So a Evangelist gets Bardic Performance and the book "Gods and Magic" states that Clerics of Iomedae can cast Good Hope as a third level spells. Does this mean my Evangelist Cleric can replace a Bard? I understand I lose out on all the other Bard goodies, but this still sounds like a great character to roleplay.
You'll still lack the skills, but gain a versatility the other Clerics can only dream about.
Yeah just wanted to make the combo. I use Performance as a bard of my level, so I guess that means at LVL 7 it becomes a swift action. This may be my next and best character ever.
Lingering Performance will let me me boost the party and cast other spells too (in 2 round increments but still huge.
It's a good character. High charisma will do good things for channeling energy too.
You'll be able to work in social skills as well.
Still not as good as a bard for buffing, but they come close. Plus roleplaying a zealot of Iomedae doesn't appeal to most. It's just one step away from Paladin-LG.
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Yeah just wanted to make the combo. I use Performance as a bard of my level, so I guess that means at LVL 7 it becomes a swift action. This may be my next and best character ever.
Lingering Performance will let me me boost the party and cast other spells too (in 2 round increments but still huge.
Uh...you do realize maintaining a Bardic Performance is a Free Action, and that you can maintain it while spellcasting, right?
Because you really can, and thus have no need of Lingering Performance to do spellcasting.
Also, it's a Move Action at 7th, not becoming Swift till 13th, just FYI.
Uh...you do realize maintaining a Bardic Performance is a Free Action, and that you can maintain it while spellcasting, right?
Because you really can, and thus have no need of Lingering Performance to do spellcasting.
Also, it's a Move Action at 7th, not becoming Swift till 13th, just FYI.
MY bad on the swift, but I don't see how someone can maintain a Performance (Oratory) while casting spells. Maybe dance or instruments, but not oratory. I try to limit myself before the DM steps in because they usually go overboard.
Bardic Performances do not interfere with spellcasting. That is a 3.5ism that was removed from PF.
MY bad on the swift, but I don't see how someone can maintain a Performance (Oratory) while casting spells. Maybe dance or instruments, but not oratory. I try to limit myself before the DM steps in because they usually go overboard.
Uh...you do realize maintaining a Bardic Performance is a Free Action, and that you can maintain it while spellcasting, right?
Because you really can, and thus have no need of Lingering Performance to do spellcasting.
Also, it's a Move Action at 7th, not becoming Swift till 13th, just FYI.
Your spell incantations become part of your Oratory, if signing maybe you incant in rhythm and time. Talking is a free action so should Oratory. Because its basically a super natural effect anyways.
Its probably more difficult if your Bardic Performance is a kickass Lute solo or something, but mechanically it works the same. Lots of ways to be creative for the way you actually invision it happening.
I don't see how someone can maintain a Performance (Oratory) while casting spells. Maybe dance or instruments, but not oratory.
It's a performance, not an oration. The Evangelist could just stand there, nodding his head with an "I'll just let that sink in"-look on his face while onlookers yell "Hallelujah" or whatever the Golarion equivalent is.
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MY bad on the swift, but I don't see how someone can maintain a Performance (Oratory) while casting spells. Maybe dance or instruments, but not oratory. I try to limit myself before the DM steps in because they usually go overboard.
It says so right in the Bardic Performance description.
Thematically, it can be seen as incorporating the verbal components into the Oratory. I mean, verbal components for a Cleric are suposed to be prayers anyway, and something like "Oh great Sarenrae bless us with your light, crown us with your glory, and smite down our enemies with your righteous flame." sure sounds like both a verbal component for a spell and an exercise in oratory to me...
A cleric is still NOT as good as a Bard at buffing???
Offensive buffs not defensive. Also you could consider the cloistered cleric if you want more skills.
A cleric is still NOT as good as a Bard at buffing???
Not necessarily true. For one thing, they get more spells than bards, and Clerics have more buff spells than bards. They also obviously have more healing resources than bards.
On the other hand, bards can buff well with their performance AND cast a spell in the same turn (at higher levels), which is something a cleric can't do. I wouldn't say bards are better at buffing than clerics, they just go about it differently.
The problem of a buffing Evangelist is that they lose the ability to spontaneously cast healing spells, and have gimped channeling. You may end up "losing" some of your spell slot to Cure X Wounds spells.
Clerics, even Iomedaen evangelists, don't get the Finale spells and the Inspiration spells, and therefore are worse for in-combat support and buffing :p
.... Sucks compared to haste
On the other hand, bards can buff well with their performance AND cast a spell in the same turn (at higher levels), which is something a cleric can't do. I wouldn't say bards are better at buffing than clerics, they just go about it differently.
The evangelist can Buff like the Bard of equal level so I'm assuming he can do it as a move action at 7 and swift at 13. Clerics of Iomedae get Good Hope as a 3rd level spell. So he is equal to the bard, has better spells, and can channel.I really don't see what the Bard is doing better other than skills.
The Bard is my favorite class, I just happened to stumble on this combo because I am going to be playing a cleric and was looking for alternative ways to play one.