Wizards and Witches and Spellbooks


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Liberty's Edge

Is there any reason a Multiclass Wizard/Witch can not have its familiar learn spells from his spellbook for his Wizard spells? I realize there is the cost issue.

Is there any reason a Wizard/Alchemist/Magus can not copy spells of a level higher than he can cast into hist Spellbook/FormulaBook? How about a Witch's Familiar learning spells of a higher level?

I have searched for a while and found nothing conclusive. If you have page references or can link to official statements regarding this that would be extra cool.


A wizard/witch can scribe a scroll and then perform the ritual where hir familiar can learn it from the scroll. A wizard/magus technically would have two spellbooks, or at least two different sections of hir spellbook, one for wizard spells, one for magus spells, and technically would have to perform the process described in the magic section of the crb to copy a wizard spell into hir spellbook as a magus spell, if it were on the magus spell list, before ze could cast it as a magus spell with spell combat and spellstrike.


graywulfe wrote:
Is there any reason a Multiclass Wizard/Witch can not have its familiar learn spells from his spellbook for his Wizard spells?

Yes. The rules don't allow it. The only way for a witch to learn new spells is by leveling up, feeding her familiar some scroll soup, or by having it commune with another witch familiar. See Adding Spells to a Witch's Familiar for details.

graywulfe wrote:
Is there any reason a Wizard/Alchemist/Magus can not copy spells of a level higher than he can cast into hist Spellbook/FormulaBook? How about a Witch's Familiar learning spells of a higher level?

Nope. As long as you can make the appropriate check, you're good. See Arcane Magical Writings for details.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
graywulfe wrote:

Is there any reason a Multiclass Wizard/Witch can not have its familiar learn spells from his spellbook for his Wizard spells? I realize there is the cost issue.

Yes, because the Witch DOES NOT LEARN SPELLS. The familliar does, despite the fact that it's the witch that makes the checks. Witchcraft and Wizardry are two very different paths despite the simmilarities. So you still have to go through the standard process.

If you were multi-classing Wizard for this reason, it's not going to work.

Liberty's Edge

LazarX wrote:
graywulfe wrote:
Is there any reason a Multiclass Wizard/Witch can not have its familiar learn spells from his spellbook for his Wizard spells? I realize there is the cost issue.

Yes, because the Witch DOES NOT LEARN SPELLS. The familliar does, despite the fact that it's the witch that makes the checks. Witchcraft and Wizardry are two very different paths despite the simmilarities. So you still have to go through the standard process.

If you were multi-classing Wizard for this reason, it's not going to work.

Reread my post, I am specifically asking about the Familiar learning.

Okay to make my concept a little more clear. I have an idea for a character for PFS that will be a member of the Shadow Lodge. One of the ways in which he will be looking out for his fellow Pathfinders is providing access to his spellbook, as most arcane casters can not learn from a familiar.

Grick wrote:

graywulfe wrote:

Is there any reason a Multiclass Wizard/Witch can not have its familiar learn spells from his spellbook for his Wizard spells?

Yes. The rules don't allow it. The only way for a witch to learn new spells is by leveling up, feeding her familiar some scroll soup, or by having it commune with another witch familiar. See Adding Spells to a Witch's Familiar for details.
graywulfe wrote:

Is there any reason a Wizard/Alchemist/Magus can not copy spells of a level higher than he can cast into hist Spellbook/FormulaBook? How about a Witch's Familiar learning spells of a higher level?

Nope. As long as you can make the appropriate check, you're good. See Arcane Magical Writings for details.

I had thought I had remembered that a Witch's Familiar could learn spells from a Wizard's spellbook. Obviously I was wrong and I should have checked the rules, but I was certain about it when I posted. Funny how a person can be certain of something and still be wrong, oh well, my bad.

Thanks for the responses. If anyone has ideas that would help the concept I am open to them.


You could not learn directly from a wizard's spellbook. The familiar can learn from scrolls, which it more or less eats (sort of like a wizard copying from a scroll, except that the familiar can exclusively learn this way).

Since wizards come with scribe scroll at level 1, they're just the most convenient to learn from, but there is no reason you can't have a magus, cleric, or even sorcerer scribe something for you, if he's got the feat. (including this alternate class being 'yourself').

A wizard can write down a spell he can't cast- but I don't believe a witch's familiar can learn one.

As a side note, all familiars talk like Beaker from the Muppets.

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