So I am working with a completely new person, trying to teach him the basics of Pathfinder and I gave him an Iphone App that has teh books on it. After reading it he told me he wants to try the Arcane Archer, because he likes 'the idea of shooting an arrow, having a bunch of illusions of it pop out and all hit the guy.'
Now I have no problem with his idea, but I don't think there is actually a spell that does that is there? Also, can you damage a person with an illusion? I know in the older editions if the believed in it they took damage with the whole mind over body idea. Does that still hold true?
I am not sure if there is a thread about this somewhere but after an hour of looking I decided to post one myself.
Thanks in advance.
In my campaigns rules are a guideline, so if it makes sense I normally run with it. I had a crossbowman sniper with a special armor. The armor allowed him to blend, displace, and have multiple images. Five multiple images, plus five more if he turned off blend and another ten if he turned off displace (or some mix like that).
If someone saw him shooting at them they would see multiple images, so if they did not disbelieve then they got damage from all of them...that was in my campaign, so I am not sure how much that helps you.
Above all else it is about fun.
Shadow Evocation is an Illusion spell that does damage. Other than that, most illusions don't physically hurt people.
Shadow Evocation is an Illusion spell that does damage. Other than that, most illusions don't physically hurt people.
Even if they don't disbelieve?
So what if you were to cast an illusion of a stone wall and have it tip over and fall on the bad guy? He would get a will save to disbelieve, but if he failed that, what would the effect on him be? Would he take non lethal damage, enough to render him unconscious, or would he take real imagined damage?
That is the question.
Most Illusions can, at best, make people think they've been hurt, but illusionary damage won't kill anybody. It might make them flee and if the GM is generous it might deal nonlethal.
I remember 3.5 had a spell that does exactly as your friend describes: legion of sentinels. It created ghostly warriors in all the squares in a 10-foot radius that could make AoOs and flank. It was the only spell the (best 3.5 base class) beguiler had that actually dealt damage I think.
It's in PHBII, but WotC failed to include how much damage they dealt (but oddly, included their saving throws) so google for errata.
OR just use Shadow Conjuration.
The Shadow Gambit feat makes some figments do damage. And there are specific illusions that do damage, like Shocking Image.
Not long ago I went into detail helping another poster with illusions. You can find it here; it might help clear some things up.
Good link! By the way, you didn't happen to get that name from bloom county did you?
I did not; I actually had to wiki Bloom County just now to find out what it was.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Shadow Evocation is an Illusion spell that does damage. Other than that, most illusions don't physically hurt people.Even if they don't disbelieve?
20% damage if they disbelieve, 20% as strong or 20% chance for additional effects of the real spell to occur.
60% for the greater version. I believe there's a meta you can take to raise that.Creatures or damage spells summoned by shadow conjuration/greater/shades do 20%,60%, and 80%, respectively and have the same % for non-damaging effects to apply.
I did not; I actually had to wiki Bloom County just now to find out what it was.
Oh, I forgot...it was a bassalope. My fault.
I'm not sure about specific help, but the 4 links i put in the bottom of this old post of mine have very good descriptions on how to run illusions in general. They are for 3.5 illusions but it still applies to pathfinder.