Ambidextrious


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It used to be a feat...what happened? If it is still usable what does it do for you? If it isn't...why?


"Handedness" isn't a factor any more. Which hand is your main hand doesn't matter. Offsetting penalties for two-weapon fighting is handled by the two-weapon feat chain.


You can hold a weapon in each hand and either of them can be your main hand. Each round you can switch it up and say this round my left hand is main.

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It's subsumed into Two-Weapon Fighting--basically, to reduce the number of feats a two-weapon wielder needs to take.

(If for some reason you want ambidexterity without two-weapon fighting, it would be balanced as a trait.)


David Schwartz wrote:

It's subsumed into Two-Weapon Fighting--basically, to reduce the number of feats a two-weapon wielder needs to take.

(If for some reason you want ambidexterity without two-weapon fighting, it would be balanced as a trait.)

Hmmm. That is an interesting take on the issue...Thank you.


Didn't the Ambidexterity feat remove all penalties for TWF though? That's not the TWF feats do. They let you attack with two weapons at a smaller penalty and make more attacks.


Azten wrote:
Didn't the Ambidexterity feat remove all penalties for TWF though? That's not the TWF feats do. They let you attack with two weapons at a smaller penalty and make more attacks.

That would be why David schwartz said "subsumed", as in ambi-lite.


ardexterity went away back in 3.5 dnd last I saw it. It was worthless and liek alot of things it had its own problems and number one of them is the number of feats you can take before lvl 20


We use a house rule for handedness...1-2 left, 3-5 right and 6 is ambi. It helps to knock down some of the negatives for two weapon fighting.


I think the idea when they got rid of it is that no one is truly 100% ambidextrous.

Everyone has a slightly dominant hand.

Like I am a right-dominant ambidextrous person. I can shoot hockey, golf, baseball, pool etc with either hand, but writing is definitely cleaner with my right, and I naturally catch right handed, though I kick with my left leg.


With me, it depends what I'm doing. Thanks to a broken arm at a young age, I still write with my right hand, but only throw with my left. Other things, like using scissors or eating, I can do equally well with both.


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In 3.0 ambidexterity was the prereq for TWF, 3.5 changed this because two feats for TWF was expensive (TWF w/Ambidexterity still had the normal -2). Ambidexterity in 3.5 was a class feature for the Tempest prestige class, which reduced and eventually eliminated all TWF penalties.


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Azten wrote:
Didn't the Ambidexterity feat remove all penalties for TWF though? That's not the TWF feats do. They let you attack with two weapons at a smaller penalty and make more attacks.

No, it didn't. The Ambidexterity feat reduced the penalty for fighting with an off hand by 4. Here's the two-weapon fighting table on page 125 of the 3.0 Player's Handbook:

3.0 Player's Handbook wrote:

(primary hand listed first, then off hand)

Normal penalties: -6 / -10
Off-hand weapon is light: -4 / -8
Ambidexterity feat: -6 / -6
Two-Weapon Fighting feat: -4 / -8
Off-hand weapon is light and Ambidexterity feat: -4 / -4
Off-hand weapon is light and Two-Weapon Fighting feat: -2 / -6
Ambidexterity feat and Two-Weapon Fighting feat: -4 / -4
Off-hand weapon is light and (both feats): -2 / -2

As you can see, with both feats you still had a -2 penalty to all attacks, which is the same as you get in 3.5 and PF with only the TWF feat. Basically, the Ambidexterity feat was an additional feat tax for TWF-ers.

By the way, the Ambidexterity feat was not a prerequisite for the TWF feat, as the poster above me suggests. TWF had no prerequisite, while Ambidexterity had a DEX 15 prerequisite.

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Ambidextrous? That is one feat tax I wont be missing!


It doesn't have to be a feat tax. If it is going to be used in Pathfinder then it would be used as a house rule, sooooo.... it may as well be used as a trait...of sorts.


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My group always used right or left dominant for character description only, it just adds more to the character background. Of course it also affects the player if they lose a hand. We had the player roll a D6 and a D12. If the D6 rolled higher, they were left handed. If both die rolls were the same, the character is ambidexterous. This was way back before 1e, so it had no affect in the game.


I will occasionally ask a player what hand is their main. Choose one.

The centaur char for instance, I believe is left handed.

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