The Hobbit movie or Why people should avoid giving their opinions on the net


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This is a post from a critic wannabee concerning
the upcoming hobbit movie on the IMDb website. He posts as Brian _ oo7

Overall, I like "Lord of the Rings." However, I do feel that Tolkien kind of rips off "Harry Potter" in many ways. There are several parallels, such as elves, dwarfs, wizards, goblins, trolls, magic (especially invisibility), etc. Sauron is referred to as “Dark Lord” just like Voldemort is. There is also the elder white-haired bearded wizard who serves almost as a mentor, Gandalf, who is reminiscent of Dumbledore. Some of the character names are similar, such as Wormtongue as opposed to Wormtail, too. There is even a gigantic spider (Shelob) at the end of "The Two Towers" that reminds one of Aragog from "Chamber of Secrets." I even noticed that the plots of both series begin with the protagonists’ birthday. Now I see that Tolkien, this unoriginal bastard, is coming out with "The Hobbit" in December. This would be fine, but why didn't he just write this book first to begin with? I still like "Lord of the Rings," though--don't get me wrong--but I wonder if Tolkien has ever said in interviews whether he borrowed elements from Harry Potter. I’ll be watching the extended DVDs later this week and I think he’s featured on the commentary track, so I look forward to that.
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading!

After being verablly abused by fellow posters and on his facebook page, he came back with this gem with my added comment in caps throughout 'cuz I don't grasp the bold thingee. Sorry!

Hello everyone, okay admittedly I feel a little stupid (FIRST THING HE SAID THAT MADE SENSE because I accused Tolkien of ripping off "Harry Potter" with regards to various elements. However, I just found out that "Lord of the Rings" actually came out before "Harry Potter." NO`! YOU DON'T SAY I don't have any apologies, though,REALLY? WHAT DOES IT TAKE? because seriously , how many people actually were aware of this? ALMOST EVEYONE WHO HAS READ THE BOOKS I also saw "The Raven" recently and was shocked to learn that Edgar Allen Poe had died not too long ago. WELL IF 1849 IS NOT TOO LONG AGO, THE SURE WHY NOT. CONDOLENCES TO YOU ON YOUR LOSS. I didn't even know this until my friend pointed this out to me after it was over. So you can never really be sure about who is ripping off who, or who is even still writing literature at any given time.

Also, it is conceivable that Tolkien might have known J.K. Rowling in some way, either directly or indirectly (via email or something) TOO BAD HE DIED IN 1973 AND ROWLING WAS 9, AND THE WORLD WIDE WEB WASN'T INVENTED YET, BUT MAYBE THEY SENT EACH OTHER TELEGRAMS....so it wouldn't be stunning that he could have gotten some plot elements from her. SURE, HE PUBLISHES A BOOK IN 1939 AND PUMPS SOMEONE NOT YER BORN FOR IDEAS.

In any case, both "Harry Potter" and "Lord of the Rings" are great series and stand alone by themselves. But anyways, getting back to the subject of this board, I had a question about "The Hobbit." Does this movie/book take place before or after "Return of the King"? Is this "Lord of the Rings" part 4, and if so, why did they wait this long to come out with the movie? YES IT IS PART FOUR. GANDALF AND BILBO GO TO HOGWARTS AND HELP SET UP THE DIFFERENT HOUSES.

To be followed by this.

Okay agreed I should have done more research about Tolkien before asking YOU BET YOU HAVE, but I just assumed he was a modern popular author like Steven King, J.K. Rowling, Ernest Hemingway DEAD, Agatha Christie DEAD, John Grisham, etc. I didn't realize that "LOTR" was such an old story AND CHRISTIE'S AND HEMMINGWAY'S ARE NOT? I do plan on getting a master's in literature eventually YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME, so I'm sure I'll learn and study more famous authors GET A HEADSTART, READ BOOKS NOW! I could have sworn I've seen interviews with Tolkien commenting on Peter Jackson's directing style and early career PARTLY RIGHT, THAT IS ROYD NOT JRR (and I also thought that he had previously written "The Godfather" books/movies as well as "Mansfield Park") PUZO... TOLKIEN... I SEE WHRE THE SIMILARITY IN THE NAMES MIGHT HAVE CONFUSED THIS BIBLIOPHILE, but obviously that must have been someone else. Sure, I should have done more research, but I try not to rely too much on Wikipedia because any moron is able to post on there. But anyways, overall, my larger point is that "LOTR" and "Harry Potter" are both well written fantasy stories

'Nough said!


Pfft. Everyone knows Tokien ripped off Wagner.

Silver Crusade

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You must be one of those people who're convinced The Wolf Man didn't rip off Stephanie Meyer's hard work.

>:(

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I imagine the guy is either a major troll, or really should consider a change in degrees.

Sovereign Court

Reminds me of a Facebook discussion between 4-5 women who decided to read the original Dracula. They spent days talking about how hard it was to read because it was in old style English. They also hated it because it wasn't nearly as good as Twilight.


I'd seen the first part before, one of my cousins posted it on Facebook.

At that time I said troll.

But stupid is also an option.

Or both.


I was going to lecture you on how that's such an obvious troll. Then I read the second two posts.

That touched so many nerves I want to scream.

Grand Lodge

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I hear that Alec Guiness makes a pretty rad Ewen McGregor impression!

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The Hobbit takes place a few decades before the events in Lord of the Rings, essentially when Old Man Bilbo is about Frodo's age in the latter set of books. (both had an extended lifespan because of the One Ring.)

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Trollolololol. He's good.

Scarab Sages

LazarX wrote:
The Hobbit takes place a few decades before the events in Lord of the Rings, essentially when Old Man Bilbo is about Frodo's age in the latter set of books. (both had an extended lifespan because of the One Ring.)

Precisely the same age, actually, from the time of departure.

In the hobbit, Bilbo is 50. 60 years later (a bit more than a few decades, eh?) they have the infamous party, when Frodo is 33. 17 years after that, Frodo leaves Bag End, making him 50.


And Neil Gaiman's Books Of Magic rip off the Harry Potter too! Gaiman said that himself!

Spoiler:
Seriously, IIRC Gaiman stated that he was accused by some poor misguided soul of plagiarising Harry Potter. When his own fans asked him about Harry Potter series he just calmly said that Mrs Rowling was just probably inspired by the same ideas about social outcasts and nerds as himself pointing to many elements common to Harry and Tim as being obvious choices for social outcast that learns magic: glasses, dark hair, comparable age, issues with parents, etc.


Brian_007, when do you think they will be able to get Ian Fleming to do an audio commentary on some of the James Bond films?

Oh, wait:
Ian Lancaster Fleming (28 May 1908 - 12 August 1964)

Dark Archive

In fact Brian 's three fathers appear in the movie


Drejk wrote:

And Neil Gaiman's Books Of Magic rip off the Harry Potter too! Gaiman said that himself!

** spoiler omitted **

When I met gaiman to get my copy of American gods autographed, this came up as well. I an others encouraged him to sue or take some kind of action. He humbly shrugged and said "we all know who came up with what first".


Well, for those of you insterested about following the animated discussion between Brian_oo7 and his hundreds of fans on the IMDb boards...... Too late!!!!! They have all been deleted by the site admin.

Gee! I wonder why? No, really! Is it because things were getting out of hand? Or did he feel pitty for the poor guy who was getting bombarded on both their site AND facebook?

Oh well, I guess I will have to look for something else to pass the time until that terrible rip-off of a movie hits the big screen in december.


Reminds me of the interwebs accusing Craig Ferguson of copying Mike Meyers Austin Powers (and doing it poorly).


If the guy was actively trolling, then he deserved to be removed. If he was actually that ignorant, then he deserved to be removed.


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Burgomeister of Troll Town wrote:
Pfft. Everyone knows Tokien ripped off Wagner.

That Wagner. Er fraß Hitlers Nüsse. Scheindhund! He stole meine Liebe Cosima.

*sniffle*

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Who does this Bram Stoker guy think he is and why does he think he can get away with basically copying Stephanie Meyer's works?


Fiendish Wilhelm Nietzsche wrote:
Burgomeister of Troll Town wrote:
Pfft. Everyone knows Tokien ripped off Wagner.

That Wagner. Er fraß Hitlers Nüsse. Scheindhund! He stole meine Liebe Cosima.

*sniffle*

What, are we not happy, Elizabeth?


Jean-Paul Sartre, Intrnet Troll wrote:
Fiendish Wilhelm Nietzsche wrote:
Burgomeister of Troll Town wrote:
Pfft. Everyone knows Tokien ripped off Wagner.

That Wagner. Er fraß Hitlers Nüsse. Scheindhund! He stole meine Liebe Cosima.

*sniffle*

What, are we not happy, Elizabeth?

His existential angst at the death of God makes joy impossible.


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You all make me nauseous.


Surrender your will to the collective. Resistance is futile.


Jean-Paul Sartre, Intrnet Troll wrote:
Fiendish Wilhelm Nietzsche wrote:
Burgomeister of Troll Town wrote:
Pfft. Everyone knows Tokien ripped off Wagner.

That Wagner. Er fraß Hitlers Nüsse. Scheindhund! He stole meine Liebe Cosima.

*sniffle*

What, are we not happy, Elizabeth?

Nein, Simone.


Invisible Kierkegaard wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre, Intrnet Troll wrote:
Fiendish Wilhelm Nietzsche wrote:
Burgomeister of Troll Town wrote:
Pfft. Everyone knows Tokien ripped off Wagner.

That Wagner. Er fraß Hitlers Nüsse. Scheindhund! He stole meine Liebe Cosima.

*sniffle*

What, are we not happy, Elizabeth?
His existential angst at the death of God makes joy impossible.

What? Did I hear something? I can't see Søren. Invisible. Just like his unattributed existentialism.

Despite all your silly criticism of my magnum opus, if it weren't for me swinging the way with the hammer, you would've never have been given the title of the father of existentialism by sparring with me. Without me, you are nihil.

Ponder that, Søren. <bops on head with hammer> Ooh. Missed. Not surprised. Because he ain't there! HAW-HA!


I do have to say, though, that Fiendish Wilhelm has the best chapter titles. Why I Am So Clever, Why I Am So Wise, Why I Write Such Good Books. I wish I had written that.


Yeah, gotta hand it to him on that... My stuff is so humble, by comparison.

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