So long as nobody tries to equate the two, Guy.
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Men are idealized... They are given all the power to face down any threat (usually through violence) and they have to look awesome doing it so other men can envy them.Just like women on fashion magazines!
I bet you think those are wonderful for women, right?
Apples and Oranges.
I have never once said "I wish I was just like a video game character". The idealization in video games isn't real just a silly fantasy and we all know it... at least I hope we all do.
So tropes for men are silly fantasy, but tropes for women are "serious business".
You can't argue men are taught by these games, and not deal with the idealized expectation put on them as well.
Having to deal with both edges of the sword causes problems with your argument is your problem, not mine.
It is, in fact, my entire issue on here. You can't be both the victim and the hero.
Full Stop there Ciretose! You are putting words in my mouth. I never said that! I think idealization of BOTH men AND women in video games is harmless make believe. It IS objectification I am saying IS BAD. Stop objectifying women and I won't have any more issues, is the message I want game makers to hear.
There are no problems in my argument. I see clearly.
"victim and hero"??? Are you still hung up on your twisted notion that she is some kind of diabolical mastermind? Heroes CAN be victimized. You know what they do when they are? They get back on their feet and continue being heroic.
Viva Anita! OHWFA!
Related to what Aranna is talking about.
Interesting video. She has some good points and I learned to look at sexual attraction a bit differently. The main thing that stood out to me: We aren't using the same definition of objectification, she is talking purely about sexual attraction and it's costs, I am talking about elimination of a woman's right to be her own agent in life.
I am talking about elimination of a woman's right to be her own agent in life.
Which, right now, is the bigger problem. :(
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Women are equally idealized, are you implying that women can not desire men or that women can't envy female characters for their outstanding looks?
Men are idealized... They are given all the power to face down any threat (usually through violence) and they have to look awesome doing it so other men can envy them.Can you see the huge difference? I hope so.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7290-Objectificati on-And-Men
Explains it better than I could.
Is your real name Jim Sterling?
You love linking his work. He has it mostly right though so I shouldn't complain.
He kinda reminds me of Rush Limbaugh in a video game way.
I just have problems trying to put my thoughts into words for a subject like this so I prefer to link to someoene who shares my thoughts and can word it better.
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Totally asking for it... the poor dear.From a financial perspective, the death threats were a stroke of massive luck for her, considering the attention they brought. An unprincipled person could have faked such comments for the economic bottom line. Lucky she is not such a person.Lucky her . . .
To be quite honest with you I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who would end their life because someone made fun of them. On the internet or otherwise.
ONE of them is a gang rape, which is terrible, yes.
But you know what tickles the s*!& out of me, the article lists her as being "yet another tragic case of cyber bullying."
As if THAT was in any way important to the case.
As heartless as it may sound, at least half of these were brought about at indirectly because of these kids' choices as well. I'm sorry, but while it doesn't excuse the rape, hanging around with a group of drunk, high people at a party and then getting drunk or high yourself is NOT A SMART MOVE.
As well, I find the whole notion of "cyber bullying" silly in the extreme to begin with, because shock of all shocks, it's quite easy to ignore people online. Close the window, see nothing.
And yet it's all the time touted as being somehow leagues worse than IRL bullying, which also has the potential for physical violence.
But whatever. Continue holding these people up as some kind of martyrs for a cause if you'd like.
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Men are idealized... They are given all the power to face down any threat (usually through violence) and they have to look awesome doing it so other men can envy them.Just like women on fashion magazines!
I bet you think those are wonderful for women, right?
Apples and Oranges.
I have never once said "I wish I was just like a video game character". The idealization in video games isn't real just a silly fantasy and we all know it... at least I hope we all do.
So tropes for men are silly fantasy, but tropes for women are "serious business".
You can't argue men are taught by these games, and not deal with the idealized expectation put on them as well.
Having to deal with both edges of the sword causes problems with your argument is your problem, not mine.
It is, in fact, my entire issue on here. You can't be both the victim and the hero.
Full Stop there Ciretose! You are putting words in my mouth. I never said that! I think idealization of BOTH men AND women in video games is harmless make believe. It IS objectification I am saying IS BAD. Stop objectifying women and I won't have any more issues, is the message I want game makers to hear.
There are no problems in my argument. I see clearly.
"victim and hero"??? Are you still hung up on your twisted notion that she is some kind of diabolical mastermind? Heroes CAN be victimized. You know what they do when they are? They get back on their feet and continue being heroic.
Mastermind, yes. Diabolical, no. She did a great job.
But you are absolutely full of it when you try and say that the impossibly idealized hero figure (generally male) who must always risk personal harm to "save" the "weak" regardless of logic or reason, and generally through violence isn't a negative effect trope in the same vein (if not worse than) the damsel in distress.
And you saying "I have never once said "I wish I was just like a video game character"." completely ignored the fact that the game exists for the user to PRETEND TO BE THE HERO IN THE GAME.
If you have "never once said "I wish I was just like a video game character"." than you were the only child in the history of mankind who did pretend to be a hero growing up.
Need I link to Cosplay?
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You know Anita Sarkeesian makes an interesting point about that in second damsel's in distress video, somewhere at the 21 minute mark I believe.
You can't argue men are taught by these games, and not deal with the idealized expectation put on them as well.
I'm sure she does. She is a very intelligent woman.
I just personally don't really think a focus on tropes in video games is very interesting watching, and I find her style...well...boring.
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Locking thread. Making light of abuse—mental, physical, sexual, verbal, online, or offline—is uncalled for and won't be tolerated.