So i have a player playing a rogue. he takes the minor magic feat and chooses acid orb for the spell.
He then attempts to use the acid orb spell as a ranged touch sneak attack getting benefits from both flat footed and touch attack benefit (effectively 10 + size and deflection)
I dont see any reason this would NOT work excpet it seems a bit RAW > RAI
just wondering if there is any known rulings on this kind of situation.
nor really looking to nerf it. just understand it.
So i have a player playing a rogue. he takes the minor magic feat and chooses acid orb for the spell.
He then attempts to use the acid orb spell as a ranged touch sneak attack getting benefits from both flat footed and touch attack benefit (effectively 10 + size and deflection)
I dont see any reason this would NOT work excpet it seems a bit RAW > RAI
just wondering if there is any known rulings on this kind of situation.
nor really looking to nerf it. just understand it.
That's basically how the arcane trickster works. I thought minor magics was just a single cast though?
its limited. forget how many but something like 3 casts per day.
You can sneak attack anything with an attack role that does not deal splash damage. Arcane trickster allows thing like magic missile or fireball to be a sneak attack.
I don't see the problem. It's 100% RAW and RAI. Are the other players complaining about this? Do they feel like their characters are useless when they are compared to the Rogue? There's a lot of people around here who believe that the Rogue is the less powerful class in Pathfinder, so I would not worry about it to much.
If your DM allows it, you can use the Quicken Spell-like Ability feat at like 9th level to quicken your minor magic Acid Orb. Makes you really want to win initiative or use Invis potions (or maybe take major magic [Vanish]).
Im the GM.
I told the player to go for it and let me research it a bit.
the character is a big damage dealer for the party because he took knife master and sneak attacks with D8s.
the question that came up was actually 2 fold.
1) can you sneak attack with a spell. which to be honest i found clever and acceptable but wanted to understand the ruling on it.
2) should he deal d4 damage because its not a knife or D6 damage because its not a "weapon" at all?
First, it's a weapon-like spell. Attack and damage rolls see to that.
Second, yes, the sneak attack damage should be a d4 since Acid Splash is not a knife.
|
1) can you sneak attack with a spell. which to be honest i found clever and acceptable but wanted to understand the ruling on it.
2) should he deal d4 damage because its not a knife or D6 damage because its not a "weapon" at all?
1) Don't forget that Acid Splash has a Verbal component. If you follow the book's guideline that spells are cast in a bold voice. If the target hears the spell being cast, I would make the Rogue make another stealth roll.
2) Acid Splash is not a knife or dagger, so it would be 1d4 for the sneak attack dice for a Knife Master Rogue.
1) can you sneak attack with a spell. which to be honest i found clever and acceptable but wanted to understand the ruling on it.
2) should he deal d4 damage because its not a knife or D6 damage because its not a "weapon" at all?
1) Don't forget that Acid Splash has a Verbal component. If you follow the book's guideline that spells are cast in a bold voice. If the target hears the spell being cast, I would make the Rogue make another stealth roll.
2) Acid Splash is not a knife or dagger, so it would be 1d4 for the sneak attack dice for a Knife Master Rogue.
Spell-like abilities do not have verbal, somatic, focus or material components. Link
Minor Magic is an SLA, not a spell. Because of this, it does not have casting components.
1) can you sneak attack with a spell. which to be honest i found clever and acceptable but wanted to understand the ruling on it.
2) should he deal d4 damage because its not a knife or D6 damage because its not a "weapon" at all?
1) Don't forget that Acid Splash has a Verbal component. If you follow the book's guideline that spells are cast in a bold voice. If the target hears the spell being cast, I would make the Rogue make another stealth roll.
2) Acid Splash is not a knife or dagger, so it would be 1d4 for the sneak attack dice for a Knife Master Rogue.
1. SLA' don't have verbal components.
2. Sneak attack dice always use d6, and they never default to the base damage of the weapon or spell delivering them unless specifically stated, and to my knowledge no weapon or weapon-like ability makes that happen.
concerro: The Knife Master archetype modifies the Sneak Attack dice selection.
|
|
Spell-like abilities do not have verbal, somatic, focus or material components. Link
I stand corrected. :)