Summoned creatures disappear when slain -- or when the duration goes up. You won't get any nutrition from eating summoned creatures.
You are thinking of calling creatures and even then you are looking at:
Magic Circle costing 500gp for the circle and a check.
Dimensional anchor to stop the creature from just jumping out.
And finally Planar Binding (of some flavor) to just get the creature there.
So you are eating a third, fourth and fifth level spell for dinner.
Also crossing into the circle leaves yourself open to attacks as well -- which is probably not a good idea.
Small note, if a caster is casting DEFENSIVELY, and the spell takes a full round action to complete, then if he gets attacked multiple times, is the DC still 15+spell level or....?
Casting defensively stops you provoking AOOs - it doesn't save you having to make concentration checks from any damage you take from other causes.
On a small off-casting note, if a fighter uses a full attack action, that means it's a full round action wasting his next round's standard action. Does that mean that next round the fighter can only use a move action?
A full-round action does not impact a character's next round of actions.
Again -- summon monster does not work that way:
Summoning: a summoning spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place you designate. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from, but a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this. A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower, but it is not really dead. It takes 24 hours for the creature to reform, during which time it can't be summoned again.
When the spell that summoned a creature ends and the creature disappears, all the spells it has cast expire. A summoned creature cannot use any innate summoning abilities it may have.
Eating him alive will make his hp drop to 0 or lower meaning he is now dead and he disappears from the prime material completely.
Also you don't use circles to control summoned monsters -- they can't teleport or even attack you. You give the order to stand there and do nothing and that's what happens. You can't even really kill the creature since it's not really dead simply reforming for 24 hours.
IF you really want to eat it you need planar binding, and in order to prevent its escape from planar binding you need dimensional anchor and magic circle.
EDIT:
Small note, if a caster is casting DEFENSIVELY, and the spell takes a full round action to complete, then if he gets attacked multiple times, is the DC still 15+spell level or....?
Each time he is attacked he makes another concentration check, but he only provokes an AoO on the action he starts casting the spell.
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Yeah if you are wanting it to eat something rare/powerful you would need to go the planar binding route....
If you are just looking for food the cheapest way is:
1- Get a cow (or whatever you want to eat)
2- Kill it
3- Eat it until it is stripped right down to the bones
4- Cast Restore Corpse (1st level spell) to turn the skeleton into a corpse with (rotting) meat on it. Remove rotting flesh.
5- Cast Purify Food & Drink on the flesh (0 lvl spell) now you have nice edible meat.
6- Repeat as neccesary.
Regarding the original question: imagine going into your back yard and burning your dog alive in order to make dog meat steaks. I'm not saying "your culture thinks dogs are OK to eat; kill the dog and then cook it." I'm saying burn your dog alive.
Offended? Think only a sick person would suggest a thing? That's what your character is doing. Neutral characters (who could summon a Celestial creature) have "normal" person morality. Most human beings have a serious problem with anything except a lobster going into a pot while it's alive.
Yes, the character is torturing a creature to get his food. Why should the celestial creature allow itself to be eaten alive? If it has animal intelligence, it can neither understand nor appreciate the situation. If it is sapient, you have stepped up into trying to eat a person. Just because it is not a PC race does not mean it exists in the game world just to be a resource to be exploited. No intelligent being is going to consent to that.
There is no way this character is a good or neutral character and should not be allowed to summon a creature with the Celestial template. In only the most extreme and perverse of circumstances could you justify this action. Unless you guys are reenacting Alive on Golarion, no.
Rules-wise, there's no rule about what would happen to the flesh of a summoned creature that has been separated from its body. If you summoned a fiendish dog, grappled it, and started biting chunks of its flesh, there's no rule about what happens when it dies to any dog-blood that was spilled or dog-meat you ripped out. That's up to DM interpretation. In my games, pieces a creature loses do remain as evidence it was there, though the creature is restored on its home plane. I sure as hell would have the dog bite back - nothing in the description of Summon Monster says it can't defend itself if you lash out at it. (The precedent in my game is that injured Summoned Monsters do leave blood trails - and that's been used in a few mysteries.) I'd also have the dog's owner be VERY PISSED OFF about what you did to it. Even bad guys love their dogs. Fluff-wise, it does fit the fantasy tropes of summoning magic being a "bargain" of sorts, with implicit, unstated rules a careless magician can run afoul of.
I am a jerk like that.
As for Calling, the Planar Ally spells are answered by an intelligent being agrees to aid you in exchange for payment. The being serves your deity or matches your alignment. Again, using an intelligent creature for snacks? You're going to be asking a demon to eat it.
Good luck with that.
Divine casters get a creature at the behest of their deity. Assault your deity's servants whom you are summoning off their home plane? Good luck remaining a -caster-.
Arcane casters do the whole circle-and-so-on. Source PF never explicitly gave rules about attacks and the likes penetrating the circle, though the classic interpretation from earlier editions of D&D and fantasy fiction is that the slightest disturbance of the circle breaks the ward. I'd rule even a thrown pebble breaks the ward, but this one is GM's discretion. The circle is usually inscribed with powder, so it's not exactly stable.
In any case, Create Food and Water is only a 3rd level spell -- and also a cheaper and much less disgusting option than what is being discussed in this thread.
The Doc writes that "Most human beings have a serious problem with anything except a lobster going into a pot while it's alive."
This is true in modern western society, but historically I think it has not been true in many (probably most) cultures.
I think I'd prefer one of StreamOfTheSky's Prestidigitation-cookies...
The Doc writes that "Most human beings have a serious problem with anything except a lobster going into a pot while it's alive."
This is true in modern western society, but historically I think it has not been true in many (probably most) cultures.
It is uncommon and the exception, with only a few arthropods and shellfish really commonly eaten alive or raw. Most animals humans consume are not safe for us to jam our rather useless jaws into. Our cousin primates certainly kill before eating meat, and really...just try biting a rabbit. Hope you get to keep your eyes.
Also, it's extremely rare to judge characters in an RPG by standards of the past, so I would not see the relevance of past societies which broke the pattern. Most ancient societies did not consider rape a serious crime. Most ancient societies had little to no qualms about sexism, racism, slavery, grotesque abuses of powers by despots, human sacrifice, the extermination or ransom of prisoners of war, or any other number of atrocities. Medieval Europeans had lovely entertainments such as headbutting cats to death, raping people put in the stocks, and so on. A historical knight was a lot more like an Afghan warlord than an idealistic crusader.
We're modern folks telling a modern game from a modern point of view in a pulp-fantasy vein. The ethical stances of past real world societies are pretty much irrelevant to a fantasy setting.
Eating meat (especially salt water sea creatures) raw is actually fairly common in many cultures. Eating meat alive is virtually unknown -- and that has very little to do with what we do to the creature before we eat it, as in the cited case of a lobster being cooked alive.
On the full round action thing, I was just curious what this meant:
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/combat.html#start-complete-full-round-ac tionI assumed it meant it was for full attacks, but reading it again I see it's not. What IS that full round action for?
Start/Complete Full-Round Action
The “start full-round action” standard action lets you start undertaking a full-round action, which you can complete in the following round by using another standard action. You can't use this action to start or complete a full attack, charge, run, or withdraw.
The most relevant example I can think of for what this means is that a wizard can move and begin to case a 1-round spell, and in his next round complete the spell and move again. Note that your earlier example/question regarding a fighter using full attack is specifically noted as not being applicable in this circumstance.
Also, it's extremely rare to judge characters in an RPG by standards of the past, so I would not see the relevance of past societies which broke the pattern. Most ancient societies did not consider rape a serious crime. Most ancient societies had little to no qualms about sexism, racism, slavery, grotesque abuses of powers by despots, human sacrifice, the extermination or ransom of prisoners of war, or any other number of atrocities. Medieval Europeans had lovely entertainments such as headbutting cats to death, raping people put in the stocks, and so on. A historical knight was a lot more like an Afghan warlord than an idealistic crusader.
I'd allow the eating of summoned creatures. As messed up as it sounds, I'd allow it, but the character must a) immobilize/paralyze it without killing it, then b) separate the piece they want to eat.
If they then eat that piece, then a roll for disease/poison needs to be made. If they use a fire to cook it/sear it, then yes, a modifier applies.The group I run actually uses 'Historic Standards', particularly 'Social and Natural Selection/Darwinism' (If it can't/won't effectively fight you, then it can be exploited!)
Still, the group finds it easier to do the following:
Get and kill an enemy, (Orc/Goblin/livestock/wolf/kobold/bugbear/ex-GF or whatever you want to eat), strip all the meat from it's bones.
Then they "Cast Restore Corpse" (1st level spell) to turn the skeleton into a corpse with (rotting) meat on it. Remove rotting flesh.
cast Purify Food & Drink" on the flesh, rinse, repeat.
One stop, the party actually used the process on the Baron no less, after the Baron said that the party could "take what you need"...
Then they also Took his daughter, and she has been with the party ever since. (Crazy B**** fell for our noble-born rogue, and so wanted to avoid an arranged marriage)