Does a Pistolero need to Dual Wield to be an Effective Damage Dealer?

[Prospector]

I was recently reading a lot of the posts about the Gunslinger archetype Pistolero and all of them seem to revolve around dual wielding (and the various tricks of reloading 2 guns). I'm curious if one could build an effective Pistolero who only used one pistol in an era that doesn't have advanced firearms available. So does anyone know of a good build that only uses one pistol?

[blackbloodtroll]

Combine it with a scimitar, the dervish dancer feat, and weapon cords.

[Prospector]

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, I was looking for more only using the pistol. No dual wielding at all. More in line with those fictional heroes that only used one pistol and made every shot count (Vash the Stampede, Train Heartnet, etc).

[Lobolusk]

DBL barrel pistol rapid shot deadly aim and Mysterious Pistolero

[blackbloodtroll]

Moonlight Stalker using tiefling Pistolero.

[Prospector]

Sounds interesting, though I thought you couldn't combine Mysterious Stranger and Pistolero since they both change Gun Training. And I heard a lot of people bashing Mysterious Strangers reduced damage potential.

Edit: blackbloodtroll what about for society play or only core races games?

[Lobolusk]

Prospector wrote:

Sounds interesting, though I thought you couldn't combine Mysterious Stranger and Pistolero since they both change Gun Training. And I heard a lot of people bashing Mysterious Strangers reduced damage potential.

Edit: blackbloodtroll what about for society play or only core races games?

If you look closely at pistolero you will see BY RAW that it doesn't change pistol training. Mysterious Stranger does.

[blackbloodtroll]

I am not as schooled in PFS. Lobolusk has got a good one there.

[Prospector]

So they still haven't fixed that yet? I would have thought that they would have errata'd that by now. Lobolusk, know if anyone has has good build out there of it that I could look at? I know kinda want to make one for PFS now. I currently without a group and PFS is the only way to get my RPG fix for now.

[Prospector]

Would something like this work? I got the feats from Duskblades take the Pistolero, found here (http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz4ow3?A-New-Take-On-The-GunslingerPistolero).

Human Mysterious Pistolero

Stats: Str 10, Dex 18 (+2 Racial), Con 10, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 14

1. Deadly Aim, Point-Blank Shot
3. Rapid Reload
4. Rapid Shot
5. Precise Shot
7. Weapon Focus
8. Snap Shot
9. Improved Snap Shot
11. Signature Deed (Up Close and Deadly)
12. Combat Reflexes

Skills to be Advanced: Acrobatics, Craft(Alchemy)[1 rank], Intimidate, Knowledges(Local), Perception, Stealth

Does this look good? Should I look at other feats for 7-12?

[Lobolusk]

Prospector wrote:

Would something like this work? I got the feats from Duskblades take the Pistolero, found here (http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz4ow3?A-New-Take-On-The-GunslingerPistolero).

Human Mysterious Pistolero

Stats: Str 10, Dex 18 (+2 Racial), Con 10, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 14

1. Deadly Aim, Point-Blank Shot
3. Rapid Reload
4. Rapid Shot
5. Precise Shot
7. Weapon Focus
8. Snap Shot
9. Improved Snap Shot
11. Signature Deed (Up Close and Deadly)
12. Combat Reflexes

Skills to be Advanced: Acrobatics, Craft(Alchemy)[1 rank], Intimidate, Knowledges(Local), Perception, Stealth

Does this look good? Should I look at other feats for 7-12?

I have never done FPS

but my build is here , it was made by MERGY and we started 2 handed but then went to one pistol. to preserve Swift actions.
the basic feats I took are all of the standard feats for ranged , point blank shot and do forth I also took Snap shot.

MY BUILD.

[Prospector]

That looks to be a fun build. Unfortunately Gun Archetypes aren't available in PFS. You do a 20-point build. If you want to use a gun you need to dip into Gunslinger. I'm looking to go full gunslinger if possible. My other idea was the same feats but different stats & skills and only Pistolero:

Stats: Str 10, Dex 18 (+2 Racial), Con 12, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 08
Skills to be Advanced: Acrobatics, Craft(Alchemy)[1 rank], Knowledge(Local), Perception, Stealth, Survival

Do you think that this would be a better build?

Edit: I also wish I could pick up Ricochet Shot. Sound like a fun feat/deed. Oh, and the the level cap is 12 in PFS.

[blackbloodtroll]

Archetypes aren't allowed in PFS?

[GM Kyle]

News to me.

[Prospector]

Archetypes are, just not the ones that give other classes besides Gunslingers guns.

[blackbloodtroll]

You can still use multiclass for more oomph.

[cnetarian]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Archetypes aren't allowed in PFS?

not for gunslingers on the 5/23 list but that is modified with some regularity.

[Prospector]

What do you recommend then to give the 2 builds more 'oomph'?

[Chengar Qordath]

cnetarian wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Archetypes aren't allowed in PFS?

not for gunslingers on the 5/23 list but that is modified with some regularity.

Not seeing anything in there that bans all the gunslinger archetypes.

[cnetarian]

Chengar Qordath wrote:

cnetarian wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Archetypes aren't allowed in PFS?

not for gunslingers on the 5/23 list but that is modified with some regularity.

Not seeing anything in there that bans all the gunslinger archetypes.

You're right. I ought to read that page more often myself, it does change.

[spalding]

Interestingly enough two levels of monk can go really well with gunslinger -- you can grab dodge and mobility so that you have access to deft shootist faster and since the gunslinger likes wisdom (as does the monk) you're alright on that too. If you don't really want to take a lot of wisdom you can go with the Sohei archetype and gain a bonus to initiative as well as the act in surprise rounds ability. The bonuses on saves don't hurt either.

[Prospector]

Monk sounds like a good potential dip. Is Deft Shootist worth it? I know your'e supposed to avoid close combat as much as possible. I also really like the flare of the Ricochet Shot Deed, but is it worth it? Or pursuing the snap shot chain better since PFS is only to lvl 12?

[spalding]

Pistols leave you pretty close to the action -- for that reason I still like deft shootist. If you were a musket guy you could probably avoid it.

[Cpt Jason]

Snap shot is the way to go. The build you came up with will be a damage powerhouse. I personally do not like going after Deft Shootist, I would rather take a step back and get my full attack action AND lightning reload at 12 pretty much gives you it for free.
If you are not going paladin too though I would just stick with pistoler, dex to damage pays off big at level 5. I went from doing nothing to pulling over 80damage on a full attack, given that I did crit and I am using a double barrel pistol

[spalding]

Cpt Jason wrote:

Snap shot is the way to go. The build you came up with will be a damage powerhouse. I personally do not like going after Deft Shootist, I would rather take a step back and get my full attack action AND lightning reload at 12 pretty much gives you it for free.

If you are not going paladin too though I would just stick with pistoler, dex to damage pays off big at level 5. I went from doing nothing to pulling over 80damage on a full attack, given that I did crit and I am using a double barrel pistol

lightning reload is once a round.

[Prospector]

The only problem I see is at lvl 12 you retire your character and can only bring it out for special events. Should I re-order the feats to be able to pull off the Snap Shot chain sooner? Or pursue something different (ie I can do before 12) since I will only be able to pull it off once the character retires?

[8 Red Wizards]

You need to Dual Wield Pistols to be awesome, but since it touch AC in the first increment does the -2 really hurt much.

[Prospector]

8 Red Wizards wrote:

You need to Dual Wield Pistols to be awesome, but since it touch AC in the first increment does the -2 really hurt much.

I'd prefer not if possible since it doesn't fit the image in my head of the character. Plus then I would have to get creative with reloading. Thanks for the input though.

[Protoman]

Abraham spalding wrote:

Cpt Jason wrote:

Snap shot is the way to go. The build you came up with will be a damage powerhouse. I personally do not like going after Deft Shootist, I would rather take a step back and get my full attack action AND lightning reload at 12 pretty much gives you it for free.

If you are not going paladin too though I would just stick with pistoler, dex to damage pays off big at level 5. I went from doing nothing to pulling over 80damage on a full attack, given that I did crit and I am using a double barrel pistol

lightning reload is once a round.

I think the "once a round" part only applies if the character doesn't already have Rapid Reload or alch. cartridge and limited to swift actions.

Quote:

Lightning Reload (Ex): At 11th level, as long as the gunslinger has at least 1 grit point, she can reload a single barrel of a one-handed or two-handed firearm as a swift action once per round. If she has the Rapid Reload feat or is using an alchemical cartridge (or both), she can reload a single barrel of the weapon as a free action each round instead. Furthermore, using this deed does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

[Veldebrand]

Abraham,

Is there a way for monk to get mobility at level 2?