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Improved Trip
Greater Trip
Power Attack.. can you trip a guy than use power attack when making an opportunity attack?
No. Tripping a guy is an attack, and thus you would need to use power attack from the start.
-James
Yes, you can.
Power Attack is an ability you may switch at any moment before doing an attack roll, lasting until your next round.So you can strike a guy down and power attack on your next attack - you'll just get the penalty and benefits of power attack rolls until the beginning of your next round.
No. Tripping a guy is an attack, and thus you would need to use power attack from the start.
-James
The wording of Power Attack changed in Pathfinder. In 3.5, it specified that you had to declare Power Attack before you rolled any attack roll in that round.
On your action, before making attack rolls for a round, you may choose to subtract a number from all melee attack rolls and add the same number to all melee damage rolls. This number may not exceed your base attack bonus. The penalty on attacks and bonus on damage apply until your next turn.
That wording is not in Pathfinder, so nothing stops someone from making an attack without Power Attack, then activating Power Attack and making a second attack.
You must choose to use this feat before making an attack roll, and its effects last until your next turn.
Nothing about needing to activate it before your first attack roll, just that it needs to be activated before an attack roll.
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It has been answered, and the answer is yet that you can activate it whenever you want, as long as you do it as part of an attack roll and you are ready to suck the feat until the beginning of your next round.
So yes, you could even do it on the last attack of a full-round attack, and it would apply to eventual attacks of opportunity made before your next round.
EDIT : Let's hear it from a better source than myself.
Read the link, ImperatorK.
My lawyer would say that "before making an attack roll" is different than "during any attack roll". "before making an attack roll" mean that the moment you do an attack roll you get disqualifyed for using that feat for the current round. Anyway, if SK say it should work that way, really don't see any point arguing aside from nothing that once again the writing skills at paizo seems to fail yet again.
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Power Attack is an on/off switch decision made on your turn every round, and also applies to AOO's.
The penalty would apply to your trip attempt, but not to your damage roll unless you have some ability letting you roll damage with a trip.
I agree with you that it's an on/off switch, but as the developers have already stated, it does not have to be turned on at the start of your turn.
Take your first attack, fell the opponent; you five-foot step to another opponent who you know has DR and turn on Power Attack to punch through it for your remaining iterative attacks.
I would agree if not for what I've experienced so far.
Then what difference would it make if it were official FAQ/errata? It's the same people making the decision.
If you don't like the ruling, ignore it.
What difference does it make what they intended? If you're the GM, go with what you intended.
So make house rules. Don't, however, recite them as gospel truth on the rules forum.Because devs never make mistakes and are always right. /sarcasm
I'd rather go with what I think then what he or you think, thank you very much.SKR's opinion doesn't make it RAW. I make no houserules.
Address my argument instead of hiding behind irrelevant opinions.
Everybody makes house rules. It's a requirement of the game.
Nothing in the feat itself says you have to activate it at the beginning of your turn. The developer quote admits there is nothing preventing you from activating it later in your turn.
Yes, the feat says "all attacks take a penalty to hit, and gain a bonus on damage." That does not mean every single attack in the round. It only applies to attacks made after activating power attack.
Maybe is bad wording, and the change was unintended. But the way the feat is written in Pathfinder, it allows you to activate it before any attack, not just the first attack in a round.
Or for pure-cheezy-funtimes.
A Trip is not an attack, it is a Combat Maneuver.
Trip
You can attempt to trip your opponent in place of a melee attack.
In place of...
Power Attack (Combat)You must choose to use this feat before making an attack roll, and its effects last until your next turn. The bonus damage does not apply to touch attacks or effects that do not deal hit point damage.
Attack roll.
So as long as I use the Trip BEFORE making any other attacks I haven't made an 'attack roll' only a Combat Maneuver check. If I have attacked THEN trip maybe not so much.
Attack roll.So as long as I use the Trip BEFORE making any other attacks I haven't made an 'attack roll' only a Combat Maneuver check. If I have attacked THEN trip maybe not so much.
Except as I quoted above:
When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects. These bonuses must be applicable to the weapon or attack used to perform the maneuver. The DC of this maneuver is your target's Combat Maneuver Defense. Combat maneuvers are attack rolls, so you must roll for concealment and take any other penalties that would normally apply to an attack roll.
It is an attack roll. Attempting to use any combat maneuver is an attack roll.
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Trip is an attack roll.
For lots of fun with a TWFing ranger and his tripping animal companion, menacing weapon and teamwork feats, try Dazing Assault, only activating it on your attacks of opportunity. Normal full-round attack on your round, and Dazing attacks at your best BAB -5 in-between.
Oh I'd laugh at anyone trying it too, but I figure as the conversation was on I'd bring along some cheeze dip for the argument.
As it is, I read SKR's rules explanation and I have to agree with him that the rules are the way he says they are. They don't line up with how I thought they should/did play out, but thats my problem - 'the RAW is the RAW', not 'the RAW is what I reckon' :)