How does this work is it possible?
No point really the blind creature already loses dex to AC so why would you waste of a move action unless there is something I am missing.
It's a swift for me
They got tremor sense and blind sight
Feinting does not require that the opponent be able to see you (though most of the time if they cannot, feinting is rather pointless). You would resolve your feint as normal.
If they have tremor-sense, then they are not really blind :) You would feint with a stomp or something like that.
Blind target = loss of dexterity (amongst other things)
Feint = loss of dexterity
Thus, feinting a truly blind target is pointless as Jackalope stated.
Blindsense = denied dexterity bonus
Tremorsense = no such statement (although I thought it worked like blindsense I cannot find the text to support this)
Blindsight = full alternate sight
Feinting against blindsense = pointless but against blindsight or tremorsense it has a purpose.
- Gauss
Blind target = loss of dexterity (amongst other things)
Feint = loss of dexterityThus, feinting a truly blind target is pointless as Jackalope stated.
Blindsense = denied dexterity bonus
Tremorsense = no such statement (although I thought it worked like blindsense I cannot find the text to support this)
Blindsight = full alternate sightFeinting against blindsense = pointless but against blindsight or tremorsense it has a purpose.
- Gauss
Thank you I will attempt to point this out to my GM. Is there a place in a book I can reference to.
This is how it's currently being played out creature is blind but has blindsense you don't get sneak unless flanked or flat-footed. Never thought that because it is blind it would automatically be denied its dexterity bonus. Also blindsight and tremorsense was not allowing me to use my Feint. GM is under the impresstion thhat common vision is the key factor in Feint attempts.
Nah Feint works fine, even against tremorsense/blindsight.
The idea is that it is a fenit, you are drawing their attention one way to create an opening, yet your true intention is to move at the last second etc and do something else.
A 'blind opponent' might be misled by your footfalls whatever.
Anytime something is denied its dexterity bonus it is subject to a sneak attack. This is one of the major methods for sneak attacks.
Page298 of the bestiary states that creatures using blindsense still have total concealment penalties against anyone it is attacking thus a 50% miss chance. Additionally it also states that a creature using blindsense loses its dexterity vs creatures it cannot see.
Example: A bat has both blindsense and sight. In darkness though it cannot see so uses blindsense. However, that still means it is blind vs creatures because while it can identify the square the target is in it cannot actually see the target.
- Gauss
There is a big difference between blindsight and blindsense, check the Bestiary Chapter called Universal Monster Rules.
You don't need to feint a creature with Blindsense, but you do have to use it against a creature with Blindsight.