Which Game...? Rules for Underwater Cities, etc

[He Who Seeks Opinions]

Looking to add an Underwater City to my Kingmaker. Anyone suggest any good Rules Settings (D20) for it? Even 2nd Edition might work. Any Good Book Suggestions?

Thanks

[Caedwyr]

You want Cerulean Seas from Alluria Publishing

This book covers everything you've mentioned in your opening post and possibly more. The attention to detail is amazing, and the quality of the material is very high (higher than Paizo). Images are very good. I believe it can also be purchased over at DriveThruRPG as a PDF or print-on-demand paper copy.

[He Who Seeks Opinions]

thx i will look in to it

[Caedwyr]

I ran across another source (3.5) that might have some useful info. I believe it's called Dead Man's Chest by Necromancer Games. From what I've seen, there's some overlap with the Cerulean Seas product, but it appears to have a bit more of an above-water focus.

Amazon Link.

It may also be available in PDF format from Frog God Games or Necromancer Games.

[Christina Stiles]

I suggest getting Sunken Empires from Open Design (by Brandon Hodge) to help run such a game.

[Caedwyr]

I knew I was forgetting one. Yeah, I've heard Sunken Empires is a good underwater book.

[Endzeitgeist]

Sunken Empires is a GREAT sourcebook, especially for any kind of Atlantis/sunken civilization-vibe.

[Caedwyr]

How do Sunken Empires and Cerulean Seas compare? Do they largely overlap, or are they more complementary? Any strengths/weaknesses in one or the other?

[Endzeitgeist]

I'd consider them complimentary - Sunken Empires features a lot on psuedo-atlentean, Orichalcum-style items, strange ruins and the like, whereas CS is more of a campaign setting/crunch-book. I'd consider CS the CORE-rules of undersea-adventuring, whereas SE is both more interesting for briefer sojourns and as a kind of gazetteer. I wouldn't want to miss either. CS gave me rules for a whole campaign, SE gave me ideas for a whole campaign. Hope that helps. I did write a review for SE and it made my top-10-of2010-list (which is in Pathways #1), if that helps.

Cheers!

[Caedwyr]

Thanks. I've read both your reviews, but until now didn't really have a solid feel for the distinction between the two. It's nice to hear that the books are fairly complementary and not contradictory.

[The 8th Dwarf]

ChristinaStiles wrote:

I suggest getting Sunken Empires from Open Design (by Brandon Hodge) to help run such a game.

If you want to add an excellent side trek to your game - Brandon's From "Shore to Sea" is one of the best Pathfinder Modules ever released.