The Hound Archon is not really capable of being an improvised weapon...
A better solution would be to just have the cleric align the barbarian's current weapon.
Reading the archon description, not even their own natural weapons count as aligned.
Compare to a demon--in the demon subtype entry, it notes:
A demon's natural weapons, as well as any weapon it wields, is treated as chaotic and evil for the purpose of resolving damage reduction
An archon has no such clause, neither in the subtype description nor specifically under the hound archon statblock.
So, if an archon cannot normally count his own weapons as lawful and good, I wouldn't count attacking with an archon as lawful or good either, sadly. :( But that's just my call.
And while it IS a fun idea, I can see people pulling stunts with summon monster and attacking with celestial creatures all the time, which could get old.
However, if the GM is sufficiently amused by the proposal, anything is possible. :)
I would say GM's Call. It's weapons and Natural Weapons are considered Both Lawful and Good.
PRD
Some monsters are vulnerable to good-, evil-, chaotically, or lawfully aligned weapons. When a cleric casts align weapon, affected weapons might gain one or more of these properties, and certain magic weapons have these properties as well. A creature with an alignment subtype (chaotic, evil, good, or lawful) can overcome this type of damage reduction with its natural weapons and weapons it wields as if the weapons or natural weapons had an alignment (or alignments) that matched the subtype(s) of the creature.
I would imagine that it would annoy the Archon as well. Do you really want to go around annoying Archons ?
The Hound Archon is not really capable of being an improvised weapon...
A better solution would be to just have the cleric align the barbarian's current weapon.
Looked it up, its not a feat its the rage power Body Bludgeon
Body Bludgeon (Ex): While raging, if the barbarian pins an opponent that is smaller than her, she can then use that opponent as a two-handed improvised weapon that deals 1d8 points of bludgeoning damage, assuming the opponent is sized Small. Larger or smaller creatures used as a bludgeon deal damage based on their size using this base damage. A size Tiny creature deals 1d6 points of damage, a size Medium creature deals 1d10 points of damage, and so on. The barbarian can make a single attack using the pinned opponent as part of the action she uses to maintain the grapple, using her highest attack bonus. Whenever the barbarian hits using the pinned opponent as a weapon, she deals damage to her target normally, and the grappled opponent used as a bludgeon also takes the same damage she dealt to the target. If the pinned opponent is unable to resist being pinned for any reason, the barbarian can use that opponent as an improvised weapon without grappling or pinning the opponent, until the creature is reduced to 0 or fewer hit points, at which point the creature becomes useless as an improvised weapon. A barbarian must be at least 10th level before selecting this rage power.Alright the Barbarian would have to be enlarged inorder to pick up the Hound Archon so assuming that would it work?
(We are never going to actualy try this I'm just curious as to whether it would work or not) so
IF the Barbarian COULD pick up the Hound Archon (OR another Good aligned monster of different size) WOULD it bypass the DR on the demon?
I wasn't aware of this rage power, so...
The barbarian would have to spend the first round grappling the hound archon, then spend the second round pinning the archon, then he could use the archon as a weapon to any target within his current reach. If the target is outside of his reach he would have to spend 1+ turns dragging the archon at 1/2 his move speed until he got there, rolling to maintain the grapple/pin every turn. Additionally, while pinned, the barbarian and archon would both receive the condition:pinned effect, which will make both of them easier to hit by enemies. You're correct in that you would have to enlarge the barbarian ahead of time too (or at least right after he 'pins' the archon).
Once again... far easier to just align the weapon. Also, I'm 99.9% sure that the rules wouldn't make a "lawful good" creature count as a "good aligned" improvised weapon simply due to alignment. If your natural attacks counted as coming from your alignment then every monk would have the capability to bypass DR at level 1 without having to do anything other than punch...
I wasn't aware of this rage power, so...
The barbarian would have to spend the first round grappling the hound archon, then spend the second round pinning the archon, then he could use the archon as a weapon to any target within his current reach. If the target is outside of his reach he would have to spend 1+ turns dragging the archon at 1/2 his move speed until he got there, rolling to maintain the grapple/pin every turn. Additionally, while pinned, the barbarian and archon would both receive the condition:pinned effect, which will make both of them easier to hit by enemies. You're correct in that you would have to enlarge the barbarian ahead of time too (or at least right after he 'pins' the archon).
Once again... far easier to just align the weapon. Also, I'm 99.9% sure that the rules wouldn't make a "lawful good" creature count as a "good aligned" improvised weapon simply due to alignment. If your natural attacks counted as coming from your alignment then every monk would have the capability to bypass DR at level 1 without having to do anything other than punch...
The barbarian doesn't gain the pinned condition when he pins someone else, just the grappled condition.
Also, it's specifically a property of having the lawful, chaotic, good, or evil subtypes that your natural weapons count as being aligned. A monk (even a level 20 monk) doesn't have the lawful subtype, so wouldn't gain anything. However, precisely because the creature has the appropriate subtype, I'd say they qualify to bypass DR of that type. "I'm hitting you with a good-aligned weapon - this archon has the good subtype."
Per the RAW no, it would not work. The rage power would function only as described, and since it does not mention that the improvised bludgeon is alignment-aligned, the improvised archon-hammer would not be good-aligned. That being said this is a situation beyond the RAW, and due to this it might warrant consideration beyond the RAW as a result.
I could see this situation occurring in a game, though the specifics would likely be different than that described. In any case it is a GM's choice to allow or disallow something that the game's rules could not possibly account for. I'd probably allow it to work, simply due to the player's ingenuity in tackling a fairly common problem. I would also support any GM that disallowed it in his or her game, for any reason.
The barbarian doesn't gain the pinned condition when he pins someone else, just the grappled condition.Also, it's specifically a property of having the lawful, chaotic, good, or evil subtypes that your natural weapons count as being aligned. A monk (even a level 20 monk) doesn't have the lawful subtype, so wouldn't gain anything. However, precisely because the creature has the appropriate subtype, I'd say they qualify to bypass DR of that type. "I'm hitting you with a good-aligned weapon - this archon has the good subtype."
Can you tell me where in the rules it says that natural attacks take on the alignment of the character?
Can you tell me where in the rules it says that natural attacks take on the alignment of the character?
The barbarian doesn't gain the pinned condition when he pins someone else, just the grappled condition.Also, it's specifically a property of having the lawful, chaotic, good, or evil subtypes that your natural weapons count as being aligned. A monk (even a level 20 monk) doesn't have the lawful subtype, so wouldn't gain anything. However, precisely because the creature has the appropriate subtype, I'd say they qualify to bypass DR of that type. "I'm hitting you with a good-aligned weapon - this archon has the good subtype."
This subtype is usually applied to outsiders native to the chaotic-aligned Outer Planes. Most creatures that have this subtype also have chaotic alignments; however, if their alignments change, they still retain the subtype. Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype as if the creature had a chaotic alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is. The creature also suffers effects according to its actual alignment. A creature with the chaotic subtype overcomes damage reduction as if its natural weapons and any weapons it wields are chaotically aligned.
Likewise for lawful, good, and evil subtypes.
Likewise for lawful, good, and evil subtypes.
This subtype is usually applied to outsiders native to the chaotic-aligned Outer Planes. Most creatures that have this subtype also have chaotic alignments; however, if their alignments change, they still retain the subtype. Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype as if the creature had a chaotic alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is. The creature also suffers effects according to its actual alignment. A creature with the chaotic subtype overcomes damage reduction as if its natural weapons and any weapons it wields are chaotically aligned.
Well then... I was clearly wrong, thank you for correcting me!