Devil We Know series question


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Was there a reason that the Devil We Know series of scenarios is the only one (to my knowledge) that you HAVE to play all of on the same character, and in the specific order of 1,2,3,4 or 2,1,3,4?

While I have personally made piece with having my character who played parts 1 and 2 level out of parts 3 and 4, I still find it kind of confusing why the decision to make that one set of scenarios like that, which could end up impacting several of my local players.

Can someone please tell me why this was done, or if there is a chance that an errata could be done to change it to be in line with the rest of the multi-part scenario arcs?

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Excerpts taken from Scenario 29 - The Devil We Know, Part I - Shipyard Rats.

Shipyard Rats is the first in a connected series of scenarios for Pathfinder Society Organized Play. Though it’s best if these scenarios are played in order, they do not have to be. For example, if any of your PCs have played through Cassomir’s Locker first (Part II of the Devil We Know series), assume they learn that the few cultists they encounter in Part II were just a prelude to the kidnappings in this adventure. There will be at least two more chapters to this story before the end of Season 1.

From Scenario 30 - The Devil We Know, Part II - Cassomir's Locker.

Cassomir’s Locker is the second in a connected series of scenarios for the Pathfinder Society Organized Play. Though it’s best if these scenarios are played in order, they do not have to be. See Shipyard Rats for examples of how to play Cassomir’s Locker if you’re playing it first. There will be at least two more chapters in this story before the end of Season 1.

From Scenario 41 - The Devil We Know, Part III - Crypt of Fools

Crypt of Fools is the third installment in the Devil We Know series. The first two installments, #29: Shipyard Rats and #30: Cassomir’s Locker, were written to be played in either order. The final two installments, this scenario and #48: Rules of the Swift, have to be played sequentially and can only be played once a PC has completed #29 and #30.

From Scenario 48 - The Devil We Know, Part IV - Rules of the Swift

Rules of the Swift is the fourth and final installment in the Devil We Know series. While it is not required that players play the previous three installments before tackling this scenario, this scenario will make a lot more sense if played as the conclusion to the series.

Based on the way these read I would say that you would not have to play all with the same character if you didn't want to, nor even play all sequentially and I think Mark summed it up nicely in this post:

Mark Moreland wrote:
While it's ideal to run the same PC through an arc, it's not required. At least not with TDWK. The issue there was that it was released over the course of an entire season and people's PCs moved out of the level range to complete the whole thing. Same happened with Echoes of the Everwar. We're only releasing tied adventures in subsequent months from now on to combat this effect, except for Tier 12, which don't run into the same issue.

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Well Im going to chalk this one up to 'things that more experiences PFSers have told me incorrectly'.

Thanks for the heads up. I guess we are done here. :P


My take on it:

It was the first multi-part scenario, and they wanted to strongly encourage people to play it in order (so as not to spoil previous chapters, for instance). But after further reflection, they realised that there's not much point in being draconian about the wording, so they dropped it for future multi-part scenarios.

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They also won't take away your PFS card if things happen and you play them out of order with different PFS characters.

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Just a quick clarification. What about playing them with the same character, but out of order? I currently have 2 and 4 and my local group is running 3 at the end of the week. Can I run it with the same character that has 2 and 4, or does it need to be a different character? Thanks!

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Personally, I'd allow them to be played out of order if you don't have a choice, but once you know the ending of Part 4 you must avoid metagaming with that knowledge when you run into certain NPCs in earlier parts! If your character acts inappropriately within the scenario I'd have to kick you off the table.

This is just my opinion and not necessarily in accordance with the way the scenarios are written. However, PFS policies have changed significantly in the four years since Season 1. The preferred method is to play them in order, of course.

I really, really wish some of those NPCs would finally make a return appearance so we can mete out a little justice.

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Echoes of the Everwar requires you to play parts 1, 2, and 3 in any order with the same character before playing part 4.

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Sorry about the thread necro.

Has there been an official declaration somewhere on this issue?

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Justin Sluder wrote:

Sorry about the thread necro.

Has there been an official declaration somewhere on this issue?

The ruling is that they do not need to be played in order.

Nor does Echoes of the Everwar.

I think the only series that has to is Eyes of Ten.

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Holy thread necro, Batman!

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Yeah I was wondering how Jonathanheimer even found this thread buried so far down. It must have been a Google search, and he didn't notice the date he was replying to.

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To be fair, Mark’s ruling had mostly been lost to history, as I’ve seen several different listings for both series still using the restrictions from the scenarios.

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