Quickdraw Shield vs Normal Shield Help


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Under core combat rules, readying a shield (which I am assuming means drawing and buckling it, so correct me if I'm wrong there), is a move action.

Then we get this addenudum:
If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you can combine one of these actions with a regular move. If you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, you can draw two light or one-handed weapons in the time it would normally take you to draw one.

This leads me to believe that I can pull my sword and heavy or light shield off my back during a regular move, provided I have TWF.

Now, the quickdraw shield states this:
If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you may don or put away a quickdraw shield as a swift action combined with a regular move. If you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, you can draw a light or one-handed weapon with one hand and a quickdraw shield with the other in the time it would normally take you to draw one weapon.

Isn't this behavior inherent to all shields? What makes the quickdraw shield special? It seems like the language here implicitly limits what you could do with regular shields.

Help me out, please!


Readying a shield is not drawing a weapon, so it's not something you can combine with a move under normal circumstances.

Dark Archive

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can't pull out and don a shield while moving as just one move action. The quick-draw shield you don as a swift action combined with a regular move, so even that is more strenuous than the usual drawing of a weapon (free action) combined with a move.

Grand Lodge

So, what if you have quick draw?

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blackbloodtroll wrote:
So, what if you have quick draw?

The Quickdraw feat lets you draw a weapon as a free action, but that doesn't extend to retrieving stored items (or even drawing wands, which are otherwise considered "weapon-like" enough for the free-during-a-move draw).

Since it doesn't affect anything but drawing a weapon, it has no impact on shield usage, except as specified by the Quickdraw Shield text.

Grand Lodge

A shield is a weapon, and can be enchanted as one. It is as weapon-like as a short sword. Just saying.

Dark Archive

No, a shield is armour that can be used as a weapon.

Grand Lodge

Look in the weapons section. As far a the rules are concerned, a shield is a weapon. You can use a brick as a weapon, but it is not a weapon as rules go. How many examples do you require?


You could draw a shield as a weapon, I imagine, with Quick Draw, but still could not ready it for use as a shield.

If all you want is to bash people with it, by RAW at least, go to town. But you can't ready a shield as if it were a weapon--it's a totally different action.

Grand Lodge

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mplindustries wrote:

You could draw a shield as a weapon, I imagine, with Quick Draw, but still could not ready it for use as a shield.

If all you want is to bash people with it, by RAW at least, go to town. But you can't ready a shield as if it were a weapon--it's a totally different action.

That is true, but what about a quickdraw shield?


blackbloodtroll wrote:
mplindustries wrote:

You could draw a shield as a weapon, I imagine, with Quick Draw, but still could not ready it for use as a shield.

If all you want is to bash people with it, by RAW at least, go to town. But you can't ready a shield as if it were a weapon--it's a totally different action.

That is true, but what about a quickdraw shield?

Quickdraw Shields let you ready a shield as a swift action. You're still readying a shield, and Quickdraw, the feat, does nothing to alter the way readying a shield works.

Grand Lodge

I was just curious as how the two interacted.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
I was just curious as how the two interacted.

I see. Unfortunately, they don't interact at all.

But having both means that you can draw and ready both a shield and a wepaon as a swift and free action, so that's pretty nice.

Edit: This is wrong!


blackbloodtroll wrote:
what about a quickdraw shield?

If you have the Quick Draw feat, you may don or put away a quickdraw shield as a free action.

Grand Lodge

Still awesome to use with a throwing shield.

Grand Lodge

Throwing Shield: This shield is designed for throwing
and comes with specially designed straps allowing you to
unclasp and throw it as a free action. Tower shields cannot
be throwing shields. Neither a shield’s enhancement
bonus to AC nor its shield spikes apply to your attack or
damage rolls.


Grick wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
what about a quickdraw shield?

If you have the Quick Draw feat, you may don or put away a quickdraw shield as a free action.

Ha, actually looking the item up instead of relying on the description in the first post helps! My mistake.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Still awesome to use with a throwing shield.

Why? A bunch of quickdraw throwing shields for iterative attacks?

Grand Lodge

No, you can throw them as a free action. As many of these shields you can carry, you can throw, in less than one round.


I see the reasoning behind it now. Thanks.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
No, you can throw them as a free action. As many of these shields you can carry, you can throw, in less than one round.

Are you really saying that if you had quick draw and could carry thirty quickdraw throwing shields, that you could throw all of them as a free action?


Grick wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
No, you can throw them as a free action. As many of these shields you can carry, you can throw, in less than one round.

Are you really saying that if you had quick draw and could carry thirty quickdraw throwing shields, that you could throw all of them as a free action?

Crap, by RAW, he's right. Well, no, by RAW, you have as many free actions as the GM allows, so by RAW, he could throw as many as the GM allows.

Grand Lodge

Grick wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
No, you can throw them as a free action. As many of these shields you can carry, you can throw, in less than one round.

Are you really saying that if you had quick draw and could carry thirty quickdraw throwing shields, that you could throw all of them as a free action?

RAW, yes.


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Wouldn't each attack still count as one of your iteratives? (the free action bit just describing that it doesn't take any additional time?)

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