So you throw an adamantine golem against your high level party. After smashing it into little self-healing pieces, one of your players has his character cast wish saying "I wish you [the golem] gone, as though you had never been constructed."
What would you cause to happen? Would you just say the golem is forever destroyed and move on? Or would you reset time for the last several rounds, describing the PCs re-entering the same area, but this time not encountering any golem (or perhaps a different guardian)?
In the latter scenario, would the PC keep his wish since he never needed to cast it (as there is no longer any golem)? Would you give XP for the encounter even though it, to the PCs, never happened?
How exactly would you arbitrate such a wish?
No screwing here. This is purely hypothetical.
I'm asking because this is the wish I was considering making once we kill those golems.
Also, wouldn't using a different, but identical adamantine golem basically create an infinite loop in time? Different adamantine golem or not, the stats are the same, and the result will be the same. No, more than likely it will be a different guardian, or no guardian, I'm thinking.
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No screwing here. This is purely hypothetical.
I'm asking because this is the wish I was considering making once we kill those golems.
Also, wouldn't using a different, but identical adamantine golem basically create an infinite loop in time? Different adamantine golem or not, the stats are the same, and the result will be the same. No, more than likely it will be a different guardian, or no guardian, I'm thinking.
want a safe wish?
I wish that this golem was forever innate, unable to reform or repair and in all respects destroyed.
Gives you what you want.
I think you mean:
I wish that this golem was forever inanimate, unable to reform or repair and in all respects destroyed.I know it is just a slip, just wouldn't want RD to repeat it.
But then I'd lose the wish! Those things are expensive you know. :P
Besides, it would be really cool to rewind time.
I'd be careful with that one. It seems to fall under the partial/undesireable fullfillment clause written right into the spell. Although I like roleplaying through unintended consequences...
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So you throw an adamantine golem against your high level party. After smashing it into little self-healing pieces, one of your players has his character cast wish saying "I wish you [the golem] gone, as though you had never been constructed."
What would you cause to happen? Would you just say the golem is forever destroyed and move on? Or would you reset time for the last several rounds, describing the PCs re-entering the same area, but this time not encountering any golem (or perhaps a different guardian)?
In the latter scenario, would the PC keep his wish since he never needed to cast it (as there is no longer any golem)? Would you give XP for the encounter even though it, to the PCs, never happened?
How exactly would you arbitrate such a wish?
No time-loop for me here (ie, first answer). Because you wish him gone now, with the same consequences ("as") from now on as if it never existed.
The consequences of the wish thus do not alter the past.
If the guy whose dungoen it is you are "visiting" has bought the golem, and not created it himself - then the most probable scenario, would of course be, that there were another adamantine golem there. Because then he simply would never have bought a golem that didn't exist in the first place.
Partial fulfillment or undesirable fulfillment if I was the GM. The "I wish you [the golem] gone, as though you had never been constructed" throws me off a bit since it seems you are asking for more than just slaying it. Some black part of me always wants to twist wishes that aren't very direct but thats just me, I would probably ask for clarification as to intent though since you might just be using flowery wording.
Wish it to the bottom of the ocean. Unless your adventure is occurring at the bottom of the ocean. In which case, wish it to the bottom of a different ocean.
Well RD, it could go in a few different directions. To avoid a time paradox the wish would either exclude you from losing knowledge of the afformentioned adamantine golem and thus you have expended the wish knowing you have averted danger. The function of the spell has essentially become nullification.
Another alternative to look at is that you go through all the castings and expend the materials only to have the spell fizzle or error out because you would be creating a time paradox that cannot be met.
Lastly, the consequences of not having the golem ever made (or wished to be undone) means that the creator(s) of said golem never crafted it but still required defenses so something more insideous has been put there in it's place. Which really kind of screws the party over because (unless the wish returns the resources spent) you are short resources and have another fight to deal with immediately after the golem which should be of equal CR. A more devious DM could infact turn it into a trap of massive destruction, etc.
Really it boils down to how the DM wants to deal with the whole scenario and the different concepts of managing time alteration. I'm not advocating one way or another but the Wish spell is a big opportunity for DM fiat to mess with your plans.
P.S. -The easiest way to deal with it as a DM could also be that he says a new adamantine golem appears, it's just not the one you already destroyed.
Well, there's two adamantine golems, plus the very real possibility that we will be facing multiple behemoths in the future simultaneously.
I have but one wish to give. (no more diamonds)
Is it possible for me to wish the destruction of two adamantine golems with one wish?
Also, why does the new replacement defender have to be MORE deadly? That doesn't make any sense. It's just as likely to be a little weaker or even non-existent.
Can't you just Wish that the recipe for building Adamantine Golems had never been discovered? Wouldn't that be safer?
Or Wish that the Lich had not prepared any defenses. See how that sits.
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Can't you just wish for more 25k diamonds? No way that's more powerful than the listed options.
Cheapy, your name is well-deserved.
I'm far less confident is wish's ability to do such things ever since they removed its automatic ability to create items, magic and mundane, from the list of safe options (no doubt a side-affect of them having removed XP costs from the game).
If you want cheap, just find any old diamond, and appraise it as worth 25,000 gp.
I mean, the diamond just has to be worth 25,000 gp. What it's worth depends on who looks at it.
Also, why does the new replacement defender have to be MORE deadly? That doesn't make any sense. It's just as likely to be a little weaker or even non-existent.
Well it doesn't necessarily have to be a stronger enemy, you're right there. It should be an obstacle that can effectively replicate the same role that the original golem was filling. If that is in the form of a creature, magical trap or dungeon construction then that has been done.