Mind blank stops divination spells
Yep.See Invisibility
Range personal
Target youYou can see any objects or beings that are invisible within your range of vision, as well as any that are ethereal, as if they were normally visible.
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.While having a CASTING RANGE of "personal" the spell effect still extends into infinity (sight range on most planes isn't limitted, only your spot check limits what you detect with your brain)
Did you even bother to read the last few posts?
Its about whether the EFFECTS (or however you call them) of Contingency can extend beyond yourself even if it has a CASTING RANGE of Personal.
And See Invisibility is a good example. Personal Casting Range but Infinite Effect Range. Whether there are countermeasures or not against that Effect that you could take is not part of the discussion and rather irrelevant.
That has to be one of the most atrocious counter-examples I've ever heard.It's akin to saying armor doesn't stop swords because you're wearing the armor, and not carrying the swords.
Eesh.
Correct. That's absurd, just like its absurd to suggest to suggest that because Contingency has a range of personal, its limited to responding to personal effects. All that the range means is that the spell can only be cast on yourself. Its condition can be anything within the limits defined by the spell, whether or not its personal in nature.
Anyway, its real shame this thread is so far off topic. There were some cool build ideas earlier on :/
Other spells with Personal Range that have effects that extend outside the person of the caster specifically name those effects.
The conditions clause of Contingency does no such thing.
See Invisibility used to be detect invisibility, and it did have a range. They changed that so that the target is the caster, and he can see the invisible.
Teleport has a range of personal because you can't cast it on others. Then the spell takes effect, and you go zipping somewhere.
The conditions have none of this language. They have no 'detect' language. They are not readied actions. They don't have an AI. They can't recognize specific people...none of that is in the spell description.
Contingency is not as strong as casters want it to be. That's all there is to it.
trying to make it a 'one spell fits all circumstances' just isn't going to work.
==Aelryinth
and yet they still have to obey the default restrictions within the spell. Otherwise, what you are arguing is Rule 0, which means 'do as you like', which is exactly what casters want.
==Aelryinth
Your 'liberalness' is just your interpretation of the spell. In other words, Rule 0. Mine, at least, has support inside the spells own restrictions on range.
Aren't absolute statements fun?
==Aelryinth
It MAY not support my interpretation, but in the absence of other rules, you default to what is stated in the spell. Thus, I have a foundation.
It sure as HELL doesn't support the wide-open 'sense an attack from across the world from an Orc named Joe and teleport me away before it arrives' interpretation that casters seem to prefer, which combines multiple divinations, unlimited range, and ready actions all in one. Find anything in the spell which supports THAT.
==Aelryinth
So, your rule is Rule O. Fine by me.
==Aelryinth