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Okay, I'm definitely going to be creating a stir...Apologies in advance! I just really love costumes and cosplay potential of the characters that I play. To me, it makes the game more awesome. I'm a huge Warcraft gamer and I enjoy seeing super-cool armor sets--my favorites are always the hotter ones.
I just want to put in a direct request for attractive and form-fitting female armor. The most awesome thing I find about being female is the fantastic cosplay outfits I get to make wear (That and being married to Sean lol). Don't be afraid of the people who hate cheesecake, you could make more conservative sets for them ;o). They don't necessarily have to be revealing to be sexy either, I could make suggestions? ;o)
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Gods forbid! Whatever will be implemented, let it not be in any way similar to World Of Warcraft robes and armors, blizzard devs have sick fetish about ridiculous shoulderpads and they have some obsessive compulsion to place some patterns on everything as if they could not stand a decent piece of plain cloth.
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Just don't make it take 20 levels before you find your first set of pants.
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Well, Jodi, I don’t think you have to worry about the lack of form-fitting armor. EVERY fantasy game has that in excess. And, if Pathfinder artwork is any guide, all of that will be present in PFO. I have no doubts. Actually, I would like the armor and general design of the game to be as similar to the artwork style presented in the books as possible (without breaking copyright law). This means that heavy armor IS actually heavy armor – no “plate mail bikinis” or whatever. For example, in the book artwork, the cleric of Iomedae is always presented in full plate and in typical “Joan of Arc” fashion.
I also second not having obnoxiously large shoulder pads and bulky armor with obtuse designs. However, I think WoW can get away with that because of their cartoonish character stylizations. But, they are going over the top a bit with it.
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I concur. World of Wacraft had some horrendous shoulder pads. It did however have it's moments, but then again, WoW armour design very much followed the games cartoon-esque/disproportionate art style.
I would personally prefere a range of customizations and choices of everyday, yet very attractively drawn armours.
In the same vein as Ultima Online, a game which had close to no character customization and only 5 or so varieties of armour, players were able to strongly define their appearance based up their hairstyle & colour, and most specifically what they wore over or in addition to their armour.
It sounds stupid but I could probably have name a 100 or more people from the Europa server simply be looking at them.
Forget style, let us create our own.
I concur. World of Wacraft had some horrendous shoulder pads. It did however have it's moments, but then again, WoW armour design very much followed the games cartoon-esque/disproportionate art style.
I would personally prefere a range of customizations and choices of everyday, yet very attractively drawn armours.
In the same vein as Ultima Online, a game which had close to no character customization and only 5 or so varieties of armour, players were able to strongly define their appearance based up their hairstyle & colour, and most specifically what they wore over or in addition to their armour.
It sounds stupid but I could probably have name a 100 or more people from the Europa server simply be looking at them.
Forget style, let us create our own.
On the total opposite side of the spectrum as UO, Guild Wars had about 30 or 40 sets of armor – most of those were endgame - and the look of your armor was linked to your class. So, every ranger with armor type A looked identical. Now, one could color their armor and make the highlights pink or grey or whatever, but, that is a far cry from what character customization should have been.
There are many (and I am one) who is asking the game to be fully open ended, controlled, and designed by the players. Now, this is a hard task for programmers and will take insane amounts of computing time. While looking individual via hundreds of sets of armor options would bring the game closer to reality, I would gladly give this up for greater immersion through the ability to change the PFO landscape, more realistic economy system, and player generated quests.
Okay, I'm definitely going to be creating a stir...Apologies in advance! I just really love costumes and cosplay potential of the characters that I play. To me, it makes the game more awesome. I'm a huge Warcraft gamer and I enjoy seeing super-cool armor sets--my favorites are always the hotter ones.
I just want to put in a direct request for attractive and form-fitting female armor. The most awesome thing I find about being female is the fantastic cosplay outfits I get to make wear (That and being married to Sean lol). Don't be afraid of the people who hate cheesecake, you could make more conservative sets for them ;o). They don't necessarily have to be revealing to be sexy either, I could make suggestions? ;o)
Why only for females?
Last I checked, there were male cosplayers who might also want fun stuff to wear, and otherwise you're setting a double standard.
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Considering crafted armor is intended to be the top gear in the game, I would like it if, appearence, designs etc... and stat bonuses, were completely separate things for armor. IE my +4 armor of X that was tailored for me, looks completely different then bob's +4 armor of X that was tailored for him (say there's 20-30 different designs that can be chosen from, and mix and matching bonuses with designs is chosen at crafting)
I also second the statement that all templates need to be logical for their type. IE no full plate armor sets for women that only cover a total of 8 square inches of their body, yet somehow have the same pre-enchant defense of the dwarf male whom you can only see his eyes. As Jodi mentioned it doesn't have to be skimpy to be sexy, a form fitting full plate that shows off the female form is fine, a chain bikini only makes sense as a low defense armor designed to not encumber agility and dodging.
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Cheescake skin-showing clothing for both male and female is a must; if one is going to play a game starting a artistic image for hours on end, most prefer to do so with something that is visually appealing.
I agree that "fullPlate" should not cover only a few inches of flesh just for the sake of cheesecake; but following a trend in Lord of the Rings online - what you wear that actually gives your character it's in game bonuses is not necessarily how you appear.
You have several "outfit" slots to choose from and in them you can put cosmetic clothing or other more evocative styles of armor so that you can customize your appearance while still maintain the armor type and magical bonuses that you want for your character at a given level.
You pay to unlock additional outfit slots - of which I have done - in fact I've unlocked the maximum possible. (paying to unlock an outfit slot unlocks it for all PCs on that account and server).
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My own 2 cents on this..
would be to keep the art like what you guys are doing already. Don't mimic wow. Don't make the females super sexed up with plate armour bikinis (unless you do that option for guys too).
Stick with what made Pathfinder awesome already.... which probably isn't the sexy costume potential behind everything.
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Why only for females?
Because Jodi is female, and frequently runs into the "it's armor, it's supposed to be protective, not sexy, stop being sexist toward women in fantasy" argument. She's just making sure her preference is known.
Or, to look at it another way: "Please make sure the ladies can have sexy armor" does not mean "Please make sure ONLY the ladies can have sexy armor."
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One idea to work this is to "borrow" an idea from SOE's EverQuest2.
They have a mechanic called "appearance" slots. What this does is allows costume elements that are worn for their appearance, and these items are what shows on the character's avatar. (Such armor us usually stat less and weightless.)
The character is "actually" wearing other armor pieces, and receives the functional benefits from these.
This would allow everyone to have what they want.
- Sexy/Cheesecake armor/clothing for those players who want that.
- Not forcing players (due to the armor's superior bonuses) to use armor that they don't want due to its appearance.
- Ugly, mismatched armor sets can be avoided. Due to the way magic armors are acquired in game, this can easily be a problem.
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Or, to look at it another way: "Please make sure the ladies can have sexy armor" does not mean "Please make sure ONLY the ladies can have sexy armor."
Seriously. If I want to play a half-dressed conan or tarzan type it would be nice if I could get the mechanical advantage of a decent armor class without the visual eyesore of a giant suit of armor ruining my theme.
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One idea to work this is to "borrow" an idea from SOE's EverQuest2.
They have a mechanic called "appearance" slots. What this does is allows costume elements that are worn for their appearance, and these items are what shows on the character's avatar. (Such armor us usually stat less and weightless.)
The character is "actually" wearing other armor pieces, and receives the functional benefits from these.
This would allow everyone to have what they want.
- Sexy/Cheesecake armor/clothing for those players who want that.
- Not forcing players (due to the armor's superior bonuses) to use armor that they don't want due to its appearance.
- Ugly, mismatched armor sets can be avoided. Due to the way magic armors are acquired in game, this can easily be a problem.
I don't oppose this, but considering how much emphasis Ryan has implied on the crafting system. I still have to be leaning towards the feel of personalized crafted suits of armor. The stats, bonuses etc... would be based off of the raw material/items that you find to make it, but the appearence would be dedicated by the crafter's specialties etc... Making using a special crafter for the style you like a preference choice.
Okay, I'm definitely going to be creating a stir...Apologies in advance! I just really love costumes and cosplay potential of the characters that I play. To me, it makes the game more awesome. I'm a huge Warcraft gamer and I enjoy seeing super-cool armor sets--my favorites are always the hotter ones.
I just want to put in a direct request for attractive and form-fitting female armor. The most awesome thing I find about being female is the fantastic cosplay outfits I get to make wear (That and being married to Sean lol). Don't be afraid of the people who hate cheesecake, you could make more conservative sets for them ;o). They don't necessarily have to be revealing to be sexy either, I could make suggestions? ;o)
+1.
It seems to me that, as others have suggested, you could also add Appearance tabs so that you can make your armor appear one way while gaining the benefits of a different set of armor. Even with PC crafters making all the armor, "appearance armor" shouldn't really impact the economy, since the underlying set of armor (the one that isn't shown while the Appearance Armor set is displayed) is still the one providing mechanical benefits.
Plate bikinis as far as the eye can see.
I'd like to see a comeback of the Morrowind armour-system: Two different shoulder slots, two different gauntlet slots, a chest slot, legs, feet, head, rings, amulets, trousers and shirts and a funky robe on top of everything.
Yeah, you might look like a patchwork-wannabe-knight, but I liked the feel of the whole thing.
On another note: I'm totally for sexy armour.
Yeah piece mail armor please please please please?
I don't mind if you can buy the whole suit as an armor set, but being able to have chain mail with plate arms and whatever for the legs would be terrific.
In fact being able to turn such pieces into a 'suit' for easy equipment would be wonderful as well.
If you'd like an idea of what armor will look like in Pathfinder Online, look at what armor looks like in any other Pathfinder product. PFO art direction will take its cues from what has come before.
This is incredibly good news, imo. I think the art style of the various Pathfinder products is one of its most distinctive features, and it'd be an incredible shame not to capitalize on it.
IF it was like pathfinder art that would be awesome.
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One of the things that DC Universe Online did correctly was gear appearances.
Basically any time you equip a piece of gear you also gain that particular gear's appearance and it is saved to your character profile. If in the future you want to use different gear with better stats, but do not like the way it looks, then you simply re-equip the old style for that slot after switching to the new piece of gear.
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One of the things that DC Universe Online did correctly was gear appearances.
Basically any time you equip a piece of gear you also gain that particular gear's appearance and it is saved to your character profile. If in the future you want to use different gear with better stats, but do not like the way it looks, then you simply re-equip the old style for that slot after switching to the new piece of gear.
This.
This feature will also be added to WoW I believe in the upcoming patch. I'd personally love to have it in PFO.
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Okay, I'm definitely going to be creating a stir...
You, Sean, and Vic are all awesome. In your own ways.
You for expressing an atypical opinion that sexy doesn't mean denigrating, humiliating, or oppressing. I'd admit that last year's pictures of you as Amiri conveyed "sexy lady". This post (amongst others) has added "cool person who doesn't toe the line". Not that you need my approval but good on you.
Sean for supporting you without supporting you. Subtle, but he's basically just underlined your point, not played Mr. Overprotective.
Vic for dodging the bullet by coming up with an answer we can all live with.
Seems Paizo and the people around them are all just cool folks.
Sexy armour is immersion breaking.
However, if we have to have it, I am putting in my vote for a plate thong for men.
Sexy armour is immersion breaking.
However, if we have to have it, I am putting in my vote for a plate thong for men.
Oooooh, I hope so. I also hope the sexy armors have a chafing rating, and then I can set up shop and make a fortune selling soothing balms and ointments.
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Seriously. If I want to play a half-dressed conan or tarzan type it would be nice if I could get the mechanical advantage of a decent armor class without the visual eyesore of a giant suit of armor ruining my theme.
Or, to look at it another way: "Please make sure the ladies can have sexy armor" does not mean "Please make sure ONLY the ladies can have sexy armor."
Just make a +5 Loincloth of "Damn, I'm Sexy".
Unless you're one of those Michale Moore look-a-likes I saw playing Conan at Ren Fest. Then, please. Don't.
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Seriously. If I want to play a half-dressed conan or tarzan type it would be nice if I could get the mechanical advantage of a decent armor class without the visual eyesore of a giant suit of armor ruining my theme.
Or, to look at it another way: "Please make sure the ladies can have sexy armor" does not mean "Please make sure ONLY the ladies can have sexy armor."Just make a +5 Loincloth of "Damn, I'm Sexy".
Unless you're one of those Michale Moore look-a-likes I saw playing Conan at Ren Fest. Then, please. Don't.
That's the problem with sexy armor, while Jodi may look good in it. I would not look very good in the same outfit.
IT'S NOT FAIR I TELL YOU.... NOT FAIR.
um sorry ....where were we?
I insist on armor that shows I be a pirate with booty! No self-respectin' sea dog goes ashore without showing off his precious booty. Arr...
I insist on armor that shows I be a pirate with booty! No self-respectin' sea dog goes ashore without showing off his precious booty. Arr...
hahaha. Well, who can argue with that?
Can we have sexy Grey Maiden fullplate as per the art? Form and function.
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Okay, I'm definitely going to be creating a stir...Apologies in advance! I just really love costumes and cosplay potential of the characters that I play. To me, it makes the game more awesome. I'm a huge Warcraft gamer and I enjoy seeing super-cool armor sets--my favorites are always the hotter ones.
I just want to put in a direct request for attractive and form-fitting female armor. The most awesome thing I find about being female is the fantastic cosplay outfits I get to make wear (That and being married to Sean lol). Don't be afraid of the people who hate cheesecake, you could make more conservative sets for them ;o). They don't necessarily have to be revealing to be sexy either, I could make suggestions? ;o)
I hope not.
While you're doing away with the ridiculous shoulder pads, please also remember to go nowhere near gigantic heads and hands. Or blocky legs. Or sword guards wider than a huge barbarian's shoulders.
Sexy armour is immersion breaking.
However, if we have to have it, I am putting in my vote for a plate thong for men.
You mean a codpiece?
In our game, we have a dwarf fighter who wears a metal codpiece. He hides his gems (and, yes, his jewels) in it. We joke that he can never sneak around because everywhere he goes, he is rattling.
The Kingdom under fire games have a male playable character who wears very little. Not for everyone, perhaps, most are just staring at their seminude female floozies. Absolutely seconded that we need semi-nudity for both sexes.
Maybe we could have "sex appeal" sliders, like Saints Row 3. I'd be able to more realistically model the difference between my elf wizard and dwarf paladin, at least.
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The Kingdom under fire games have a male playable character who wears very little. Not for everyone, perhaps, most are just staring at their seminude female floozies. Absolutely seconded that we need semi-nudity for both sexes.
Along with that: El Shaddai - Ascension of the Metatron
Haven't played it, but it's perhaps a bit telling that a number of reviewers made a big deal about the game being heavy with homoerotic subtext when it seems to just be dudes about as well covered as your average female videogame character.
(also related, the freakout a few people had over that one Dragon(or Dungeon?) cover featuring Greek Mythology-inspired manservice)
I'd just be happy to see both the fanservice and the reasonable sides of the spectrum catered too without being exclusive towards each other. People should be able to choose whether they want to go Amiri-style or Seelah-style.
I actually rather like that idea. It would probably be a TON of work to try to set up a custom avatar creation system or whatnot
Well, really it's just one bulge between the legs. Not too difficult.
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I actually rather like that idea. It would probably be a TON of work to try to set up a custom avatar creation system or whatnotWell, really it's just one bulge between the legs. Not too difficult.
Unless jiggle physics are applied.
Now there's a landmark for equal treatment in videogames.
And thus did this thread become a case of epic win.
Keep on with the highly amusing (and somewhat insightful) posts, people :)
Just to be Devil’s Advicate -
the PFO FAQ states that a player will have to be at least 13 to create a PFO account. I am not trying to be prudish here, but do keep in mind that Goblinworks will probably try to keep parents mildly happy as far as PC clothing is concerned. There is no point in angering those with preteens- preteens who make up a very high percentage of the video game consumer market.
As a point of comparison (and a counterpoint to my own statement), WoW has an ESRB Teen rating. But does anyone know if they even have a lower age limit to create an account?
Just to be Devil’s Advicate -
the PFO FAQ states that a player will have to be at least 13 to create a PFO account. I am not trying to be prudish here, but do keep in mind that Goblinworks will probably try to keep parents mildly happy as far as PC clothing is concerned. There is no point in angering those with preteens- preteens who make up a very high percentage of the video game consumer market.As a point of comparison (and a counterpoint to my own statement), WoW has an ESRB Teen rating. But does anyone know if they even have a lower age limit to create an account?
I may be wrong in my recollection, but I believe that technically the only way a child below 13 is supposed to be able to have a WoW account is as a rider on a parent's account. I could be wrong, but I think I read this somewhere.
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Just to be Devil’s Advicate -
the PFO FAQ states that a player will have to be at least 13 to create a PFO account.
The main reason for this is that if your website caters to people under 13, a whole carload of child protection laws come into play, and the potential legal liabilities become significantly more complex.
Similar (but different) laws explain why many board games in our industry are labeled for ages 13+.
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If you'd like an idea of what armor will look like in Pathfinder Online, look at what armor looks like in any other Pathfinder product. PFO art direction will take its cues from what has come before.
Really glad to hear this... not necessarily with respect for recreating Amiri's badass sexy self, but when I heard Paizo was licensing an MMO my immediate fear was that they'd jettison the traditional art style for a WoW-like cartoonishness (which I guess technically is easier on low-end video cards, but leaves me dead cold).
In the same vein, I hope y'all are planning to inject the sort of stuff found in Carrion Crown into the MMO - I can't imagine Golarion without the doom and ruin you lot weave in so well.
There had better be a horned helmet for females to wear. If I cannot create my homebrew race in the game, I sure as hell would at least go for the closest thing to it that I can find. XD