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There's still all those jokes about your junk Shade.


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Vinland Forever wrote:


On topic, I think the Monk needs to focus much more on Monk weapons and lost the unarmed damage bonuses. That always irked me. You are NOT punching somebody in full plate and killing them, and you are NOT punching through dragon scales.

No, monks kill people by punching them in the face. Almost nobody wears helmets in PF.


Purple Shade wrote:


Edit: And Purple, is the colour of death, wisdom, mournig, evening, winter, wine and royalty - that sounds like a sneaky, rich, murderous villan to me. - I wouldn't mind sharing my name with those... Provided the sneaky part always applies.

I've never heard of purple being the color of death and grieving, I thought that was black (or white if you're old school Japanese or Caribbean). That's pretty darn sneaky of the color!


Darkwing Duck wrote:
I've never heard of purple being the color of death and grieving, I thought that was black (or white if you're old school Japanese or Caribbean). That's pretty darn sneaky of the color!

Not sure if you're trying to be snide, but I'll just take it light heartedly. Even if it turned out I was totally wrong, as least I'd get new information. :)

Purple has been used as a secondary colour for mourning, apparently in quite a few cultures (most notably it's used for symbolic mourning during lent) and during the later stages of mourning in Christian countries during the past.

Apparently it's Thailand in particular where it is the colour of mourning about page is fairly clear- Just scroll down to Thailand.

Wiki has Japan as having it as a colour of death, under "Cultural associations" (I'd recommend 'Ctrl+F' on this one, as it is a long page)

Mark Twain apparently made it the 'colour of mourning' in his work 'The Prince and The Pauper', which may account for some of misleading information on the subject. (I plead prior ignorance for that possibility)

Basically, though, if you give people enough time, we'll go through every trend we can imagine.
It would not surprise me if, three centuries from now (presuming I had some way of seeing into the future, which is a doubtful eventuality) teal, or pink, or bright baby-blue became the colour of mourning.
- So with enough history behind us, it's likely that numerous trends have come and died. Some which have been written about, and some which we will never know of.

Edit: The basic summary is "I don't know for sure, but the information I have seen, has lead me to believe this is true in some places, therefore I listed it. If I am incorrect, that's okay, but this is what I know now."


Purple Shade wrote:

Basically, though, if you give people enough time, we'll go through every trend we can imagine.

It would not surprise me if, three centuries from now (presuming I had some way of seeing into the future, which is a doubtful eventuality) teal, or pink, or bright baby-blue became the colour of mourning.
- So with enough history behind us, it's likely that numerous trends have come and died. Some which have been written about, and some which we will never know of.

First, I wasn't being snide. Culture is something I've always had an interest in (even got a degree in Anthropology in) and, so, when you made a comment about a cultural factoid I was not aware of, it perked my interest. I don't claim to know everything about all cultures. I do claim, however, to be interested in learning everything about all cultures, particularly things as basic as color symbolism.

But, the sources I've been able to find (in the middle of the night) don't support the sources you reference. Black has been widely the color of mourning for, at least, several centuries.

The only source of yours that I can find substantiated (by which I mean the only source of yours which I can find what appears to be several independent sources for*) is that purple is the color of mourning in Thailand. I can't find any independent sources of Twain's claim (Twain may have been wrong). Half mourning required muted colors (some shades of purple are muted, but that's not the same as saying that purple is the color of mourning).

Its cool to learn that about Thailand, though.

Note
* The problem with using the web as a reference is that many page writers use Wikipedia as a reference and many Wikipedia writers use web pages as references. It creates what is essentially self-references which can be quite far from anything the real world recognizes as truth and accuracy. Figuring out what is an independent source among web pages is largely an act of magic and faith in which I claim no particular expertise.

Liberty's Edge

Purple Shade wrote:
Blue Star wrote:
Snorter wrote:
Blue Star wrote:
Black and silver are only cool until You've gone to a transformers convention.

What about purple?

Purple's a good villain colour, right?

"Tremble before the Purple Impaler!"

That one stops being cool when you realize it's just a dark shade of pink. Plus there's all those jokes about your junk.

So not true! There is no pink ;)

Besides, violet is really closer to a shade of blue (but it actually has it's own 'light wave' - so really, with the minus green colour, it would be better to say that it's a type of purple than the other way arround.)

Purple wins. Mu-wa, ha, ha. ;)

Edit: And Purple, is the colour of death, wisdom, mournig, evening, winter, wine and royalty - that sounds like a sneaky, rich, murderous villan to me. - I wouldn't mind sharing my name with those... Provided the sneaky part always applies.

Actually, until around the 1940's last century or so

Pink was manly.

Think about it. It is the color of blood and sweat. What could be more manly than that?


Darkwing Duck wrote:

The only source of yours that I can find substantiated (by which I mean the only source of yours which I can find what appears to be several independent sources for*) is that purple is the color of mourning in Thailand. I can't find any independent sources of Twain's claim (Twain may have been wrong). Half mourning required muted colors (some shades of purple are muted, but that's not the same as saying that purple is the color of mourning).

Its cool to learn that about Thailand, though.

Ah! Well in that case, I am very glad that you have gotten to learn something new. :)

However I think there are some misunderstanding to clear up.
-First, I wasn't really trying to make 'claims', more just quickly listing, the things I have heard purple to be.
-Second, When I used the word 'the' I was using it as a general term, a filler so that I could quickly write a sentence. The term I should have used, and what I meant to use, was 'a'.
(I know it might sound silly given how much I wrote when I replied to you, but I honestly was mostly trying to avoid going off-topic. Especially with my first post. The list really was also an 'edited in' after thought, as it states. XP )

For mourning in particular, to be clear: I never was trying to list it as The colour of mourning, just a colour of mourning. And, my quick blurb on it, was never meant to be scrutinized very seriously. XP - And my last reply to you (in case I haven't made it clear enough) was not a refutation to what you said, nor was it intended to be didactic of all symbolism for all/any of the colours. It was to reference to minor symbolism of one of the colours, my beloved colour.

Something else that need clarity: When mentioned the bit about Twain, I wasn't trying to use him as a reference. It was because what I found suggested, that in his book it was historically fictitious.
I was laying bare that Twain had brought misinformation into 'common knowledge' and that this skewed facts a little, and may have been one reason there are more references to it (as even 'a' colour of mourning), than perhaps are appropriate. In short, I was trying to let you know, as a sort of aside, that some information on the topic might be skewed due to that. I make a habit of being very honest, especially when mentioning things I've found out.

*As an aside, yes I do understand the issues with web/wiki references (though this is not always the case, and some articles are VERY thoroughly sourced - not all are, which is why checking references is important.)However, in this case, I wasn't trying to use the link to make and back a solid point. I was just trying to tell you (as quickly as I could) what I did know about the subject, along with what a quick and informal search revealed (I was 'linking' merely to be kind, as opposed to 'sourcing' which is 'linking to show evidence'.)

[Okay, I hope that's all cleared up now, and I can stop cringing.]


ciretose wrote:

Actually, until around the 1940's last century or so

Pink was manly.

Think about it. It is the color of blood and sweat. What could be more manly than that?

What women don't bleed and sweat? ;P [I tease] I'm sure both sexes do those things.

- It seem to me (just a personal observation) that has in the last decade, been becoming a more 'manly' colour again, I see a lot of teenage boys wearing pink shirts, or pink accented hats and shoes.
---

However, it works out well (IMO) if pink is manly. Then there's no social obligation for me to wear it, and no social stigma if it's a little boy's favourite colour. (since it's already fairly established that little girls aren't going to be mocked for wearing any colour :) )


Purple Shade wrote:
ciretose wrote:

Actually, until around the 1940's last century or so

Pink was manly.

Think about it. It is the color of blood and sweat. What could be more manly than that?

What women don't bleed and sweat? ;P [I tease] I'm sure both sexes do those things.

- It seem to me (just a personal observation) that has in the last decade, been becoming a more 'manly' colour again, I see a lot of teenage boys wearing pink shirts, or pink accented hats and shoes.
---

However, it works out well (IMO) if pink is manly. Then there's no social obligation for me to wear it, and no social stigma if it's a little boy's favourite colour. (since it's already fairly established that little girls aren't going to be mocked for wearing any colour :) )

Those were incredibly sexist times.


Purple Shade wrote:
ciretose wrote:

Actually, until around the 1940's last century or so

Pink was manly.

Think about it. It is the color of blood and sweat. What could be more manly than that?

What women don't bleed and sweat? ;P [I tease] I'm sure both sexes do those things.

- It seem to me (just a personal observation) that has in the last decade, been becoming a more 'manly' colour again, I see a lot of teenage boys wearing pink shirts, or pink accented hats and shoes.
---

However, it works out well (IMO) if pink is manly. Then there's no social obligation for me to wear it, and no social stigma if it's a little boy's favourite colour. (since it's already fairly established that little girls aren't going to be mocked for wearing any colour :) )

A lot of boys/men wore pink in the 80s, too.

Liberty's Edge

Darkwing Duck wrote:
Purple Shade wrote:
ciretose wrote:

Actually, until around the 1940's last century or so

Pink was manly.

Think about it. It is the color of blood and sweat. What could be more manly than that?

What women don't bleed and sweat? ;P [I tease] I'm sure both sexes do those things.

- It seem to me (just a personal observation) that has in the last decade, been becoming a more 'manly' colour again, I see a lot of teenage boys wearing pink shirts, or pink accented hats and shoes.
---

However, it works out well (IMO) if pink is manly. Then there's no social obligation for me to wear it, and no social stigma if it's a little boy's favourite colour. (since it's already fairly established that little girls aren't going to be mocked for wearing any colour :) )

A lot of boys/men wore pink in the 80s, too.

The 80's were a dark time in fashion...

Lantern Lodge

On the topic of ability scores. Could there be feats added that allow you to use Cha in place of Wis, and vice versa? May be even allow the swapping of other stats? like Intel in place of Dex and so forth?

They could be specific changes, like 1 feat could allow you to use Cha in place of Wis for Will saves, while another allow you to use Cha in place of Wis for Spellcasting. Or 1 feat for allowing Int in place of Dex for reflex save and another allows you to use Int in place of Dex for say Disable Device skill.

The more changes you want, the more feats you have to spend for it.

The ideal is to give more options to players, especially if they want to Role-Play certain kind of characters. They can get these changes, but they have to "pay" for them using feats.

Shadow Lodge

They did this in 3E, and in my experience, it led to some classes dumping even more stats and didn't really help the ones that needed more stats (and don't have the extra feats also).


Snorter wrote:

Villain Points.

Like Hero Points, but come in cooler colours.

The problem with this is that you're basically going to have to waste high level spell slots to get him to blow through his points, highly unsatisfying (he isn't going to waste them on martial attacks, there's too many after all).

It would be a lot more satisfying for everyone concerned if direct damage made the BBEG more likely to succumb to a SoD, it doesn't make the fighter who just took 200 HP off the guy feel like he wasted his time.

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