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I know, it seems like apples and oranges, but let me explain.
Words of power is a system in which you can piece together magical parts and make a spell, right? Try and replicate an old spell, and you will come up with something that is similar to the old spell, but not quite. Which was fine, because that wasn't what the system was about, it wasn't about remaking old spells, it was about making new ones.
So why is the Race Builder trying to do something it shouldn't?
Maybe you say: But goblins, you should be able to remake halflings with this system! And I'll say:
Yes, yes you should be able to. But you should be able to create new races with it as well. And you should be able to make monstrous races, like trolls, without racial hit dice, and see how those measure up. But instead of looking at all the parts lying in a pile, and building up the races from there, you took the preexisting core races, and broke them down in such a way that each core race had to come out to the same point amount. You tried making the race builder do something it cannot do: Make the core races fit into neat and tidy little boxes.
You didn't make this mistake with some other fan favorites: Aasimar and Tieflings, easily the two races everyone knows are just a little better, but not by much. And you didn't deny it. You took the tools and built those races up to their point totals, knowing that they would come out just a little better, instead of taking the components out of those races and tossing them into the pile, which is what happened here with the core races. (Heck, it might have even happened with the Aasimar and Tiefling, but no one has ever denied that they are slightly more powerful.)
I don't believe that the core races are going to be built up from a pile of tools that don't exactly match them and come out to be the same point totals.
I want to give a clearer example of what I am talking about
Elf Immunities should be something someone comes to the board with, and says: Look! Look! I made this racial ability with all the parts given to us, and it is like the Elf's immunities! I took that one ability that makes you immune to (some list of magic effects, like fear, sleep, sickness, paralysis, etc.) and chose sleep! It cost me (xRP)! And then, I took this other ability, the one that gives you a +2 racial bonus on saving throws made against (a specific school of magic) spells and effects, I chose Enchantment, and that cost me (xRP)! Oh boy! And when I added all these other abilities together, and made the Elf with these tools, it cost (xRP) amount, which is not the same as the human, or the gnome, or the dwarf, because why would it make any sense that those races, which are so very, very different from each other, have ever come out to be the same cost? And you know what?
That's okay. *Breathe*
This comes from a lot of places. There should be a racial ability that any race can receive a +1 racial bonus to all their saving throws, not just halflings or the halfling subtype. And if I am making a skill based character? It is just odd that I could purchase Adaptable, Bonus Feat, two skill bonuses and Integrated, all of which can do similar things but at drastically different prices.
Am I making any sense here?
This is so odd, I usually playtest these before having comments, complaints, suggestions, but I feel like, if we are going to go into this pretending like the core races all would come out to cost the same thing, then the only thing that needs to be playtested are the rules for challenging advanced and monstrous races (which look awesome, btw) and any new abilities.
Hey, I am open to being told and convinced "No, you are wrong," if it is followed up by: "And here is why," And please, discussion, not hatred.
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I'm sorry GoblinsEightyFive. I know you want to be told you're wrong, and that would lead to a discussion. But no-one is going to do that. Hell hath frozen over, and the entire forums are in agreement on this point.
It's.... really weird. But there's nothing to discuss when everyone agrees. You're just right, and everyone knows it. Done. Peace is boring. :-)
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It's still important that this stuff is voiced. I know, it's amazing. Everyone agrees.
Everyone but Paizo themselves.
It's still important that this stuff is voiced. I know, it's amazing. Everyone agrees.
Everyone but Paizo themselves.
They will agree with us on this. Sooner or later...
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I'm frightened by this turn of events, and AM is out back crying the MANLIEST tears.
Everyone but Paizo themselves.
No longer true. Complete forum harmony has now been achieved.
Behold utopia.
I'm frightened by this turn of events, and AM is out back crying the MANLIEST tears.
You should hand him Kamina shades to hide them behind
"Ion Raven"]You should hand him Kamina shades to hide them behind
I should. Know where I can find a pair this time on a Thursday?
I saw a CASTY over there. Maybe smashing it would make him feel better.
They are tears of pride at the togetherness of the Paizo community. It's like seeing a swarm of CASTYS all asleep in their rope trick. A present that makes one so happy they cry manly tears.
It's still important that this stuff is voiced. I know, it's amazing. Everyone agrees.
Everyone but Paizo themselves.
False. Claims of complete agreement are not true.