I am not sure if I recall correctly but can't you still do it if your ninja level is 4 levels higher than his barbarian level? Or is that only for sneak attack vs other rogues?
You can flank if 4 levels higher, but not flat-foot him without feinting or catching him immobile.
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THIS AM COME UP BEFORE. NOWHERE IN RULES AM THERE PENALTY FOR NOT SLEEPING. AM ONLY THERE FOR WALKING TOO MUCH. BARBARIAN AM NOT NEED SLEEP PER RAW. JUST NOT WALK TOO FAR. OR TAKE TEENY NONLETHAL DAMAGE WHICH DAMAGE REDUCTION AM STOP.This, and barbarians always make their save. Even a DC 65 save is a success if you roll a 20.
Anyway, are sleeping barbarian flat-footed? Per RAW, they are flat-footed only when immobile. Do barbarians move while dreaming?
By RAW sleeping == helpless. Helpless sets your Dex to 0, and Dex 0 means immobile.
@Gilfalas: No. That's only for sneak attack from flanking.
OMFG are we really QQing about Uncanny Dodge being overpowered now?
AMPARRENTLY SO.
Why is it so many of you seem to forget Improved Feint?? A few have mentioned it, but seems to get over looked.
"This attempt automatically fails if the target recognizes the ninja as an enemy."
"The death attack fails if the target detects the assassin or recognizes the assassin as an enemy"
Maybe you can snow your GM with a shout of "RAW", and note that the feint rules don't require that the opponent see the feint for it to work, but those of us who live in the land of logic expect a really, really good explanation as to how you're going to trick the barbarian with a mock attack that is mistaken for a real one without the barbarian thinking he's under attack and thus that you're an enemy.
Why is it so many of you seem to forget Improved Feint?? A few have mentioned it, but seems to get over looked."This attempt automatically fails if the target recognizes the ninja as an enemy."
"The death attack fails if the target detects the assassin or recognizes the assassin as an enemy"
Maybe you can snow your GM with a shout of "RAW", and note that the feint rules don't require that the opponent see the feint for it to work, but those of us who live in the land of logic expect a really, really good explanation as to how you're going to trick the barbarian with a mock attack that is mistaken for a real one without the barbarian thinking he's under attack and thus that you're an enemy.
Greater Feint allows someone else to feint for you. If they succeed, the target is FF against all attacks until the start of their next turn. Barbarian never notices that you are threat until your dagger is in his throat (or your spear in his nether-regions, as the case may be).
Greater Feint allows someone else to feint for you.
And I didn't criticize people suggesting that. I criticized the guy suggesting Improved Feint.
"Oh no, I can't cause a target equivalent to me in power die with a single hit before he has a chance to act!" : p
Okay, smarmy aside, there are some ways to do this.
* Have an ally with Greater Feint dupe the Barbarian
* Attack a Barbarian of significantly lower level than you. Toward this aim, if you can cause a Barbarian to experience level loss, then I seem to recall that he counts as lower level. I recommend an energy drain trap to maintain theme.
* Cause the Barbarian to become Helpless, such as with certain Sleep effects.
It's no more unfair than certain creatures having immunity to Sneak Attack, or creatures being immune to channeling, etc. Heck, this is even easier to deal with.
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You should hear me IRL.
Thanks for the warning, dude. Two hours just evaporated in a cloud of temporal pixie dust. >.<
SM
The Community thinks?!I *ALWAYS* see the glass half full.
You're not drinking enough.
I am just amused by the level of specificity in this week's episode of nerdrage. We have here an argument about whether or not a character should be denied his DEX bonus to AC while squatting in an outhouse. For real.
"I would be incensed if my DM tried to take away my DEX bonus to AC while my character was squatting in an outhouse!"
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Uncanny dodge is uncanny dodge.
Barbarians have something which is equivalent to spider sense.
Cry about it.
Please.
So I can laugh.
^^^ This.
-- The entire point of Uncanny Dodge is that it gets your ass off the hook when it "logically" shouldn't. Such as the spear up the bum while in the outhouse scenario. A good DM will on-the-fly ad-lib a little explanation of how your character was able to notice something fishy. E.g., "Not even the overwhelming fecal aroma is able to mask the assassin's unfortunate choice of cologne!"
Uncanny Dodge is what makes barbarians cool -- always kicking butt in the surprise round. (You have to be getting a lot of mileage out of your archetype choices to trade UD away.)