Ok so where does Jackman rate on the Hateraid scale? Above or Below Whedon?Damn you, Hugh Jackman!!! Will I never be free of you?!?!?!!!I've found that beefcake is just as easy to find as cheesecake.Here is my belief
if female warrior types (Fighters, Rangers, Paladins, Clerics and yes even barbarians) in chain mail bikini's, then the male's need to be portraid in Chainmail speedo's even if they are a paladin. OH and they all have to be built as if they ripped ala Conan
It's really easy to find big muscular power dudes in fantasy art.
Counterpoint: these pictures are also made for men, not women.
This isn't what most women enjoy. That's what men enjoy. This is what women enjoy. And I'm not seeing much Brad Pit in fantasy art.
No, I do not enjoy Brad pitt, i enjoy This or This Guy
I've never liked Brad Pitt. I like older more mature men
Oh, far, far below. Part of it is my h8r8n for Wolverine(or rather, what Wolverine has become over the years), the other part of it is the squealing fangirl stuff. My wife swears it's jealousy, but I flatly deny that!
HA, I had kinda forgot but this post reminded me of one time a GM running a Warhammer game made the female characters all roll a d4 for bust size. A-D for the numbers and the guys had to roll 2d6-1 for... well yeah... the guy that rolled snake eyes was not amused. :)Now there's a tough woman!Dahar, of course, she be not quite as tough because of her penalty to physical attribute scores...
But a nice, high result on the bust-size roll!
Dahar...
ROTFL!!!!!
HA, I had kinda forgot but this post reminded me of one time a GM running a Warhammer game made the female characters all roll a d4 for bust size. A-D for the numbers
Psha... PSHA I say! Everyone knows that bust size is supposed to be rolled with exploding dice! ;)
You wear a leather thong under it you sill boys. Even Male Beefcake Barbarians do it this way. I imagine it would hurt them just as bad.That sounds like a tourture device and it might chafe really badly.Chainmail bikinis are nothing special. My respect goes to those brave women who wear chainmail THONGS!
12 hours on horseback with a chain up your crack! Now there's a tough woman!
In one of the incarnations of my all-female game, the players became the foil of a monk/cleric of Waukeen who had a gold-coin chain shirt. My players argued that no woman would ever wear something like that, as it would pinch sensitive flesh. I said that she would wear something underneath so that it wouldn't hurt nearly as much, although I conceded it would be quite, quite heavy. One of my players challenged me to run a city block wearing essentially a coin codpiece. I agreed to do this, although noone has made a coin codpiece for me as of yet- I'm sure it's not exactly easy to make and probably aint cheap, but I'm still all for it- I'll have to work out a bit so I don't embarrass myself in my coin-speedo, though.
HA, I had kinda forgot but this post reminded me of one time a GM running a Warhammer game made the female characters all roll a d4 for bust size. A-D for the numbers and the guys had to roll 2d6-1 for... well yeah... the guy that rolled snake eyes was not amused. :)Now there's a tough woman!Dahar, of course, she be not quite as tough because of her penalty to physical attribute scores...
But a nice, high result on the bust-size roll!
Dahar...
That's the simplest system I've seen.
Unlike the heavy math one I have seen.
HA, I had kinda forgot but this post reminded me of one time a GM running a Warhammer game made the female characters all roll a d4 for bust size. A-D for the numbers and the guys had to roll 2d6-1 for... well yeah... the guy that rolled snake eyes was not amused. :)Now there's a tough woman!Dahar, of course, she be not quite as tough because of her penalty to physical attribute scores...
But a nice, high result on the bust-size roll!
Dahar...
That's the simplest system I've seen.
Unlike the heavy math one I have seen.
That's...elegant in its simplicity.
I've had a GM that made us make those rolls. For guys it was 3d4. For the girls, 1d6. Orcs and goblins got to roll on a 'subhuman traits' table upt to two times, which had a result that could double their aforementioned numbers. One goblin character got high on his initial roll, then rolled the 'impress da laydeez' trait twice. That was a very strange game. Looking back, I don't know why I stuck with it.
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There's also the option for awesome, badass female characters that aren't sexy at all, or aren't designed with sex appeal in mind. Brienne of Tarth isn't any less awesome for her appearance. Male characters go that route plenty of times after all.
Rule 36 notwithstanding of course.
I've had a GM that made us make those rolls. For guys it was 3d4. For the girls, 1d6. Orcs and goblins got to roll on a 'subhuman traits' table upt to two times, which had a result that could double their aforementioned numbers. One goblin character got high on his initial roll, then rolled the 'impress da laydeez' trait twice. That was a very strange game. Looking back, I don't know why I stuck with it.
Gulga the Goblin Tripod was just that endearing a party member?
He was very upset by the number of monsters that used grab attacks.
I'm going to stop now. Back to your women in reasonable armour!
For one example, I play a vain sorceress that fits many of the stereotypes but doesn't reveal the tiniest bit of skin beneath the neck. She has issues. She is attractive but uses peoples' expectation that sorceresses are stunning to cover herself without losing appeal. It works, more often than not.
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Why hate Hugh? He's Good looking, seems to have a personality, and he has that ever so sexy Aussie accent. OH and he is not married to a bimbo name Angelina, not that he is not married, just not to the Bimbo Pitt is. But that's not why I don't like Pitt, I just don't like him, he is not my type :)
And now I have to ask, why the Angelina hate?
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Well, if anyone - man or woman - is going to be roughing it out in the wilderness or dungeons, I'd expect them to dress sensibly. For example, if you are going to be trekking through an overgrown forest or even grassland, you'll need something to cover your feet and most of your legs. You most likely wouldn't dress for a hiking trip or a battle in the same things you wear on a ball or when you want to spice up your sex life.
I remember seeing a black-and-white picture of two women, plate armor with all the accessories (helms, I think tabards, and so on) chancing upon a CBB (chainmail bikini babe). There was a caption of one of them saying "I say we kill her on general principle". Can anyone find a link? My google-fu seems to be weak today.
Edit: ah, that site had a copy of it. Here it is, in case anyone wants a laugh: http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/9105566008/1/tumblr_lq5kl0nc2w1r1g5m2
So this means my DM was wrong and chainmail comes in forms other than bikini? ;)
No, your GM was entirely correct. :P
Why hate Hugh? He's Good looking, seems to have a personality, and he has that ever so sexy Aussie accent. OH and he is not married to a bimbo name Angelina, not that he is not married, just not to the Bimbo Pitt is. But that's not why I don't like Pitt, I just don't like him, he is not my type :)And now I have to ask, why the Angelina hate?
Indeed. I loves me some Angelina.
Well, if anyone - man or woman - is going to be roughing it out in the wilderness or dungeons, I'd expect them to dress sensibly. For example, if you are going to be trekking through an overgrown forest or even grassland, you'll need something to cover your feet and most of your legs. You most likely wouldn't dress for a hiking trip or a battle in the same things you wear on a ball or when you want to spice up your sex life.
I remember seeing a black-and-white picture of two women, plate armor with all the accessories (helms, I think tabards, and so on) chancing upon a CBB (chainmail bikini babe). There was a caption of one of them saying "I say we kill her on general principle". Can anyone find a link? My google-fu seems to be weak today.
Edit: ah, that site had a copy of it. Here it is, in case anyone wants a laugh: linkified
:)
As much as we joke about it, I don't recall any players in my games making any Sonja types, or even Seoni types.
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Why hate Hugh? He's Good looking, seems to have a personality, and he has that ever so sexy Aussie accent. OH and he is not married to a bimbo name Angelina, not that he is not married, just not to the Bimbo Pitt is. But that's not why I don't like Pitt, I just don't like him, he is not my type :)And now I have to ask, why the Angelina hate?
Oh let me count the ways.
1.) Adopt an American kid, their are hundreds of Thousands of them here that need a home.
2.) Don't steel another womans man
3.) Don't be a Bimbo (yes I think she is a Bimbo)
4.) Learn to act
5.) Don't Tattoo your lovers name on your body unless you plan on staying with them until the day you die.
6.) Don't adopted then pop a another baby with a man you stole from another woman.
7.) Don't keep injecting those fake lips of your's, you look like a Sucker Fish.
How is that for a list.
I can add that I don't like Pitt because of all the same reasons... or most.
No I am not jealous in any way. I have a GF who is the spitting image of Angelina and she has never modified her body accept to get too many tattoo's or to chop her hair short so she did not look like Angelina
Brienne of Tarth isn't any less awesome for her appearance. Male characters go that route plenty of times after all.
Rule 36 notwithstanding of course.
Ooh! Ooh!
An internet rule, that's not Rule 34 or Rule 63?Educate me, please, Mistress Mikaze!
<clap hands>
If it exists, someone has a fetish for it. No Exceptions.
Seriously, you don't even have to click a link to find it on google.
Brienne of Tarth isn't any less awesome for her appearance. Male characters go that route plenty of times after all.
Rule 36 notwithstanding of course.
Ooh! Ooh!
An internet rule, that's not Rule 34 or Rule 63?Educate me, please, Mistress Mikaze!
<clap hands>
If it exists, someone has a fetish for it. No Exceptions.
Seriously, you don't even have to click a link to find it on google.
Ooh! Ooh!
An internet rule, that's not Rule 34 or Rule 63?Educate me, please, Mistress Mikaze!
<clap hands>
OH DAMMIT
AGAIN
ROTFL!!
Oh let me count the ways.
1.) Adopt an American kid, their are hundreds of Thousands of them here that need a home.
2.) Don't steel another womans man
3.) Don't be a Bimbo (yes I think she is a Bimbo)
4.) Learn to act
5.) Don't Tattoo your lovers name on your body unless you plan on staying with them until the day you die.
6.) Don't adopted then pop a another baby with a man you stole from another woman.
7.) Don't keep injecting those fake lips of your's, you look like a Sucker Fish.
How is that for a list
Middling, since it left out that she made out with her brother in public.
1.) Adopt an American kid, their are hundreds of Thousands of them here that need a home.
Yes let us focus on the real crime, not enough white babies are being adopted over minorities, we need to literally I cannot finish this without tasting bile, what is wrong with you.
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Standards for American adoption are a lot higher. Third world countries by comparison give their orphans away. Especially in Korea where children of mixed race aren't wanted by anybody. My spouse was a Korean mixed-race adoptee when those were in the rage in the 70's.
1.) Adopt an American kid, their are hundreds of Thousands of them here that need a home.
Yes standards to keep children safer and to good loving homes. This is were I respect people like Sandra Bullock who adopted an american child. no he was not the same race as her, but she got him from New Orleans which I applaud. I never ONCE said anything about race, nor would I. There are children of ALL types here that need homes just as much as ones over seas. Adopt an American child and you save YOUR tax dollars of support for that child. We as a country (going political here) care more for other countries and other people than our own. A great example. Haiti got how much money from Celebraties? Joplin, Missouri got how much? The people in joplin are now getting the money slated for them from FEMA to go to those who suffered from Irene. The people of Louisiana are STILL suffering from Katrina. So yes adopted American children who need homes regardless of race, gender, background(End of Political)
As for making out with her brother I have one thing to say about that... EWWWWW! That makes her even worse.
So lets not turn this into a political thread about adoptions and etc, it is about females in nice suits of armor and not bikini's I just was asked why I did not like Angelina so I said it.
Concerning females in armor, no female in history, not in a Viking womoan, Joan of Arc, Boudica ran about in chain mail bikini's. They wore armor or furs that covered their body. Anybody with half a brain knows it offers more protection. Just think of a person on a motorcycle in leather and helmet that wreaks compared to one in say a... bikini? Who has the greater chance of survival and less damage/trauma? The one in leather and a helmet.
But none the less IF while wearing armor or more clothing and you took damage from a sword or arrow, that wound MIGHT get infected easier than if you had none. During the ACW many men died not from the bullet, but from the cloth that entered in the wound with the billet. This caused infection and thus they suffered more. SO it is always possible that being in armor or protection you might suffer more, but you have a lesser chance of trauma because of protection.
Standards for American adoption are a lot higher. Third world countries by comparison give their orphans away. Especially in Korea where children of mixed race aren't wanted by anybody. My spouse was a Korean mixed-race adoptee when those were in the rage in the 70's.
1.) Adopt an American kid, their are hundreds of Thousands of them here that need a home.Yes standards to keep children safer and to good loving homes. This is were I respect people like Sandra Bullock who adopted an american child. no he was not the same race as her, but she got him from New Orleans which I applaud. I never ONCE said anything about race, nor would I. There are children of ALL types here that need homes just as much as ones over seas. Adopt an American child and you save YOUR tax dollars of support for that child. We as a country (going political here) care more for other countries and other people than our own. A great example. Haiti got how much money from Celebraties? Joplin, Missouri got how much? The people in joplin are now getting the money slated for them from FEMA to go to those who suffered from Irene. The people of Louisiana are STILL suffering from Katrina. So yes adopted American children who need homes regardless of race, gender, background(End of Political)
As for making out with her brother I have one thing to say about that... EWWWWW! That makes her even worse.
So lets not turn this into a political thread about adoptions and etc, it is about females in nice suits of armor and not bikini's I just was asked why I did not like Angelina so I said it.
Concerning females in armor, no female in history, not in a Viking womoan, Joan of Arc, Boudica ran about in chain mail bikini's. They wore armor or furs that covered their body. Anybody with half a brain knows it offers more protection. Just think of a person on a motorcycle in leather and helmet that wreaks compared to one in say a... bikini? Who has the greater chance of survival and less...
What about cosplayers that wear unrealistic armor are they not women?
...Standards for American adoption are a lot higher. Third world countries by comparison give their orphans away. Especially in Korea where children of mixed race aren't wanted by anybody. My spouse was a Korean mixed-race adoptee when those were in the rage in the 70's.
1.) Adopt an American kid, their are hundreds of Thousands of them here that need a home.Yes standards to keep children safer and to good loving homes. This is were I respect people like Sandra Bullock who adopted an american child. no he was not the same race as her, but she got him from New Orleans which I applaud. I never ONCE said anything about race, nor would I. There are children of ALL types here that need homes just as much as ones over seas. Adopt an American child and you save YOUR tax dollars of support for that child. We as a country (going political here) care more for other countries and other people than our own. A great example. Haiti got how much money from Celebraties? Joplin, Missouri got how much? The people in joplin are now getting the money slated for them from FEMA to go to those who suffered from Irene. The people of Louisiana are STILL suffering from Katrina. So yes adopted American children who need homes regardless of race, gender, background(End of Political)
As for making out with her brother I have one thing to say about that... EWWWWW! That makes her even worse.
So lets not turn this into a political thread about adoptions and etc, it is about females in nice suits of armor and not bikini's I just was asked why I did not like Angelina so I said it.
Concerning females in armor, no female in history, not in a Viking women, Joan of Arc, Boudicca ran about in chain mail bikini's. They wore armor or furs that covered their body. Anybody with half a brain knows it offers more protection. Just think of a person on a motorcycle in leather and helmet that wreaks compared to one in say a... bikini? Who has the greater chance
I can't comment on cospaly as I have never encountered anything like them. I can say however that if a woman shows up onto a SCA field without the correct protection she will not be allowed to play.
To me the sca armor requirements are what most fighters would wear because they were modeled after the medieval time period.
Mind you I do understand the difference between a high fantasy game vs what the sca tries to do in being historically accurate but I have found that you can really get a better feel for the game buy knowing the time period it's very loosely based off of.
Basically we all know that chain mail bikinis and loin cloth wearing muscle dudes are all fantasy so whats the problem? If you want an idea of what a fighter that happens to be female would wear go to your local SCA event and ask them.
Has anybody considered that art (and this applies to "real" art and not just illustrations in game-books) depicts unrealistic armour because, you know, it's art and not a photograph.
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So what is your solution to the hundreds of thousands of American babies needing adoption Cirno?
I would respond with "What's your solution to the hundreds of babies in other countries needing adoption?"
I would then continue with "If someone is going to adopt children, why the hell would you reprimand them for it?! Oh boo goddamn hoo it's not from your country of choice, they're still giving a kid a better chance at life and you're giving them crap over it? You are literally scum."
Edited once I realized I was falling into the fallacy of 'American = white'.
Not really a fallacy if that's how most of the country thinks. Not saying I agree! But that's how it works.
MORE PRETTY LADY ART. IN NICE OUTFITS. NOW.
MORE PRETTY LADY ART. IN NICE OUTFITS. NOW.
How about adopted half-koreans in chain mail bikinis? Cross both threads?
MORE PRETTY LADY ART. IN NICE OUTFITS. NOW.How about adopted half-koreans in chain mail bikinis? Cross both threads?
In the spirit of compromise, I endorse this.
My favourite "sensibly dressed warrior woman" picture is the cover of "Dragons of Winter Night". Well, one sensibly dressed and one semi-sensibly dressed woman.
MORE PRETTY LADY ART. IN NICE OUTFITS. NOW.How about adopted half-koreans in chain mail bikinis? Cross both threads?
I might be able to arrange this.
But since this is the sensible clothing thread, she has to at least be wearing trousers.
Hogarth: that's a nice one with a classic feel.
MORE PRETTY LADY ART. IN NICE OUTFITS. NOW.How about adopted half-koreans in chain mail bikinis? Cross both threads?I might be able to arrange this.
But since this is the sensible clothing thread, she has to at least be wearing trousers.
Here is a quick and dirty sketch. She is half-Korean, half-elven.
Her reasonable armor is being polished.
I don't know how the real-world discussion got into the thread, but it should stop. If you really want to talk about it, and think a gaming website is the best venue for some reason, take it to Off-topic.
A friend of mine sent this over to me.
Its images of sexy women in reasonable armor.
Since when POUCHES POUCHES POUCHES are reasonable? That's an almost Liefeldian level of pouches you have there.
It got into the thread by way of Angelina Jolie for the record.
I apologize for any inappropriateness on my part (unintended. In complete honesty I barely read the posts that didn't have links to fantasy art, and realize in retrospect I may have picked up on the end of a discussion that was far more serious than I realized).
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It got into the thread by way of Angelina Jolie for the record.
I apologize for any inappropriateness on my part (unintended. In complete honesty I barely read the posts that didn't have links to fantasy art, and realize in retrospect I may have picked up on the end of a discussion that was far more serious than I realized).
Actually it started with Brad Pitt and that rolled into and why's there of and quickly got hijacked to something other. And thus whay I tried to head it back out of that and away and towards the subject.
I'm just for equilty, what is good for the men with women in chain mail bikini's is is good for the females with men in nothing but leather loin cloths.
My appologies if I offended anyone, not my intention or start.
I'm just for equilty, what is good for the men with women in chain mail bikini's is is good for the females with men in nothing but leather loin cloths.
Agreed wholeheartedly, but I do want to add that some women like the other women in bikinis and some men like other men in loincloths. And some like all of that and then some. :) But as long as everybody gets the same treatment, right?
I like the photo of Nicole Leigh posted on Aug 31st the best- reminds me of my lady, but in armor! :)
Agreed wholeheartedly, but I do want to add that some women like the other women in bikinis and some men like other men in loincloths. And some like all of that and then some. :) But as long as everybody gets the same treatment, right?
I'm just for equilty, what is good for the men with women in chain mail bikini's is is good for the females with men in nothing but leather loin cloths.
Sure but that also means we need to have some Inter-sexed individuals, cross dressing individuals, transgenders, etc represented in our fantasy art.
Sure but that also means we need to have some Inter-sexed individuals, cross dressing individuals, transgenders, etc represented in our fantasy art.Agreed wholeheartedly, but I do want to add that some women like the other women in bikinis and some men like other men in loincloths. And some like all of that and then some. :) But as long as everybody gets the same treatment, right?
I'm just for equilty, what is good for the men with women in chain mail bikini's is is good for the females with men in nothing but leather loin cloths.
And the problem with that would be?
Sure but that also means we need to have some Inter-sexed individuals, cross dressing individuals, transgenders, etc represented in our fantasy art.Agreed wholeheartedly, but I do want to add that some women like the other women in bikinis and some men like other men in loincloths. And some like all of that and then some. :) But as long as everybody gets the same treatment, right?
I'm just for equilty, what is good for the men with women in chain mail bikini's is is good for the females with men in nothing but leather loin cloths.
What about the picture of Erzen with the girdle of opposite gender in the APG?
And the problem with that would be?Sure but that also means we need to have some Inter-sexed individuals, cross dressing individuals, transgenders, etc represented in our fantasy art.Agreed wholeheartedly, but I do want to add that some women like the other women in bikinis and some men like other men in loincloths. And some like all of that and then some. :) But as long as everybody gets the same treatment, right?
I'm just for equilty, what is good for the men with women in chain mail bikini's is is good for the females with men in nothing but leather loin cloths.
No problem at all I WANT that for my friends, and for my nephew who as a young person is struggling with his gender identity to see strong positive roles in a hobby he enjoys is awesome. My apologies if it came across in a negative light not my intention at all.
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Sure but that also means we need to have some Inter-sexed individuals, cross dressing individuals, transgenders, etc represented in our fantasy art.Agreed wholeheartedly, but I do want to add that some women like the other women in bikinis and some men like other men in loincloths. And some like all of that and then some. :) But as long as everybody gets the same treatment, right?
I'm just for equilty, what is good for the men with women in chain mail bikini's is is good for the females with men in nothing but leather loin cloths.
OK Vera de Milo in Breasts of Fury http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS8KCEFcY58