Great idea until you really think about it.
. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place.
"a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."
So I can hire anyone I want from anywhere and bring them here to do whatever labor I can get them to do, and have no worries that someone is going to try and stop me.
Which means I'm free to -- as my exercise in entrepreneurial spirit -- take a group of low paid people from poor countries move to his island and start a 'pirating business' where I attack other people's ships take their goods and then sell them for whatever I care too.
While I'm at it I think I'll kidnap this guy and hold him for ransom since it can't be against the law since it's my business model.
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That is so freaking cool.
I wonder if they need lawyers on their island. I was considering selling all my worldly possessions to become a gypsy, but this may be the next best thing.
What would they need lawyers for if there are no laws? :-p
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What would they need lawyers for if there are no laws? :-pThat is so freaking cool.
I wonder if they need lawyers on their island. I was considering selling all my worldly possessions to become a gypsy, but this may be the next best thing.
I...
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The plan to establish this lawless hellhole is an affront to man and god alike! People need laws, damnit! And someone to tell them what those laws say. And to snort their blow and consort with their hookers.
(I still think it sounds freaking cool).
And they will not actually try to stop us until it's too late.
Spoken like a true cartoonish villain.
Man, that is lame.
The Libs should, instead, rededicate themselves to focusing on the New Hampshire Free State Project so I can get my decriminalized weed!
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I torpedo Sebastian's boat on the way to the island...That is so freaking cool.
I wonder if they need lawyers on their island. I was considering selling all my worldly possessions to become a gypsy, but this may be the next best thing.
Please. Professional courtesy requires the other sharks to help me make it back to land.
Professional courtesy requires the other sharks to help me make it back to land.
Only to get set upon by socialist porpoises.
The commie dolphins say:
Eek eek! Click-click-click-eek-click-eek!
Interesting...of course, what's to stop someone from waltzing in with an army and taking over?
Great idea until you really think about it.
. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place."a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."So I can hire anyone I want from anywhere and bring them here to do whatever labor I can get them to do, and have no worries that someone is going to try and stop me.
Which means I'm free to -- as my exercise in entrepreneurial spirit -- take a group of low paid people from poor countries move to his island and start a 'pirating business' where I attack other people's ships take their goods and then sell them for whatever I care too.
While I'm at it I think I'll kidnap this guy and hold him for ransom since it can't be against the law since it's my business model.
i know that you joking and you're probably going to tell me how wrong I am, but there are flaws in your plan. First, you could pay them next to nothing. For a day or two. Then when they get hungry, they'll come looking for you. So you should probably pay them a little better. And you could become a pirate, for a month or two. Until someone bigger and better than you decides to come looking for their missing treasure. And besides, as a libertarian, you would never deprive someone else of their precious freedoms (in this case, the freedom to self-determinate), so not only is piracy a no -go logically, but ethically as well. Your plan sounds more of an exercise in Anarchy than libertarianism, but hey its your oil-rig.
(please note tounge FIRMLY planted in cheek)
Hot darn no laws to worry about. When can I get me a barely legal 18 yr old muscle boi to be my new slave. I want him blond and buff but not too bright so he doesn't worry about things like human rights. I promise I'll take very good care of him and once he's trained he will take very good care of me.
Ok now back to reality, as you can see from my above mentioned example any society with NO laws is doomed to failure. I can fully sympathise with and appreciate the argument that our current government here in the U.S. is too large and far too intrusive into our lives but one extreme does not call for the opposite.
Instead of tax cuts lets close some tax loop holes for EVERYBODY, corporations as well as the 50% of "poor" americans that don't pay ANY taxes whatsoever but yet get money back, thats insane!
thats what we need to fix as well as corporate welfare and tax breaks to send our jobs over seas again thats insane.
i know that you joking and you're probably going to tell me how wrong I am, but there are flaws in your plan. First, you could pay them next to nothing. For a day or two. Then when they get hungry, they'll come looking for you. So you should probably pay them a little better. And you could become a pirate, for a month or two. Until someone bigger and better than you decides to come looking for their missing treasure. And besides, as a libertarian, you would never deprive someone else of their precious freedoms (in this case, the freedom to self-determinate), so not only is piracy a no -go logically, but ethically as well. Your plan sounds more of an exercise in Anarchy than libertarianism, but hey its your oil-rig.
No morals remember? So I'm not doing anything ethically wrong. No laws or regulations so I'm still not doing anything wrong.
I don't have to pay them more, I simply have to feed them while they are working. In fact I could pay them in script and let them buy food from me with interest set in such a way as they always remain in debt without really explaining what's going on...
I'm sure you are familiar with the concept of corporate towns...
IN FACT: It might be cheaper to just pay some of them really well and work the rest as slaves (again not illegal or immoral since there is no moral code or laws to tell me otherwise).
And there is the break down -- everyone is socialist -- it's just a question of how much.
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...50% of "poor" americans that don't pay ANY taxes whatsoever but yet get money back...
Now in fairness, you realize they don't pay any federal income taxes, but still pay property tax, state income tax, sales tax, Social Security tax, Medicare, etc., right? Saying that 50% of the population doesn't pay "ANY taxes whatsoever" is misleading.
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I can fully sympathise with and appreciate the argument that our current government here in the U.S. is too large
ACTUALLY lets consider that a minute:
As of 2009 there were 307 million people in the USA. The total number of employees in the federal government was 1.9 million of which 1.6 million were military.
That leaves 300,000 for civilian services to service 307 million people. That's .1 percent for all government services that are not directly military (including the VA's office).
So we have .6666% of the population running the federal government -- no company has ever been able to have that low of a management population.
And there is the break down -- everyone is socialist -- it's just a question of how much.
Just ask the commie dolphins!
And there is the break down -- everyone is socialist -- it's just a question of how much.Just ask the commie dolphins!
I'm not talking to those foul-mouth cetaceans again until they all wash out their mouths with soap.
No morals remember? So I'm not doing anything ethically wrong. No laws or regulations so I'm still not doing anything wrong.
i know that you joking and you're probably going to tell me how wrong I am, but there are flaws in your plan. First, you could pay them next to nothing. For a day or two. Then when they get hungry, they'll come looking for you. So you should probably pay them a little better. And you could become a pirate, for a month or two. Until someone bigger and better than you decides to come looking for their missing treasure. And besides, as a libertarian, you would never deprive someone else of their precious freedoms (in this case, the freedom to self-determinate), so not only is piracy a no -go logically, but ethically as well. Your plan sounds more of an exercise in Anarchy than libertarianism, but hey its your oil-rig.
Even Libertarianism is an ethos. So yes your example is an example of Anarchy more than anything.
I don't have to pay them more, I simply have to feed them while they are working. In fact I could pay them in script and let them buy food from me with interest set in such a way as they always remain in debt without really explaining what's going on...I'm sure you are familiar with the concept of corporate towns...
So you are not talking about American libertarianism, then. Because the American version follows the Constitution which states that only the Government may print money.
IN FACT: It might be cheaper to just pay some of them really well and work the rest as slaves (again not illegal or immoral since there is no moral code or laws to tell me otherwise).
Would be cheaper, yes. For all of a week or so, when your slaves decide to uprise against your ethically bankrupt self. Once again you are describing Anarchy (no laws or morals) and not Libertarianism (minimum amount of laws necessary)
And there is the break down -- everyone is socialist -- it's just a question of how much.
Its true. I would never argue that.
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Perhaps you didn't actually read the article? I quoted it above: No laws, regulations or morals from other countries getting in the way.
So since it's not part of the USA and is specifically not part of the USA and explicitly not part of the USA then I wouldn't think that the laws of the USA would apply -- after all that's the whole point.
They are describing an anarchist state -- not me -- I'm just pointing out the stupid involved with such thinking.
They are specifically leaving all the 'baggage' in the other countries where it is -- they don't want those pesky laws, and they are the ones specifically, and explicitly saying so.
I could spread slander and lies... but why when the truth serves me so much better?
stuffsPerhaps you didn't actually read the article? I quoted it above: No laws, regulations or morals from other countries getting in the way.
So since it's not part of the USA and is specifically not part of the USA and explicitly not part of the USA then I wouldn't think that the laws of the USA would apply -- after all that's the whole point.
They are describing an anarchist state -- not me -- I'm just pointing out the stupid involved with such thinking.
They are specifically leaving all the 'baggage' in the other countries where it is -- they don't want those pesky laws, and they are the ones specifically, and explicitly saying so.
I could spread slander and lies... but why when the truth serves me so much better?
But then its not Libertarian is it? Libertarian does not equal no laws, no ethics, and no morals. That would be Anarchy. And anarchy is just silly. If this guy wants to set up an Anarchic society, watch it fail, then proclaim that libertarianism fails, then that would be very disingenious.
But then its not Libertarian is it? Libertarian does not equal no laws, no ethics, and no morals. That would be Anarchy. And anarchy is just silly. If this guy wants to set up an Anarchic society, watch it fail, then proclaim that libertarianism fails, then that would be very disingenious.
Actually it does -- go back and actually listen and read exactly what they keep asking for -- this is exactly it.
Like I said before I love libertarians -- they remind me exactly of communist.
The funny thing is all these 'libertarian paradise' ideas are actually centuries behind the communist in trying the exact same things.
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Once upon a time people couldn't imagine a world without religion running every part of our lives at the edge of a sword. Why is it so hard to conceive that one day people will live without a government running every part of their lives looking down the barrel of a gun?
Ummmm. Ooops. Sorry Sebastian. Smurf?
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The funny thing is all these 'libertarian paradise' ideas are actually centuries behind the communist in trying the exact same things.I think the greatest tragedy of humanity is our unfailing ability to ignore our own history and keep repeating the same mistakes over and over.
I think the greatest failing of society is our tragic inability to embrace Communism.
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I know that some people have highfalutin ideals that get tweaked one way or another by a thread like this.
It's refreshing to know, though, that Gary Teter doesn't care about all of that. He just doesn't want to overpay for his monocles.
I say! Bloody good show, sir!
However, don't think my admiration will be enough to protect your fake volcano base from being overrun by my ninja!
Now, if I can just figure out how this mini helicopter gets put together...
I'd be more impressed if they built it inside a volcano. And exported discount monocles.
The heat would be great for glass production...
and since there's no copywrite laws i'm stealing this
I didn't want the experiment to take place in New Hampshire, since there are too many people already living there who would be caught up in the disaster. Here all the experimental subjects will be volunteers.
If we got our weed decriminalized, we'd be able to ignore all the other effects of the disaster. Besides, most of us work in Massachusetts or Vermont anyways!
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Frankly, I'm very happy to hear about this.
I certainly hope that American libertarians and capitalist anarchists achieve their goal of establishing a non-state in which they can call home. With any luck, the Tea Party will also embrace this notion and migrate out of the country.
I'm also a firm supporter of the Christian Exodus movement, which plans to migrate every politically-motivated Christian fundamentalist to South Carolina and secede from the union. It would please me greatly if Rick Perry embraced this plan instead of running for president.
It seems clear that there are major ideological differences between the American left / moderate Republicans and the far right that has come to wield considerable power over the last couple decades. Instead of trying to negotiate with an implacable opponent, Democrats and moderate Republicans can work to restore the Keynesian economic policies that created decades of American prosperity between the Eisenhower and Nixon administrations.
The Tea Party, Libertarians, and other fringe groups on the right also benefit from such a plan, as they'll reap the benefits of their social experiments in theocracy and stateless governance.
To them, I say godspeed and good luck!
Frankly, I'm very happy to hear about this.
I certainly hope that American libertarians and capitalist anarchists achieve their goal of establishing a non-state in which they can call home. With any luck, the Tea Party will also embrace this notion and migrate out of the country.
you know, i think there's a fair bit of money to be made in a pneumatically powered rapturmatic catapult and bright light bug zapper that would achieve the same result at much lower costs.
...50% of "poor" americans that don't pay ANY taxes whatsoever but yet get money back...Now in fairness, you realize they don't pay any federal income taxes, but still pay property tax, state income tax, sales tax, Social Security tax, Medicare, etc., right? Saying that 50% of the population doesn't pay "ANY taxes whatsoever" is misleading.
Your right I stand corrected. I should have said any federal taxes but I made the mistake of not being precise in my speech.
The point still stands however that when 50% of the population doesn't pay any federal taxes but yet expects not only money back but more money than they paid in, that is a broken system.
Corporate welfare needs to go away, live or die buy your own strategies don't expect my tax dollars to bail you out.
To me it is beyond irresponsible to borrow money from china and then give it away to other countries in the form of foreign aid. Stop all borrowing AND stop all foreign aid until we are back to a better financial situation.
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I can fully sympathise with and appreciate the argument that our current government here in the U.S. is too largeACTUALLY lets consider that a minute:
As of 2009 there were 307 million people in the USA. The total number of employees in the federal government was 1.9 million of which 1.6 million were military.
That leaves 300,000 for civilian services to service 307 million people. That's .1 percent for all government services that are not directly military (including the VA's office).
So we have .6666% of the population running the federal government -- no company has ever been able to have that low of a management population.
A very interesting read.
I would still like to cut some of the dead wood from the federal government by getting rid of some of the more useless bodies. Top on my list The ATF, The dept of energy, then lets trim some of the programs like the dept of agriculture. Lets allow hemp to be grown in the U.S. again and lift a few regulations that the agricultural dept put in place like crop limits or paying farmers NOT to grow a specific crop.
I agree that the numbers look very slim but the reality in my opinion is that the federal government is still too large. I respect your facts and figures but numbers can be manipulated just like any other data.