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I'm looking at this performance feat, and it lets you make an Intimidation check to demoralize anyone within 30 feet.
Which is exactly what Dazzling Display does.
And Dazzling Display is a requirement for Hero's Display.
So why would you take this?
I mean, yes, it gives you a +2 on your Performance rolls, but so do all the other Displays. So what's the point of it?
I was wondering the same thing.
Saw it and thought about my Cavalier (Cockatrice) because he'll get Dazzling Display at level 2, as an oratory weapon of sorts.
It's a swift action, thus you can move and attack during the same turn.
Dazzling display is a full-round action.
It's a swift action, thus you can move and attack during the same turn.
Dazzling display is a full-round action.
Ah, I see.
Still seems fairly redundant. Wish all those feats didn't require Dazzling Display
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I would hardly say it was redundant.
Giving the shaken status as Area of Effect for a Swift Action suddenly makes it a lot more attractive.
Also, Some kind fighters take Dazzling Display line to help the Rogue - problem is, the fighter loses out on his attacks that round, with this he can still attack.
An archer Rogue with Shatter Defense and a Fighter giving the shaken effect as a swift action is a good combo.
In fact, it's a long wait to get there, but thanks to this feat, the Rogue Archer could take the line himself and Intimidate followed by 4 or 5 SA arrows in the same round - then do it AGAIN the next round (whereas with just Dazzling Display he has to wait until next round to get any benefit, this time he is getting to shoot 8-10 Arrows, at 5D6 extra each, in two rounds). So this feat removes the need of relying on someone else doing the display for you (assuming you are comfortable being within 30ft of some mobs)
I would hardly say it was redundant.
Giving the shaken status as Area of Effect for a Swift Action suddenly makes it a lot more attractive.
Ah, didn't notice it was a swift action when I looked at it. I will probably take it with my Dwarven Paladin next feat he gets at 13th, or take another level of Fighter at 12th.
So far my group has enjoyed,dare I say appreciated, my ability to to be a battlefield controller using Dazzling Display. I'm the only heavy armor character in the party other than someone's cohort Oracle who is spec'd like a 3.5 cleric of sorts.
As Asteldian said, above it stacks nicely with other debuffs, but I have had issues justifying the full-round action over attacking or more recently casting Bless (to stack with our Bard's Performance). Making it a swift action will be nice, but then compete with Lay on Hands and Smite, lol. It also stacks extremely well with Sickened if you have someone in the party who can dish that out. (I have a weapon that does it. ;) )
EDIT: I was about to say, "but it's a performance thing *sigh*"
... however the key words being...
to demoralize all foes within 30 feet who can see your display.
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Hmmm, on another note...
So does a Cavalier's (Cockatrice) Braggart(aka Dazzling Display) ability qualify for the Hero's Display feat? It doesn't require a weapon or the Weapon Focus feat. My experience with the rules tells me no.
Skill Focus: Perform (Oratory)? LOL
EDIT: I was about to say, "but it's a performance thing *sigh*"
... however the key words being...
to demoralize all foes within 30 feet who can see your display.
It IS a Performance feat. You have to make a successful performance combat check BEFORE you get to make the Intimidation check. And you require the Performing Combatant feat before you're allowed to make Performance Combat checks in normal combats.
I would hardly say it was redundant.
Giving the shaken status as Area of Effect for a Swift Action suddenly makes it a lot more attractive.
Granted. It just seems like taking 4 feats to get to that point(Weapon Focus, Dazzling Display, Hero's Display, Perfoming Combatant) seems like a bit much.
I think that, give the addition of performance combat, they should have simply REwritten the Dazzling Display feat so that it matches the other display feats.
It IS a Performance feat. You have to make a successful performance combat check BEFORE you get to make the Intimidation check. And you require the Performing Combatant feat before you're allowed to make Performance Combat checks in normal combats.
I'm going to disagree as the RAW uses the word "AND". Also, the performance check, from what I can tell, has ZERO to do with you enemies, it defaults to intimidate when referring to enemies. Performance is solely for pleasing crowds and changing people's 'friendliness', nothing at all to do with a 'typical' combat.
Successful performance or not...
You gain +2 bonus on the performance combat check AND make an intimidate check to demoralize all foes within 30 feet who can see your display.
I'm going to disagree as the RAW uses the word "AND". Also, the performance check, from what I can tell, has ZERO to do with you enemies, it defaults to intimidate when referring to enemies. Performance is solely for pleasing crowds and changing people's 'friendliness', nothing at all to do with a 'typical' combat.
Except it's clearly labeled as a Performance feat. If you aren't using the Performing Combatant feat, you aren't allowed to use ANY Performance feats unless you are IN a Performance Combat.
You need to read the feat Perfoming Combatant.
Without that feat, you aren't allowed to use ANY of the Performance feats in regular combats.
Performing Combatant (Combat)
Benefit: You can make performance combat checks in
any combat. When making a performance check outside of performance combat, you can pick a single performance
feat to use. You automatically gain any bonus on the
performance combat check the feat grants, and then you
make a DC 20 performance combat check. On a success,
you gain the full effect of the performance feat you chose.
As you can see, you have to make a successful Performance check BEFORE you get the effect of any Performance feats when using them outside of Performance Combat.
So in order to use Hero's Display against a group of normal enemies you first have to make a DC 20 performance check(which you get a +2 on because the Hero's Display bonus is added before you roll) and, if successful, you can THEN make your intimidation check.
That said, it's a pretty easy roll to make when you take into consideration that you get to add your BAB to Performance combat checks.
Even if you had no Cha bonus, if you actually keep your performance maxed that roll becomes pretty much unfailable by level 9 or so.
As you can see, you have to make a successful Performance check BEFORE you get the effect of any Performance feats when using them outside of Performance Combat.Performing Combatant (Combat)
Benefit: You can make performance combat checks in
any combat. When making a performance check outside of performance combat, you can pick a single performance
feat to use. You automatically gain any bonus on the
performance combat check the feat grants, and then you
make a DC 20 performance combat check. On a success,
you gain the full effect of the performance feat you chose.
Ah ok, didn't thoroughly read performance combat, seems like a bit of a hassle (extra mechanic) to those of us who will never see "performance" combat.
Ah ok, didn't thoroughly read performance combat, seems like a bit of a hassle (extra mechanic) to those of us who will never see "performance" combat.As you can see, you have to make a successful Performance check BEFORE you get the effect of any Performance feats when using them outside of Performance Combat.Performing Combatant (Combat)
Benefit: You can make performance combat checks in
any combat. When making a performance check outside of performance combat, you can pick a single performance
feat to use. You automatically gain any bonus on the
performance combat check the feat grants, and then you
make a DC 20 performance combat check. On a success,
you gain the full effect of the performance feat you chose.
There's a feat that lets you do performance stuff in regular combats, so...
yea.
I'm going to disagree as the RAW uses the word "AND". Also, the performance check, from what I can tell, has ZERO to do with you enemies, it defaults to intimidate when referring to enemies. Performance is solely for pleasing crowds and changing people's 'friendliness', nothing at all to do with a 'typical' combat.
Except it's clearly labeled as a Performance feat. If you aren't using the Performing Combatant feat, you aren't allowed to use ANY Performance feats unless you are IN a Performance Combat.
You need to read the feat Perfoming Combatant.
Without that feat, you aren't allowed to use ANY of the Performance feats in regular combats.
Performing Combatant (Combat)
Benefit: You can make performance combat checks in
any combat. When making a performance check outside of performance combat, you can pick a single performance
feat to use. You automatically gain any bonus on the
performance combat check the feat grants, and then you
make a DC 20 performance combat check. On a success,
you gain the full effect of the performance feat you chose.As you can see, you have to make a successful Performance check BEFORE you get the effect of any Performance feats when using them outside of Performance Combat.
So in order to use Hero's Display against a group of normal enemies you first have to make a DC 20 performance check(which you get a +2 on because the Hero's Display bonus is added before you roll) and, if successful, you can THEN make your intimidation check.
That said, it's a pretty easy roll to make when you take into consideration that you get to add your BAB to Performance combat checks.
Even if you had no Cha bonus, if you actually keep your performance maxed that roll becomes pretty much unfailable by level 9 or so.
Actually you DON'T get to add your BAB to to your performance combat checks. You can add a modified bonus based on your BAB and a modified bonus based on your highest performance rank.
Lets assume you are level 9 fighter with a +1 charisma. Your BAB is 9 so it gives you a +2 bonus. Your performance skill is 9 (if you are willing to invest that much of your precious skills) which gives you a +2 bonus. A performance feat gives a +2 bonus and a performance weapon gives a +2 bonus.
So best case scenario is you need to beat a DC20 check with 1+2+2+2+2. So with maxed out skills, a +1 charisma, and a weapon with performance ability, you get +9 to your performance combat check. You would still need to roll at least an 11.
However, it is a safe bet that you might not have your skills maxed, so you would get a +1 from skills making your Performance Combat Check Bonus +8 at level 9 assuming you have a +1 charisma.
I have a Gladiator Fighter / Thug Rogue that I love, but I spent a lot of time trying to understand the rules.
You should carefully read the rules on performance combat, and spend extra attention on the "Performance Combat Check section.
btw, the Gladiator archetype starts you off with an additional feat to the bonus fighter feat that makes all your weapons have the performance ability (giving a +2 on checks) at the expense of heavy armor and tower shields.
The gladiator archetype is also nice in that you start off with 1 victory point. You can use that point to make a check as an immediate action. Imagine being surprised rushed by 6 pirates--the gladiator can use Heroes Display to demoralize all of them (if the intimidate check succeeds), but you still need to make the DC 20 performance combat check. * the thug archetype extends demoralized effects by 1 round.
OR...you can use the victory point to automatically succeed on 1 check a battle. Outside of the arena there really is no other way to get victory points. At level 10 the gladiator archetype starts battles with 2 victory points.