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1. Yes indeed Zuko will be busy as firelord. Perhaps too busy to go searching for his own mother. Which is why Sokka seems the likely candidate for finding her with the aid of June, while the Avatar is more likely to track her down by spiritual means using the help of Azula - which is why she and her 'issues' would need to be resolved to make her a viable source of help.
2. A copy of the contents of the fire nation's library would be something Sokka could get his hands on. And given Zuko's spiritual clinginess to the Avatar he may see it as acceptable to restore the destroyed part of the Library of Wan-shi-tong.
3. Sokka's sword is indeed a unique artefact crafted by Sokka under instruction from his master. The Librarian Wan-shi-tong is not above collecting such artefacts. Given that Sokka will indeend not give up searching for it.
4. I think it is possible that Azula will fear the power of Aang to a degree she might fear him enough to cling to him if he drags her across the world on some healing journey until she accepts that she is like her mother and that her mother cared about her enough to kill to protect her. Frankly Azula is a suffering human - not the 'crazy b!*%$ who needs to go down' that Iroh and Zuko see her as. We know that for a fact. Redemption is her only Option and fear of having her bending removed her only prison guards. Perhaps you are right and she will experience loss of bending to reduce her to the same level as her mother But lightning bending is not available to those with an imbalance of the psycological but rather a perfect balance and a disciplined mind. She is not therefor a 'crazy b+#*# who needs to go down'.
In the end she will need to accept that her mother would have killed Azulon to protect even her - and she is capable of being that kind of mother.
Frankly the whole thing seems familiar - like Zuko is a clingy 'Aang is my personal avatar' psychological problem, and his need to 'worship' Aang and have him stand next to him (Zuko) to validate his (Zuko's) authority.
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Frankly the whole thing seems familiar - like Zuko is a clingy 'Aang is my personal avatar' psychological problem, and his need to 'worship' Aang and have him stand next to him (Zuko) to validate his (Zuko's) authority.
I think you're reading a bit too much into the public scene he had with Aang, which was nothing more than a necessary validation of his own assumption to Firelord, as well as giving credence to his public declaration. After all he's serving tea the next and last time you see him.
Ursa killed Azulon to protect her son. Because her son was going to be the one that Ozai was going to kill. Azula was a monster as a child, a monster as a young woman, and she's an irredeemable monster now. Her story as far as I'm concerned is done.
No. A lot of the story nuances come from a vast array of Asian Films. (if you want to see The Kyoshi warriors, Toph the Blind Bandit, and Zuko's knife throwing girlfriend Mei check out house of the flying daggers).
The Idea that Zuko is more spiritually clingy to Aang than the rest of his friends is out there - i wish i could remember where I saw it as a source of the Avatar series development. But it is in that he chases the Avatar and his pursuit of the avatar is a 'spiritual pursuit'.Perhaps Im wrong and Zuko simply sees Aang's Power to take his bending as a threat - he would certainly see Katara's ability to pull the water from his corpse and leave him a dead husk as a nasty threat. After all that speech about peace and love is horsecrap...he goes from there to interrogating his father in his own private cage.
Actually I see Azulon's statement that OZai must sacrifice his child as punishment being the sacrifice of Azula - she heard what she heard and didnt understand that it was her they were talking about. Zuko was ill skilled by comparison to Azula as a child. Ozai's favourite was Azula - not Zuko.
Ursa may have Killed Azulon to keep both children safe. Worst Case - Ozai had concubines and other children with other women were an option.
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I had been expecting some sort of special before the new series was announced. One in which Azula with several allies attempt to over throw her brother. Where in the end Aang does not have to remove her abilities, because she is either dead or gone so far insane she has lost the ability to control them.
Perhaps this will be brought up, or something similar, in the new series.
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I had been expecting some sort of special before the new series was announced. One in which Azula with several allies attempt to over throw her brother. Where in the end Aang does not have to remove her abilities, because she is either dead or gone so far insane she has lost the ability to control them.
Perhaps this will be brought up, or something similar, in the new series.
Legend of Korra will have no content from the previous series other than the fact that it is the setting 100 years post Legend of Aang.
The only way we will have resolution is if they animate Book 4: Air.
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I had been expecting some sort of special before the new series was announced. One in which Azula with several allies attempt to over throw her brother. Where in the end Aang does not have to remove her abilities, because she is either dead or gone so far insane she has lost the ability to control them.
Perhaps this will be brought up, or something similar, in the new series.
Legend of Korra will have no content from the previous series other than the fact that it is the setting 100 years post Legend of Aang.
The only way we will have resolution is if they animate Book 4: Air.
She will be trained as an airbender from Aangs descendant as well as having contact with Aangs spirit, he being her spirit guide just as Aang spoke with Roku.
Many of the consequences of situations from the first series will be shown in this one. Or so says the information on the Nick site. So yes I expect as some time we may learn a bit about what happened to the other characters and maybe even meet again some of the beings that Aang met.
While the series will stay primarily in one location this does not mean that the new Avatar will not leave to go on a quick jaunt elsewhere to research or to acquire some object.
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Your "Book of Air" would be much better if it didn't spend so much time invalidating what the actual show spent 3 seasons telling us. This is just my opinion, but "everything you know is wrong" is the worst kind of retcon.
What does it invalidate?
Time line of the Avatar: There are approximately 360 avatars before Aang (I counted the avatar statues in episode 3 and made an estimate) putting a time frame of 20,000-50,000 years of Avatars. Before that they are energy benders.
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We have resolution of the central issues of the original series, the War of the Fire Nation and the return of the missing Avatar. The only truly unresolved issue is the fate of Ursa. And what went wrong between that time, and the time of Korra, which presumably the second series will address. There really can't be a Book of Air, because there is no Air Nation to ground it in.I had been expecting some sort of special before the new series was announced. One in which Azula with several allies attempt to over throw her brother. Where in the end Aang does not have to remove her abilities, because she is either dead or gone so far insane she has lost the ability to control them.
Perhaps this will be brought up, or something similar, in the new series.
Legend of Korra will have no content from the previous series other than the fact that it is the setting 100 years post Legend of Aang.
The only way we will have resolution is if they animate Book 4: Air.
Given Aang and his wife and child would now constitute the Air Nation the Book of Air would center on their family life and the external forces interacting on them. There is the way the priest class works to eradicate all mention of the family of the Avatars from history. Katara is painted in the Play (ember island) as a bad water tribe girl who revels in the destruction of fire nation lives and that is the direction in which any propaganda will go. So it is likely her involvement in politics between Avatar Aang and Firelord Zuko is likely to be resented to the degree where there would be assassination attempts on her and her children to remove her from the picture.
I don't care that this is directed at children...there are things in it that make it a significant and powerful political drama rich in detail.
I'll just repeat this unanswered question from several days ago. I'm not the only one wondering this, as other questions of this type have evidenced.
YD, I'm very curious to know why you insist that there must be a Book of Air when even the creators of the series felt it was unnecessary to include one. I mean, it's cool if you want to write your own fic and all, and I mean no offense, but why this seeming drive to make sure that there's a Book of Air?
I'm genuinely curious.
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I'll just repeat this unanswered question from several days ago. I'm not the only one wondering this, as other questions of this type have evidenced.
YD, I'm very curious to know why you insist that there must be a Book of Air when even the creators of the series felt it was unnecessary to include one. I mean, it's cool if you want to write your own fic and all, and I mean no offense, but why this seeming drive to make sure that there's a Book of Air?
I'm genuinely curious.
Why a book of Air? Because there must be symmetry with the Avatar cycle. Because there are sufficient unresolved plot lines to warrant a Book 4: Air.
Why a book of Air? Because there must be symmetry with the Avatar cycle. Because there are sufficient unresolved plot lines to warrant a Book 4: Air.
Hm. So, even though the creators said "This is the story we wanted to tell, and we told it the way we wanted to tell it," you are unsatisfied with what you feel is a gap in the story, and want for more resolution than you were given, is that correct? I see that you've already given a statement countering LazarX's thoughts on the matter. I'm curious - the comics that bridge the gap between A: TLA and TLA: LOK aren't enough for your tastes?
Is it because you think that the entire span of several decades must be plotted out and revealed, or - and again, I mean no offense here, I'm simply drawing a conclusion based on the bulk of the arguments that I've seen from you in your replies - is it merely because you want to see Aang and Katara hook up on screen and therefore within "recorded history"?
The Avatar comics are canon and sanctioned by the creators and Nickelodeon. Do they figure into your concerns at all?
Thank you for answering my question. Of all the respondents on this entire thread, you've been the one calling for something that has already been taken off the table entirely. I've been very curious to understand why. Thanks for indulging me. :)
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Why a book of Air? Because there must be symmetry with the Avatar cycle. Because there are sufficient unresolved plot lines to warrant a Book 4: Air.Hm. So, even though the creators said "This is the story we wanted to tell, and we told it the way we wanted to tell it," you are unsatisfied with what you feel is a gap in the story, and want for more resolution than you were given, is that correct? I see that you've already given a statement countering LazarX's thoughts on the matter. I'm curious - the comics that bridge the gap between A: TLA and TLA: LOK aren't enough for your tastes?
Is it because you think that the entire span of several decades must be plotted out and revealed, or - and again, I mean no offense here, I'm simply drawing a conclusion based on the bulk of the arguments that I've seen from you in your replies - is it merely because you want to see Aang and Katara hook up on screen and therefore within "recorded history"?
The Avatar comics are canon and sanctioned by the creators and Nickelodeon. Do they figure into your concerns at all?
Thank you for answering my question. Of all the respondents on this entire thread, you've been the one calling for something that has already been taken off the table entirely. I've been very curious to understand why. Thanks for indulging me. :)
I don't consider comics a legitimate method of story telling when dealing with something made for TV. It may take a Korean Live action remake of the Series with Book of Air included to give me what I want if these wretched guys don't give me satisfaction.
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I don't consider comics a legitimate method of story telling when dealing with something made for TV. It may take a Korean Live action remake of the Series with Book of Air included to give me what I want if these wretched guys don't give me satisfaction.After seeing Avatar in live action, I can only echo the thoughts of a certain potted plant.
"Oh no, not again!"
You're problem is not only that you see an incomplete story, you've rejected the story the creators gave you in the first place and you want them to tell the story YOU have in your mind. The followup you wanted has been given in part by the comics and what they consider relevant will probably be told in part in Korra's backstory. But only in part because the next series is her story, not Aang's or his group's.
In what way have I rejected the version of Avatar created by the creators of the Animated Series? The comics are not being written by the creators of the series rather by some shadow writer whose knowledge of the setting will be limited to what he takes from the show.
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In what way have I rejected the version of Avatar created by the creators of the Animated Series? The comics are not being written by the creators of the series rather by some shadow writer whose knowledge of the setting will be limited to what he takes from the show.
Doesn't that describe you as well?
The comics may not be written by the creators, but they've been pushed by the creators whenever people ask about Ursa or what happens to the Avatar gang. They were created by or in cooperation with Nickelodeon and A:tlA's creators, and in some cases (Aaron Ehasz, Tim Hedrick) by people who wrote episodes of the show.
The comics are pretty dang legit.
As for Book 4: Air? It's coming out, its called "The Legend of Korra" - A story about the Avatar learning airbending.
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In what way have I rejected the version of Avatar created by the creators of the Animated Series? The comics are not being written by the creators of the series rather by some shadow writer whose knowledge of the setting will be limited to what he takes from the show.Doesn't that describe you as well?
The comics may not be written by the creators, but they've been pushed by the creators whenever people ask about Ursa or what happens to the Avatar gang. They were created by or in cooperation with Nickelodeon and A:tlA's creators, and in some cases (Aaron Ehasz, Tim Hedrick) by people who wrote episodes of the show.
The comics are pretty dang legit.
As for Book 4: Air? It's coming out, its called "The Legend of Korra" - A story about the Avatar learning airbending.
1. No. I'm not a Shadow Writer for Avatar. If I were I would be employed to write something 'the creators' take credit for by stamping their name on. That also explains how there were more episodes ready to roll off the end of Sozin's Comet when the 'creators' of the show told the animators they didn't want any more.
2. No. Legend of Korra is not Book 4: Air.
1. No. I'm not a Shadow Writer for Avatar. If I were I would be employed to write something 'the creators' take credit for by stamping their name on. That also explains how there were more episodes ready to roll off the end of Sozin's Comet when the 'creators' of the show told the animators they didn't want any more.
You've made this claim before, but all available evidence, including direct quotes from Michael DiMartino, Bryan Konietzko, and Aaron Ehasz contradicts it. There is absolutely no evidence, of any type, that there were "more episodes ready to roll" after Sozin's Comet, and plenty of evidence that the creators told the story they wanted to tell, which they did by creating a show with a beginning, middle, and end. Do you have evidence to back this claim up? I have spent several hours scouring every available resource I can find, and there is nothing I can find to back this up. This isn't like Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles where the studio's budget got hacked to bits by Sony and the final arc of episodes was left unfinished. A:TLA was fully funded from start to finish. And it was finished.
I don't mean to sound rude, but no matter how hard you wish something to be so, that doesn't make it true.
I won't belabor the point any more, both because it's late and because I and others have made these statements before. I get that you feel the show was incomplete, and that you feel that there was a lack of closure on some subjects, but the facts are the facts. To say that you know better than the creators of the show, and to say that they somehow got it wrong is just mind-boggling to me. I appreciate your intensity and your drive, and I appreciate your explanations earlier, so thank you for those, but I'm very, very perplexed.
Is this the part where I tell him that the creators consider the web game that features Koh and several of the past Avatars, as part of the canon between Book 2 and Book 3?
I was actually about to mention that one, as well as the various console games, all of which are also canon and figure into the events of the world.
I do have an e-mail here from Gene Yang, writer of the upcoming comic series, stating that the issues regarding Zuko and his family will be addressed directly in the new series:
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Uiop60/Email_from_Gene_Yang
Good to hear that some things will be addressed in the new series - I was originally under the impression that it was going to be new everything. I'm disappointed that the video games are considered canon -they're a terrible way to tell a story. That said, in not sure what the issue is here, yd can write his fanfiction if he wishes, it's not going to affect the new series or old series in any way. Besides, a few of his ideas are interesting. I was also disappointed by the lack of an air book, although the idea of of korra and her escapades being air is interesting.
Good to hear that some things will be addressed in the new series - I was originally under the impression that it was going to be new everything. I'm disappointed that the video games are considered canon -they're a terrible way to tell a story. That said, in not sure what the issue is here, yd can write his fanfiction if he wishes, it's not going to affect the new series or old series in any way. Besides, a few of his ideas are interesting. I was also disappointed by the lack of an air book, although the idea of of korra and her escapades being air is interesting.Have you actually played the web game that covers the space between Book 2 and Book 3? It's actually far more on the matter of storytelling than joystick twitching, and it's both appropriate for the targeted age group and some good eye candy there, as well as some pretty neat exposition on the Avatar's history with the Dai Lee. And it was good to see Koh and Roku again of course.
It's a web browser game? I only know of the ps2 version.
Good to hear that some things will be addressed in the new series - I was originally under the impression that it was going to be new everything. I'm disappointed that the video games are considered canon -they're a terrible way to tell a story. That said, in not sure what the issue is here, yd can write his fanfiction if he wishes, it's not going to affect the new series or old series in any way. Besides, a few of his ideas are interesting. I was also disappointed by the lack of an air book, although the idea of of korra and her escapades being air is interesting.
I hope I'm not coming across as bagging on YD's fic. I'm not, in any sense of the term, so if I have, then that's completely not my intent. What I'm curious about, and have been attempting to understand, is the insistence that the creators somehow were "wrong" or didn't know what they were doing when they decided that they were only going to make three chapters to the story. The "omission" of the Book Of Air seems to be a very serious offense in YD's view, judging from YD's posts overall throughout this thread.
My attempts to understand the basis of that very clearly offended state is why I phrase my questions the way I do, and why I have repeated several of my salient points in the ways that I have.
