i would like to claim as much of the gemstones as possible, call them diamonds and use them for making runes for the party...
Real interest that keeps it in the party means no Brinewall-shield claim from Hrithik. He only wants historical access.Yeah, that should be no problem. Unless Hrithik gets it in his head to do a historical treatise in the middle of combat.
don't give him any ideas! :P
don't give him any ideas! :PReal interest that keeps it in the party means no Brinewall-shield claim from Hrithik. He only wants historical access.Yeah, that should be no problem. Unless Hrithik gets it in his head to do a historical treatise in the middle of combat.
I can't stop him! We'll know we're really screwed when we come across an overhead projector and transparencies amongst some loot.
I can't stop him! We'll know we're really screwed when we come across an overhead projector and transparencies amongst some loot.don't give him any ideas! :PReal interest that keeps it in the party means no Brinewall-shield claim from Hrithik. He only wants historical access.Yeah, that should be no problem. Unless Hrithik gets it in his head to do a historical treatise in the middle of combat.
hmm, maybe that can count as an intimidate check... don't make me unleash Ben Stein on you people!
hmm, maybe that can count as an intimidate check... don't make me unleash Ben Stein on you people!
It'd definitely be an intimidate check on the players.
hmm, maybe that can count as an intimidate check... don't make me unleash Ben Stein on you people!It'd definitely be an intimidate check on the players.
well, i like Ben Stein, so i think i'd only be intimidated by his super smarts...
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Yeah, that should be no problem. Unless Hrithik gets it in his head to do a historical treatise in the middle of combat.
Hrithik-on-cognogen goes through that all the time, middle of combat or no, historical or arcane or religious or architectural or whatever treatise is relevant to what he's looking at, pretty much constantly.
He just keeps it inside :-)
Yeah, that should be no problem. Unless Hrithik gets it in his head to do a historical treatise in the middle of combat.Hrithik-on-cognogen goes through that all the time, middle of combat or no, historical or arcane or religious or architectural or whatever treatise is relevant to what he's looking at, pretty much constantly.
He just keeps it inside :-)
he's learned use of the inside voice? :P
1) She never actually specifically agreed to give you any bodies whatsoever.
2) *You* may interpret that as being part of the spirit of the deal, but there is actually no particular reason to believe that she, even in all honestly, would do so. I won't get into the details of why, this isn't a courtroom, but there was ample ambiguity in that conversation throughout.
3) While an Asmodean priest would certainly agree with you that her saying "whatever you want" absolutely binds her to that anyway, you would also be well aware, as a Lawful Good follower of Torag, that Torag would consider insisting that someone must be bound to *your* interpretation of an unspoken part of an ambiguous deal based on what was clearly a turn of phrase, if it turns out they had another, perfectly reasonable, interpretation, to be a highly dishonorable thing.
4) This has nothing to do with how you choose to play your character or what your character chooses to believe; I merely wished to point out, in case you were planning on making any promises to Kelda, before you did so, that your character is smart enough to realize that Buttersnips may or may not agree that she said she would give you the bodies, and that your actual alignment and religion, as opposed to the one you were raised in, would probably agree that she had a fair case to make if that proves to be what she believes.
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he's learned use of the inside voice? :PYeah, that should be no problem. Unless Hrithik gets it in his head to do a historical treatise in the middle of combat.Hrithik-on-cognogen goes through that all the time, middle of combat or no, historical or arcane or religious or architectural or whatever treatise is relevant to what he's looking at, pretty much constantly.
He just keeps it inside :-)
Other way 'round: he's silencing the inside voice all the time :-)
Seriously: torrent like a firehose. Doubled when on cognogen: volatile, roiling under high pressure and extreme heat, and occasionally the stopper on the bottle slips a little. Maybe 1% of it escapes his lips. It's like his battle readouts, but neverending and leaping from subject to subject to subject relentlessly.
he's learned use of the inside voice? :PYeah, that should be no problem. Unless Hrithik gets it in his head to do a historical treatise in the middle of combat.Hrithik-on-cognogen goes through that all the time, middle of combat or no, historical or arcane or religious or architectural or whatever treatise is relevant to what he's looking at, pretty much constantly.
He just keeps it inside :-)
Other way 'round: he's silencing the inside voice all the time :-)
Seriously: torrent like a firehose. Doubled when on cognogen: volatile, roiling under high pressure and extreme heat, and occasionally the stopper on the bottle slips a little. Maybe 1% of it escapes his lips. It's like his battle readouts, but neverending and leaping from subject to subject to subject relentlessly.
ah, well i suppose it was too good to be true ;)
Hrunndalf was also going to claim the starknife, but on second thought the cold iron morningstar is probably more appropriate. It's good to have a bludgeoning weapon around, and the same goes for cold iron. I can also wield it two-handed for 1.5 Strength bonus, unlike the starknife.
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3) While an Asmodean priest would certainly agree with you that her saying "whatever you want" absolutely binds her to that anyway, you would also be well aware, as a Lawful Good follower of Torag, that Torag would consider insisting that someone must be bound to *your* interpretation of an unspoken part of an ambiguous deal based on what was clearly a turn of phrase, if it turns out they had another, perfectly reasonable, interpretation, to be a highly dishonorable thing.
Agreed. That is where the point turns for Hrithik. He spent 10% of his life an infant, 80% of his life immersed in Asmodeus and bits of Torag, and once finally free, the most recent 10% trying to claw his way to something coherent from Torag, bits of Sarenrae, now some Desna ... whatever.
The Asmodean counter-argument is always there, always this: Of course the most Right and Honorable thing to do is to see the demon cult destroyed and its works reversed and its victims honorably buried. Just enforce the Contract and all of that is done. The end.
Torag would consider firmly enforcing a slippery Contract to be dishonorable, yes. But Torag would also consider denying all those people a proper burial to be dishonorable. And refusing to expunge the cult's taint to be dishonorable. And so on and on ... and the Asmodean upbringing eagerly agrees with the rest of that, and many in the party clearly don't care at all. If a Torag-compliant simultaneous solution to all of those problems can't be found that the party is willing to put up with (and they absolutely are not open to firm paladial zeal), there's nothing but dishonor everywhere Hrithik turns. And then the Asmodean counter-argument, which he knows by heart, immediately has room to find purchase: if it must be dishonor whatever you do, then accept the lesser dishonor as the price to obtain the greater honor ... enforce the Contract.
4) This has nothing to do with how you choose to play your character or what your character chooses to believe; I merely wished to point out, in case you were planning on making any promises to Kelda, before you did so, that your character is smart enough to realize that Buttersnips may or may not agree that she said she would give you the bodies, and that your actual alignment and religion, as opposed to the one you were raised in, would probably agree that she had a fair case to make if that proves to be what she believes.
On the first point, always firmly agreed. Hrithik is beyond certain that Buttersnips will not ever agree that she said she would do anything anywhere at any time that even remotely inconveniences her, if she thinks she can get away with it. Not Good At All, backed up by what he's witnessed, has him presuming nothing but disagreement from her. Even if he had a laborious contract in writing, in triplicate, with 80 pages of legal appendices - he'd still expect her to disagree if there was an angle in it. Legitimate point or not, he expects disagreement.
Your valid second point is where Hrithik ties himself in knots. Because Torag doesn't roll that way, because Torag presumes much higher standards of extending a presumption of honesty and behaving forthrightly oneself ... but not rolling that way and obeying those high standards and codes of personal religious honor while the party chooses to aimlessly ignore the situation may lead directly to this ambivalent party permitting the perpetual gross dishonor of denying three decades worth of people the right to be buried, of denying a fellow party member the right to see her shieldmates buried ...
Hrithik is clear on what he considers the greater dishonor, in every framework he knows. He will make his understanding of the honor of the situation clear to Kelda. One way or another, he expects Buttersnips to abide by the promise to partner and not further harm people with her art and permit us to finish expunging the evil of the cult. If all Buttersnips wants to do is haggle over the price of her full partnership, an honorable solution will present itself. If she wants to try to deny that she has any responsibility or involvement with the situation at all, refuses to consider her unwillingness to bury them as doing their spirits harm, and refuses to consider their state as part of the cult's taint that he seeks to expunge ... the Asmodean solution may swiftly become the only one on the table.
The statuette of Pazuzu is unslotted and weighs 5 lbs.
Based on Rhost's luck with the CLW potions, I think Kalimac has been watering his down.
Based on Rhost's luck with the CLW potions, I think Kalimac has been watering his down.
Has Kalimac also been watering down Alaric's channels?
i picked up one scroll of cure moderate (i think it was) roll em if you need it ;) i'll be at work all day, so no replying till tonight (hence, the feel free to roll the stats if you need the healing)
i picked up one scroll of cure moderate (i think it was) roll em if you need it ;) i'll be at work all day, so no replying till tonight (hence, the feel free to roll the stats if you need the healing)
Should have probably used this instead of all the Cure Lights. Oh well.
Tollin can use it. And frankly you should be using another cure moderate yourself, or at least another cure light.
And someone give something to Kelda, she's an NPC and can't just grab them herself. I think someone offered at least a cure light to her, I'll double check.
And those of you down four or five hit points? Yeah, you! Use a cure light!
mutter mutter drink your milk and wash behind your ears mutter mutter
This is how Kalimac sees Attatoq?
I was beginning to think that was how everyone but Tollin and Alaric saw Attatoq.
Huh. I totally forget to do unholy blight damage to Attatoq and Xanderghul.
Checking ... yeah, they'd have remained conscious and been healed up by the channeling anyway.
Still, I must remember to do more harm to furry animals.
In all seriousness, Attatoq is very well behaved. He has yet to even hump a single leg.
This is how Kalimac sees Attatoq?
If he did, he'd never ride him. That's a "wolf" you protect and keep at home, safe from enemies. Not someone you bring to a deadly fight.
No, Kalimac sees Attatoq for what he is: an absolutely deadly and fearsome predator with sharp, pointy teeth. Whom Kalimac loves and trusts unconditionally.
No, Kalimac sees Attatoq for what he is: an absolutely deadly and fearsome predator with sharp, pointy teeth. Whom Kalimac loves and trusts unconditionally.
Oh, so Attatoq's another Mel, then.
Oh, so Attatoq's another Mel, then.
Probably has more hit points, though.
Probably has more hit points, though.
:P ~ Just means she has to kill the things that want to hurt her faster then, doesn't it?
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Alaric and Lio: totally sympatico on the subject of "proper burial."
Alaric and Lio: totally sympatico on the subject of "proper burial."
yep. it's true.
Thank you.
Myri... 4 bane arrows... 2 for each of us?
That's what I was thinkin' :D
And I believe the first Official level 12 Relationship score just got achieved.
And I believe the first Official level 12 Relationship score just got achieved.
In the interests of not selling the Pearl of Power, Alaric will claim it, and happily hand it over to Lio if she wants it. If Alaric takes it, it's another Cure Light Wounds. If Lio takes it, there's more potential for shenanigans.
Undisputed Claims
Medium masterwork heavy steel shield (85 gp)
Medium heavy crossbow (25 gp)
20 medium crossbow bolts (1 gp)
10 flasks of alchemist’s fire (100 gp)
Wand of Scorching Ray, 30 charges (1350 gp)
medium +1 light fortification light steel shield bearing the image of Castle Brinewall (2079.5 gp)
medium +1 returning starknife (4162 gp)
medium +1 cold iron morningstar (2158 gp)
pearl of power, 1st level (500 gp)
ring of the ram with 10 charges remaining (860 gp)
wayfinder (250 gp)
cursed stone statuette of Pazuzu that reduces your speed by 1/2 and renders you unable to fly by any means (0 gp)
800 gp in jewelry and gems (800 gp)
Money
All characters, and the Caravan fund, receive 169.6 gp
Disputed Items
Circlet of persuasion (2250 gp)
darkwood-and-silver disc decorated with an intricate etching of Brinewall under the midnight moon (0 gp)
Claimable Items
Silverware (100 gp)
four +2 evil outsider bane arrows (720 gp)
phylactery of faithfulness (500 gp)
Party Items
scroll of cure moderate wounds
scroll of remove disease
scroll of restoration
cursed stone statuette of Pazuzu that reduces your speed by 1/2 and renders you unable to fly by any means (0 gp)
Whoops.
cursed stone statuette of Pazuzu that reduces your speed by 1/2 and renders you unable to fly by any means (0 gp)Whoops.
"The sow is mine!" --Pazuzu
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Claimable Items
Silverware (100 gp)
four +2 evil outsider bane arrows (720 gp)
phylactery of faithfulness (500 gp)Party Items
scroll of cure moderate wounds
scroll of remove disease
scroll of restoration
Could Rhost get a +2 masterwork item bonus to the meal-serving portion of his Profession: Cook if he got the silverware? :-)
Even though they're party items, would be nice to consult Spivey about any unused scrolls when we're done, being Desna-temple treasure as they were.
I'd offer to treat the arrows as party-use items being used immediately by the archers, not as expensive items counted against their running total. They really are using them for all of us :-), and it's not like they get to sell them for cash value later, unlike a melee weapon. Also, they're part of that hidden temple-treasure, and it would be nice to consult Spivey about them as well if they end up not being used.
Finally, even though it's not a party-use item ... it'd be nice to consult Spivey about the phylactery before ultimately assigning it, regardless of whether or not anyone wants a box holding strips of Desnan scripture strapped to their forehead. Cashing it out before consulting her seems a bit crass.
I believe Lio & Myri are looking to split the 4 +2 bane arrows regardless of whether or not they are "claimed" or split as party treasure (thank you for the suggestion, Hrithik). So until that is decided Myri and Lio claim the arrows. :)
Okay, even more so then. To reiterate, Myri and Lio claim the 4 +2 outsider bane arrows.
Even though they're party items, would be nice to consult Spivey about any unused scrolls when we're done, being Desna-temple treasure as they were.
Or Koya.
I'd offer to treat the arrows as party-use items being used immediately by the archers, not as expensive items counted against their running total.
Kyrademon has indicated previously that even if an item is going to be used solely for the party betterment unless it is marked at a group item (and the only things that have been made such are healing items) it needs to be claimed. (I asked before)
Could Rhost get a +2 masterwork item bonus to the meal-serving portion of his Profession: Cook if he got the silverware? :-)
In fact, Rhost has two cooking kits. A standard one and a masterwork one. :)
Claimable Items
No claims for Mel
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Or Koya.
Definitely as a second possible option, but Spivey has put in a decade of time here. If anyone actually has some investment in local Desnan treasure, and deserves to be consulted before just considering it all "loot", it's her. Koya is more "hey, we got some Desnan loot! want any?" :-)
I'd offer to treat the arrows as party-use items being used immediately by the archers, not as expensive items counted against their running total.Kyrademon has indicated previously that even if an item is going to be used solely for the party betterment unless it is marked at a group item (and the only things that have been made such are healing items) it needs to be claimed. (I asked before)
Thanks for the wording clarification. I'd be proposing sweetly to the GM that they be possibly considered "group items" going forward, then, since they are so one-shot and for-the-party by their very nature. (this would have the flipside that they could never be sold. As group items they would not count toward PC wealth either way)