So, what does everyone think of it? Is it better or worse than the baseline monk? How does it compare to the other archetypes? Can it be combined with the other archetypes? Any other thoughts?
So, what does everyone think of it? Is it better or worse than the baseline monk? How does it compare to the other archetypes? Can it be combined with the other archetypes? Any other thoughts?Not, better, not worse, simply different. As far as combinations standard rules pertaining to archetype stacking apply. Some of the rules about spending Ki when using monk abilities acquired by Ki powers could use a bit of clarification.
Hehe.. I was hoping someone had already compared the archetypes to check for stacking, lazy I guess. I'm not quite sure on some of these either like high jump- does it work like the normal ability (bonus to jump equal to character level, spend a ki point for a +20) or do you spend a ki point to get the base version? I'm not sure, but some of the abilities are quite nice.
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I like having the option to customize my monks.
I like having the option to customize my monks.
Hey Leo,
I have something here you might be interested in.
To keep from thread jacking, I thought I would direct the fellow Synthesist fans to this home-brew I thought up. Could use some suggestions and working some kinks out. Thanks!
I have a question regarding Qinggong Monk archetype that probably doesn't need its own thread, so I'll just pile on here:
I'm interested in adding Qinggong powers to my existing Drunken Master Monk (currently at level 5, but I'm starting to plan out to/past level 7). Specifically, I'd like to replace "Wholeness of Body" with a Qinggong power, however I'm not sure if that's legal. Since "Diamond Body" and "Diamond Soul" were replaced with "Drunken Courage" and "Drunken Resilience", am I still able to access the Qinggong Monk archetype?
My current reasoning would be "yes", since the two relevant class features which are removed by the Drunken Master archetype aren't NECESSARILY also changed by the Qinggong archetype.
I have a question regarding Qinggong Monk archetype that probably doesn't need its own thread, so I'll just pile on here:
I'm interested in adding Qinggong powers to my existing Drunken Master Monk (currently at level 5, but I'm starting to plan out to/past level 7). Specifically, I'd like to replace "Wholeness of Body" with a Qinggong power, however I'm not sure if that's legal. Since "Diamond Body" and "Diamond Soul" were replaced with "Drunken Courage" and "Drunken Resilience", am I still able to access the Qinggong Monk archetype?
My current reasoning would be "yes", since the two relevant class features which are removed by the Drunken Master archetype aren't NECESSARILY also changed by the Qinggong archetype.
You can stack this archtype on any others. You can only trade out the abilities listed.
So if the drunken master doesnt give up wholeness of body: youre good to go
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You can stack this archtype on any others. You can only trade out the abilities listed.
So if the drunken master doesnt give up wholeness of body: youre good to go
Has there been a post from Paizo staff backing this up? It makes sense to me, but I've also seen older threads where people have claimed the opposite. I've got a PFS GM credit monk that I've never played, and I am building him out to 4th level to use at a con this weekend. I've been avoiding stacking archetypes on him, because I at least want to go with Qinggong, and I didn't want to show up at a table and be told the whole character is illegal.
All of the more recent postings on the matter seem to agree with you, so I'm just wondering if I missed a post from a developer or other staff along the line that backs it up. If I know I've got a forum post to point to, I'd feel better about using the combination in PFS.
So, what does everyone think of it? Is it better or worse than the baseline monk? How does it compare to the other archetypes? Can it be combined with the other archetypes? Any other thoughts?
The great thing about the Qinggong Monk is that you can theme out on powers rather than getting a grab-bag of abilities that do not really work well together when they work at all. Many core monk abilities are really not fit for purpose (like wholeness of body), or are counter-productive (like Diamond Soul), or require a feat-tax to work properly (Abundant Step). You can avoid these with the Qinggong monk and instead take abilities you might actually want to use.
Really, the Qinggong should replace the core monk.
You can stack this archtype on any others. You can only trade out the abilities listed.
So if the drunken master doesnt give up wholeness of body: youre good to go
Actually there is still some debate on this. If this is for PFS, you will get some table variance. Some GM's may tell you can't combine it, and the character isn't usable. I'm not going to debate it here, but the rules can be read either way, and there is no offical word that I am aware of.
Edit: While I reaize Mr. Jacobs isn't a "rules guy" his opinion is that they don't stack (Link). In the absence of any ruling from the "rules guys" Mr. Jacob's opinion can add weight to a PFS GM saying no.
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That's what I thought, and why I'll stay away from trying to combine it. From what I can see, Monk Vows are the only thing that definitely stacks with Qinggong, since they replace Still Mind only. Master of Many Styles only replaces bonus feats and Perfect Body, which I'd almost certainly never get in PFS. But that alone is enough, I think, to potentially run into a table where the character is declared unplayable. So it's just not worth it to me to.
Back on topic, I really do like the flexibility Qinggong brings to the class. I wish there were a way to get more of the abilities, like the Extra Rogue Talent/Revelation/Hex/etc. feats. And I wish the Qinggong ability lists lined up better with the levels of the abilities they replace. Why get access to new things at 6th level when you can't take any until 7th?