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I would say Yes. Archetypes are not compatible when they replace the same class features, but such is not the case with what you describe.
Only exception is that you cannot mix (through Crossblooded) a Wildblooded Bloodline and the normal Bloodline it comes from. For example, a crossblooded Bedrock/Deep Earth Sorcerer is not possible.
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You could argue that both replace how the Sorcerer picks his or her bloodlines and are therefore mutually exclusive. If you do allow both, though, I'd argue that since the WB archetype doesn't have access to the non-mutated bloodlines that both bloodlines you pick for CB need to be mutant versions. Of course, don't ask me what would happen if you were a Empyreal/Sage bloodline with regards to your casting stat.
I was just wondering this exact same thing...
I don't really think WB would be limited to WB only... I see it as:
Crossblooded: I get to pick two different bloodlines
Wildblooded: This bloodline is different from the normal version
So I see it as if you are going to go CB you pick two, either of which could be WB...
I might be wrong though, it would be nice to get some clarification on this one...
Is it possible to create a Crossblooded Sorcerer with one or two Wildblooded Bloodlines. An Empyreal Sage would be strange, but the rest should work nice for Arcana dipping, like a Magus with the Orc and Karmic Bloodlines.
They are archetypes.
You can no more picked wildblooded and cross-blooded than you could pick Two-weapon warrior and Two-handed warrior.
So I think it was intentional to not allow a player to take cross-blooded and wildblooded.
Until I hear otherwise from an official source, I'm going to consider wild-blooded an archetype, not alternate bloodlines.
Is it possible to create a Crossblooded Sorcerer with one or two Wildblooded Bloodlines. An Empyreal Sage would be strange, but the rest should work nice for Arcana dipping, like a Magus with the Orc and Karmic Bloodlines.They are archetypes.
You can no more picked wildblooded and cross-blooded than you could pick Two-weapon warrior and Two-handed warrior.
So I think it was intentional to not allow a player to take cross-blooded and wildblooded.
Until I hear otherwise from an official source, I'm going to consider wild-blooded an archetype, not alternate bloodlines.
Except your fighter example is a poor one because they swap out the same features. You can take multiple archtypes as long as different features are swapped
i believe Monk of the four winds Drunken master Stone mountain is possible for example.
It should be Allowable as long as it keeps to the same requirements as any other archtype
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Is it possible to create a Crossblooded Sorcerer with one or two Wildblooded Bloodlines. An Empyreal Sage would be strange, but the rest should work nice for Arcana dipping, like a Magus with the Orc and Karmic Bloodlines.They are archetypes.
You can no more picked wildblooded and cross-blooded than you could pick Two-weapon warrior and Two-handed warrior.
So I think it was intentional to not allow a player to take cross-blooded and wildblooded.
Until I hear otherwise from an official source, I'm going to consider wild-blooded an archetype, not alternate bloodlines.
Except your fighter example is a poor one because they swap out the same features. You can take multiple archtypes as long as different features are swapped
i believe Monk of the four winds Drunken master Stone mountain is possible for example.
It should be Allowable as long as it keeps to the same requirements as any other archtype
I'll have to look that up in the APG when I get home. But if that is allowed, I might go for it myself. Before I assumed you couldn't have two archetypes, I mapped out the +6 con and str inherent bonus. That would be pretty darn nice.
Where do you find cross-blooded and wild-blooded?
Where do you find cross-blooded and wild-blooded?
Ultimate Magic
I need to check on this as well because I also thought archetypes were mutually exclusive.
From the APG:
"A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature"
So yeah, you can stack them as long as they replace different things.
But it's not entirely clear in the case of the wildblooded and crossblooded archetypes for sorcerer if they are replacing the same thing... One changes your bloodline, the other basically gives you part of two different ones...
I would love to see paizo staff weigh in on this one either way, because I have about a dozen different character ideas and I want to know if I should pursue them or just abandon them...
Any official word yet on whether you can combine crossblooded with wildblooded?
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Crossblooded changes the way a sorcerer picks his bloodlines and gets his spells, it's clearly said you gain the two or have to pick one of your bonuses every time you get a new one ; wildblooded changes bloodlines by swapping arcanas, bonus spells, skills, powers.
It's like if the fighter had to select a weapon group he's proficient in at level 1, and you got an archetype "weapon master" that allowed you to gain two lists but needing you to choose only one weapon from each group ; while another variant "exotic weapons" changed the weapon groups to remove some choices and add others.
There is nothing that implies you can't stack them, and I'm pretty sure these two options were intended to work together. The only restriction is that wildblooded bloodlines are sorcerer-only.
Yeah, that is the way I was figuring it, I just like it when I can get official word if it is not entirely clear.
I was happy to be wrong on this one. You can mix the archetypes. So cross-blooded and wild-blooded can be mixed up as long as they don't cross up like using a wild-blooded and regular bloodline that are the same. You can even use wild-blooded for Eldritch Heritage.
I built a nice shapechanging concept I was never able to build before. Cross-blooded (Orc/Aberrant) with Eldritch Heritage (Infernal-Pit-touched) for +6 inherent bonus to strength and con. As well as SR and eventual immunity to crits, DR 5/-, and blindsight 60 feet. I can now use the Shapechange and polymorph spells to devastating effect and survive in melee combat.
I love the Ultimate Magic. I can't wait for the Ultimate Combat for more gaming goodness.
Why is are the "Wildblooded" bloodlines even Archetypes. Wizard sub-schools aren't... and these are the equivalent for Sorcerers.
Why is are the "Wildblooded" bloodlines even Archetypes. Wizard sub-schools aren't... and these are the equivalent for Sorcerers.
Because of the Eldritch Heritage feat chain. Since wildblooded is a sorcerer archetype, the wildblooded alternate bloodline arcana/powers cannot be gained by using the Eldritch Heritage feats, RAW.
A druid or summoner would love the arcana and Iron Hide power of the Bedrock wildblooded bloodline, a combat character would get a lot of use out of the Envenom power of the Envenomed wildblooded bloodline, a rogue or other sneaky type would love the Cloak of Shadows power of the Umbral wildblooded bloodline, etc.
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FAQ'ed 10/23/2013 - Crossblooded + Wildblooded not allowed (without GM permission)
Sorcerer, Crossblooded and Wildblooded: Can I take both of these archetypes for the same character?
Just curious. I noticed you necro'd several threads on this. Was there a reason to? This one in particular was 2 1/2 years old.
Isn't it obvious? He's the self-appointed extra helpful forum police, necroing threads that no one cares about anymore to tell them the same thing he tells everyone else in copy pasta, even if its entirely unrelated to what the thread was about. We should do this with all threads with answers related to FAQs.
Um, Necromancy is fun?
Bringing stuff back from the dead is cool, yo.
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honestly, this isn't a bad thing, and it isn't Necro'ing.
If you tend to search the forums for previous threads, before possibly re-asking an old question, having the old threads updated with links to the latest FAQs is a very handy thing.
I appreciate the effort that eldergod is going through.