Boon Companion for Druids?


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I have a druid I was planning on using in PFS play. I had hoped that this character could use the Boon Companion feat.

As I read the feat, the abilities of my companion would be calculated as though my class (druid) were four levels higher, with the bonus limited to my overall character level.

As a result, I get (for a straight Druid):

1st level Druid - 2nd level Animal Companion
2nd level Druid - 4th level Animal Companion
3rd level Druid - 6th level Animal Companion
4th level Druid - 8th level Animal Companion
5th level and up Druid - Animal Companion 4 levels higher than Druid level

The GM who typically runs the PFS games I participate in has indicated that he feels (if I understand him correctly) that the Boon Companion feat is limited to Rangers, Clerics and any other classes that don't receive Animal Companions until fourth level. In other words, the Boon Companion feat lets Rangers and other similar classes have companions as powerful as Druids. He feels that Druids aren't allowed to use the feat to increase the power of their Companions.

Has anyone run into this issue? Is there any "official" ruling as to how the Boon Companion feat applies to Druids in PFS play?

Eric

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

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Boon companion only helps multiclass druids. If you have 5 HD and they're all druid levels, you're already at your full HD in terms of your AC's level. If you have 10 HD and only 7 of them come from druid levels, you have 3 levels of AC advancement to work with with Boon Companion.

Liberty's Edge

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Mark Moreland wrote:
Boon companion only helps multiclass druids. If you have 5 HD and they're all druid levels, you're already at your full HD in terms of your AC's level. If you have 10 HD and only 7 of them come from druid levels, you have 3 levels of AC advancement to work with with Boon Companion.

Also Rangers, and any other class that has Animal Companions that is weaker then your character level.


PFSRD wrote:
The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, to a maximum bonus equal to your character level

Doesn't this imply that the BONUS is limited to your character level, rather than the TOTAL?

Shadow Lodge

See Eric, told you so. ;-)

Liberty's Edge

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
PFSRD wrote:
The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, to a maximum bonus equal to your character level
Doesn't this imply that the BONUS is limited to your character level, rather than the TOTAL?

Huh?... Rather then the Total What?... Character Level is the Total of all your Classes...So I am confused..


The text implies that the bonus is limited to your character level, and that the total level for the companion isn't.

So, a 3rd level druid would count as a 6th level druid, but not a 7th, because the bonus is limited by the character level.

Liberty's Edge

If it's any consolation, your interpretation is reasonable given the wording of the feat. Unfortunately, the wording is horrible and the author has clarified that the intent is that that the final level is limited by your character level.

Someday, that intent might be clarified in errata, FAQ, or what have you. In the meantime, Mark's post above is your official answer for PFS.


Howie23 wrote:

If it's any consolation, your interpretation is reasonable given the wording of the feat. Unfortunately, the wording is horrible and the author has clarified that the intent is that that the final level is limited by your character level.

Someday, that intent might be clarified in errata, FAQ, or what have you. In the meantime, Mark's post above is your official answer for PFS.

That's what I figured. I just wanted to point out that it's an easy mistake to make. I made it, for instance.

*Grumbles about Paizo having a vendetta against goat familiars*


Since both a developer and my GM (a Venture Captain!) have now conspired against me, I guess I'll have to rethink my character. I still think the wording of the Boon Companion feat supports my reading of the feat.

I just wish that:

(1) I wouldn't have to deal with the smug "I told you so" attitude that is already evident from my GM. It must have something to do with the school he attended - I've noticed a similar attitude in other people who've attended the same institution ;-) and

(2) the wording of the feat had been different. The simple insertion of "In no event shall the class level of your animal companion exceed your character level" would have prevented any misunderstanding in the first place.

Now retreating to sulk in the corner.

Eric


I'll be joining you in your sulk, Eric.

Liberty's Edge

eric99 wrote:

Since both a developer and my GM (a Venture Captain!) have now conspired against me, I guess I'll have to rethink my character. I still think the wording of the Boon Companion feat supports my reading of the feat.

I just wish that:

(1) I wouldn't have to deal with the smug "I told you so" attitude that is already evident from my GM. It must have something to do with the school he attended - I've noticed a similar attitude in other people who've attended the same institution ;-) and

(2) the wording of the feat had been different. The simple insertion of "In no event shall the class level of your animal companion exceed your character level" would have prevented any misunderstanding in the first place.

Now retreating to sulk in the corner.

Eric

You'll get a lot less 'I told you so's if you don't try to take advantage of weakly worded feats.

As with most things in life if something seems to good to be true, it is.


Us, taking advantage? The feat is fairly clear--in its incorrect way. :P
I could have optimized my rather useless witch a lot more by taking Extra Hex, but her strong bond with her familiar seemed to support taking Boon Companion. Your accusation is a little offensive.

Liberty's Edge

FEAT:

Benefit: The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, to a maximum bonus equal to your character level. If you have more than one animal companion or familiar, choose one to receive this benefit. If you lose or dismiss an animal companion or familiar, you may apply this feat to the replacement creature.

Seems that by simply taking out the word "bonus" would clarify the intent.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
I'll be joining you in your sulk, Eric.

Say hello to Achilles for us.

Grand Lodge

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A simple change that could make the feat a bit more clear...

Boon Companion
"The abilities of your animal companion (or familar) are calculated as though your druid (or wizard)-equivalent level were four levels higher, to a maximum level equal to your character level. If you have more than one animal companion or familiar, choose one to receive this benefit. If you lose or dismiss an animal companion or familiar, you may apply this feat to the replacement creature."


MultiClassClown wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
I'll be joining you in your sulk, Eric.
Say hello to Achilles for us.

Achilles never sulked about wasting Boon Companion. He murdered people who saw him waste Boon Companion.

Wait, which Achilles are we talking about? :P

Grand Lodge

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If you've got a copy of Complete Adventurer around, it's supposed to work like the Natural Bond feat, but with a maximum increase of +4 instead of +3.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
I'll be joining you in your sulk, Eric.
Say hello to Achilles for us.

Achilles never sulked about wasting Boon Companion. He murdered people who saw him waste Boon Companion.

Wait, which Achilles are we talking about? :P

Actually, it's a Tick reference, though Achilles DID sulk (just not about Boon Companion).

Grand Lodge

Kobold Cleaver wrote:
PFSRD wrote:
The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, to a maximum bonus equal to your character level
Doesn't this imply that the BONUS is limited to your character level, rather than the TOTAL?

I think I see one way how a single-classed Druid can benefit from having the Boon Companion feat.

A Druid who chooses the Animal domain instead of an animal companion will gain the benefit of an animal companion with an effective Druid Level at Character Level -3 (if I remember correctly).

My understanding of the rule is that this means that a 4th level or higher Druid can have an animal companion at his full character level instead by taking the Boon Companion feat.

This is correct, isn't it?


Dave Washburn wrote:
This is correct, isn't it?

Pretty sure it is, however you'd burn a feat and you'd have to wait until fifth level.

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