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Vanykrye wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

Intention: look up turn-of-the-century fashions for descriptions for characters in writing project

Actuality: fall down rabbit hole of Chicago banning hatpins because women used them for self-defense

Suffice to say, my assassin just got herself another weapon and a pimpin' chapeau.

Back during prohibition, the grandmother of one of my best friends from college killed her husband with one. He was a mean drunk.

Foot long steel spike? That's 1d4 damage. Probably 20/x3 on the crit due to depth of penetration. I'd even entertain an argument for x4.

Granted, someone will come along and argue it's an improvised weapon, call it 1d3 and 20/x2, but I'd say a hat pin is a special kind of improvised weapon that is an exception to the normal rules. Like an ice pick.

I have no idea what the PF2 rules would do with it.

I'm down with ice pick.

I'm also glad they are out of fashion. They would take eyes out on public transit.


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...It has a new, fitting nickname, now.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

Intention: look up turn-of-the-century fashions for descriptions for characters in writing project

Actuality: fall down rabbit hole of Chicago banning hatpins because women used them for self-defense

Suffice to say, my assassin just got herself another weapon and a pimpin' chapeau.

Back during prohibition, the grandmother of one of my best friends from college killed her husband with one. He was a mean drunk.

Foot long steel spike? That's 1d4 damage. Probably 20/x3 on the crit due to depth of penetration. I'd even entertain an argument for x4.

Granted, someone will come along and argue it's an improvised weapon, call it 1d3 and 20/x2, but I'd say a hat pin is a special kind of improvised weapon that is an exception to the normal rules. Like an ice pick.

I have no idea what the PF2 rules would do with it.

I'm down with ice pick.

I'm also glad they are out of fashion. They would take eyes out on public transit.

Doubtful they would do so on accident. Someone would have to be literally leaning against their head for an accidental poke.

I'd liken it more to a sword cane in that it's not improvised, but it's concealed and takes an action (or Quick Draw) to retrieve.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Well, I went for a very pleasant walk over lunch (managed to get lost and everything), and, oh my goodness, everyone was behaving admirably! There were dads playing with their kids, grandmas out walking their dogs, just all kinds of people enjoying the freedom of working from home...

...and we all nodded politely at each other and crossed the street to avoid each other meticulously.

I saw around 50 people on my walk, and didn't come within 3 meters of any of them.

In short, if you're all paying attention, it can be done under most circumstances

looks around

No...no it can't.


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Honestly, if hats were allowed in schools, I'd actually like to start getting hatpins. My head's too small for most hats, I live in a windy state, and chin-straps look like you're playing dress-up with Mommy's stuff.


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GothBard's immediate reaction to our being told to shelter in place: "I know we have around 3 month's worth of food in the house, but I'm going to get SO sick of it SO fast..."

Ah, well, I suspect the corner store will be open today, so I'll pick up even MORE stuff, 'cause, y'know, FOUR months of food can't possibly be enough.

(It's funny; I don't know whether the Health Department dinged them or something, but the corner store is the single-most hygienic store I've ever been in. They were masks and gloves to sort the greens. When they turn around to check you out, they throw out the gloves they had on, put on a new pair, check out everyone in line, throw out THOSE gloves, and start sorting again. I shudder to think what their glove cost must be. But I trust THEM not to infect me with anything.)


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Scintillae wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

Intention: look up turn-of-the-century fashions for descriptions for characters in writing project

Actuality: fall down rabbit hole of Chicago banning hatpins because women used them for self-defense

Suffice to say, my assassin just got herself another weapon and a pimpin' chapeau.

Back during prohibition, the grandmother of one of my best friends from college killed her husband with one. He was a mean drunk.

Foot long steel spike? That's 1d4 damage. Probably 20/x3 on the crit due to depth of penetration. I'd even entertain an argument for x4.

Granted, someone will come along and argue it's an improvised weapon, call it 1d3 and 20/x2, but I'd say a hat pin is a special kind of improvised weapon that is an exception to the normal rules. Like an ice pick.

I have no idea what the PF2 rules would do with it.

I'm down with ice pick.

I'm also glad they are out of fashion. They would take eyes out on public transit.

Doubtful they would do so on accident. Someone would have to be literally leaning against their head for an accidental poke.

I'd liken it more to a sword cane in that it's not improvised, but it's concealed and takes an action (or Quick Draw) to retrieve.

Not so much leaning as someone getting up from sitting and making their way towards the exit, especially if its crowded. Then again, I am sure there are ways to make them safe for passersby, knitting needle covers have existed for millennia, it would be far from impossible to make one for a hat.


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Scintillae wrote:
Honestly, if hats were allowed in schools, I'd actually like to start getting hatpins. My head's too small for most hats, I live in a windy state, and chin-straps look like you're playing dress-up with Mommy's stuff.

for some reason I picture you with a very serious, though modish, scooter helmet.


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I actually barely have any hats. I had a few, but I think they got lost in the move. So...I really just have the newsboy I found at Goodwill for 2 bucks.


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Falling further into the hatpin rabbit hole, apparently a term thrown about to vilify the hatpin-wearers was "petticoated swashbucklers."

How is it history can be so stupid while still providing the best phrases?


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Scintillae wrote:
I actually barely have any hats. I had a few, but I think they got lost in the move. So...I really just have the newsboy I found at Goodwill for 2 bucks.

People roundabouts would pay good money for a good newsboy.


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Scintillae wrote:

Falling further into the hatpin rabbit hole, apparently a term thrown about to vilify the hatpin-wearers was "petticoated swashbucklers."

How is it history can be so stupid while still providing the best phrases?

wasn't swashbuckler one of those terms that was originally incredibly insulting?


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Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

Falling further into the hatpin rabbit hole, apparently a term thrown about to vilify the hatpin-wearers was "petticoated swashbucklers."

How is it history can be so stupid while still providing the best phrases?

wasn't swashbuckler one of those terms that was originally incredibly insulting?

Not that I'm aware of. I've always understood it to be a combination of swash (swagger) and buckler (small shield) and typically used to describe Robin Hood types rather than the typical paladinny style knight.


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That said, I can see how they intended it to land: clearly, a swashbuckler is a chivalrous male hero, and any such behavior is gasp unbefitting a proper lady. These petticoated swashbucklers will never find themselves fit for marriage! drops monocle


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This is a flex


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Scintillae wrote:
That said, I can see how they intended it to land: clearly, a swashbuckler is a chivalrous male hero, and any such behavior is gasp unbefitting a proper lady. These petticoated swashbucklers will never find themselves fit for marriage! drops monocle

Scint, I am getting you a blood red oversized hat with stick pin so you can tell these fools what time it is.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
That said, I can see how they intended it to land: clearly, a swashbuckler is a chivalrous male hero, and any such behavior is gasp unbefitting a proper lady. These petticoated swashbucklers will never find themselves fit for marriage! drops monocle
Scint, I am getting you a blood red oversized hat with stick pin so you can tell these fools what time it is.

It's time to kick ass and change places, and we're running out of chairs at this Unbirthday Party.


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Scintillae wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

Falling further into the hatpin rabbit hole, apparently a term thrown about to vilify the hatpin-wearers was "petticoated swashbucklers."

How is it history can be so stupid while still providing the best phrases?

wasn't swashbuckler one of those terms that was originally incredibly insulting?
Not that I'm aware of. I've always understood it to be a combination of swash (swagger) and buckler (small shield) and typically used to describe Robin Hood types rather than the typical paladinny style knight.

I could see it as a "you're not a REAL manly man, you foppish oaf. You cant even afford armor and have to resort to disgracefully dirty tricks!" style putdown.


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I am so tired of this virus. Not because of it's negative effects, but they bring it up for everything. What's the weather tomorrow? Let's see how it will affect the pandemic. What's on TV? A character in a sitcom got Covid. Hell, even in BitLife all my characters keep catching it!


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So most folks know I'm not a drinker. My preferred libation is cannabis, but cv19 is killing my supply. My dealers are college students, and university is closed due to this s&#~.

Being deunk is not as fun as high. I dislike it.


But i can say i like this canadian off brand of fireball


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Well... wooooow...

We are formally under a legal shelter in place order, enforceable as a misdemeanor.

What irritates me is that the Marin County health official says, "Yes, you can still walk your dog."

Can I still go for a walk if I don't have a dog?

Maybe I'll just carry my cat around...

EDIT:
Section 10, Exemption (iii): To engage in outdoor activity, provided the individuals comply with Social Distancing Requirements as defined in this Section, such as, by way of example and without limitation, walking, hiking, or running.

EDIT 2:
And yes, I'm reading the legal PDF, because Lawful.

Scarab Sages

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Hats are super important.
Your LARP outfit is not complete without a (silly) hat.

Scarab Sages

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NobodysHome wrote:

Well... wooooow...

We are formally under a legal shelter in place order, enforceable as a misdemeanor.

What irritates me is that the Marin County health official says, "Yes, you can still walk your dog."

Can I still go for a walk if I don't have a dog?

Maybe I'll just carry my cat around...

Does it have to be a live dog? Actual dog? Would a taxidermy dog count? A drawing of a dog being dragged behind you on a leash?


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Hot dog on a leash. "Heel, Frank."


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We have a s#!& load of stuffed puppies, if you need some let me know I can mail you them.


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And yes we also have plenty of leashes for them too, so no worries!


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So, I'm going to say, I'm pretty impressed how my local and state governments are dealing with this.

With testing utterly inadequate and no help coming from the Feds, they're just locking us all down for 3 weeks starting tomorrow.

There are only 5 reasons you can go out:
(1) To get medical supplies or supplies to work from home.
(2) To purchase food or sanitation products.
(3) To engage in outdoor activity.
(4) To perform work providing essential services.
(5) To care for a family member or pet in another household.

I really like that they realized that, "Outdoor activities" was something most people could do safely...


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
I am so tired of this virus. Not because of it's negative effects, but they bring it up for everything. What's the weather tomorrow? Let's see how it will affect the pandemic. What's on TV? A character in a sitcom got Covid. Hell, even in BitLife all my characters keep catching it!

The stuffed puppy CY sent me had the coronavirus!


Can't actually tell what's happening in the forums right now. Hopefully this goes through!

So, this super-important post is to inform you: Loony Toons are canonically the same height as Halflings!
(Lola is 3;2" and Bugs is 3'3" [4' including ears])

((I'm watching Space Jam with the kids.))


Vanykrye wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Orthos wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
The South bites.
It did before the virus, and it will after.
Forever and ever, Amen.
Orthos...you didn't have to put that song in my head. You really didn't.
It says something about how long it's been since I listened regularly to country music that I had to Google it to find out what song I'd unintentionally referenced.

I still don't get it.

Granted I don't Google country music, ever.

Though I do listen to a bit of it.

Randy Travis.

Pardon me...I have to...go...

Glad you linked it! Love that song!


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NobodysHome wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
I am so tired of this virus. Not because of it's negative effects, but they bring it up for everything. What's the weather tomorrow? Let's see how it will affect the pandemic. What's on TV? A character in a sitcom got Covid. Hell, even in BitLife all my characters keep catching it!
The stuffed puppy CY sent me had the coronavirus!

I assure you, even if we were carrying the virus, there is no way in hell the General is letting anything leave or enter the house without getting doused in bleach or soap and water.

So, IF the puppy has the virus blame the post office.


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Scintillae wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:

Falling further into the hatpin rabbit hole, apparently a term thrown about to vilify the hatpin-wearers was "petticoated swashbucklers."

How is it history can be so stupid while still providing the best phrases?

wasn't swashbuckler one of those terms that was originally incredibly insulting?
Not that I'm aware of. I've always understood it to be a combination of swash (swagger) and buckler (small shield) and typically used to describe Robin Hood types rather than the typical paladinny style knight.

Swash = the sound your sword makes as you walk around Southwark, swiping it against your buckler* to announce to the other roaring boyes that you are out for bother and wanting a scrap.

*If you happen to have a sword-like bit of metal and a shield like object, especially one with metal parts, try it, and you'll see what I mean.


gran rey de los mono wrote:
Bel-mrooks wrote:
Or we could cut back to see the filming studio and then just have the characters wonder around messing up other movies. It will be hilarious.
Just make sure your Robin Hood can speak with an English accent.

From what I've been told, the British accent is an accent that developed over time - back in Ye Ancient England (even from when they were written over several centuries) would have been more like the generic American (non-)accent.

As an aside, from what I've seen on linguistic YouTube channels (so, you know, salt grains), you can tell that the base "American" accent - rather than the regional accents, so no Boston/Southern-Texas-etc./Brooklyn/etc. - is not actually accented (nor uniquely American) due to they way the majority of people sing without or with minimal accent, and it defaults towards that. Makes me wonder what or how that holds across other languages.


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NobodysHome wrote:

(4) First day of the mass work-from-home for the family. The REAL issue is going to be to get the kids to actually DO any work. Working from home is hard because it requires self-discipline, which both the kids utterly lack. So *my* working from home is going to be MUCH harder, because I'm going to be spending a lot of time pushing theirs.

Being an IT wizard, I bet you could fix it so, every half hour or so, the Stern Visage of a random FAWTLy appeared on their screen to order them to stop slacking and get back to being a productive citizen.


Sharoth wrote:
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire

Hm! Must check this out??


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NobodysHome wrote:

(1) Shiro points out how the U.S. coronavirus response proves just how realistic zombie plague movies actually are.

(2) Nice article about a couple of brothers in Tennessee buying up 18,000 packs of Purell, then complaining that their price gouging wasn't going well enough for them.

(3) My father-in-law asked me to order some rubbing alcohol from Amazon for him, since it wasn't available in any of his local stores. I learned that even Amazon is sold out of stuff like hand sanitizer and rubbing alcohol. I mean seriously, WTF, people?
I know I said it before, but shouldn't you already have a supply of cleaning stuff in your house?!?!?

(4) First day of the mass work-from-home for the family. The REAL issue is going to be to get the kids to actually DO any work. Working from home is hard because it requires self-discipline, which both the kids utterly lack. So *my* working from home is going to be MUCH harder, because I'm going to be spending a lot of time pushing theirs.

Self-what, now?


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Vampire: The Dark Ages, 20th anniversary edition is currently available for free! (DriveThru)


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Tacticslion wrote:
...
Self-what, now?

Aaaand... cue the madness.

A direct copy-and-paste from the PDF:

Shelter in Place Order wrote:

10.a. For purposes of this Order, individuals may leave their residence only to perform any of the following Essential Activities.

...

10.a.ii. To obtain necessary services or supplies for themselves and their family or household members,or to deliver those services or supplies to others,such as, by way of example only and without limitation, canned food, dry goods, fresh fruits and vegetables, pet supply, fresh meats, fish, and poultry, and any other household consumer products, and products necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation, and essential operation of residences.

In other words, GROCERY SHOPPING IS OK.

In every announcement they've released, they've said, "You're still going to be able to shop for groceries. Grocery stores will not be closing."

So yeah, I tried to go to the corner store to pick up some stuff for tonight's dinner and the line went the entire length of the store and then some.

Urrr...

EDIT: Just tiraded at GothBard about it and apparently EVERYONE at her work is complaining about it. Everyone got the phone call, panicked, and is shopping as if they're going to be locked away for 3 weeks with no groceries.

*SIGH*

EDIT: My favorite bit of irony in the whole thing? All those people packed together in their panicked buying were violating both the "social space" mandates (6' or 2m between each person) and the "social gathering" mandates (no more than 50 people in a room). Leads me to wonder how many of them will get sick thanks to that last-minute shopping trip. (Honestly, I think the answer will be 0 because we're a fairly small, closed-off community, but as I keep saying, losing your mind during an emergency may be "natural", but it's not smart.)


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This is really starting to chafe.


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Well, I had a really good conversation with my mother-in-law on Saturday.

Everybody feels fear. Everyone can be overwhelmed by fear. Everyone can react irrationally. From my cats to my kids to the kids I chaperone, I've been scratched, punched, and kicked in the face because they were in fear or pain or both and were reacting irrationally to it.

And I freely forgive them all, because it's natural.

But once that initial, gut-level fear has worn off, after 5 minutes, or 10, or an hour, it's your job as a rational, thinking human being to say, "OK, I'm terrified. I don't know what's going on. Let me get more information and make sure I don't do anything stupid."

Yep. That's my bar. "Don't do anything stupid."

The crowd at the corner store? They all ran their foreheads into that bar with great force. They were intentionally exposing themselves to the virus because they let their fear keep them from thinking rationally not for seconds, nor minutes, but for HOURS.

That's where I draw my personal line. Others are free to differ. I just don't have the patience for it.

EDIT: And I hope VE will forgive me for this but he's freely shared his fear with us. His feelings of being overwhelmed, and unable to function for hours on end because of heart-gripping, soul-crushing fear. Yet he doesn't go out and roll in infected needles when he's afraid. He locks himself away, stays home, and waits for the fear to pass.
Like a rational human being overcome by irrational fear. It's the smart thing to do.


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Nylarthotep wrote:

It is mostly the convenience. When you walk into a building, you can squirt a few dollops onto hands and hope that whatever was on door handles did not stick to you long enough to matter. Or say you leave a heavily traveled break room and don't have a bathroom on way back to your office/cube/desk, you sit down and squirt a few dollops.

Americans are all about convenience. 20 seconds is a long time to wash your hands for most people. Sanitizer is a 5 second fix.

I have to say. As someone who enforces 20 seconds of hand-washing, it's really hard. When you want to do literally anything else, 20 seconds is a long, long time.


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Orthos wrote:
Nylarthotep wrote:

It is mostly the convenience. When you walk into a building, you can squirt a few dollops onto hands and hope that whatever was on door handles did not stick to you long enough to matter. Or say you leave a heavily traveled break room and don't have a bathroom on way back to your office/cube/desk, you sit down and squirt a few dollops.

Americans are all about convenience. 20 seconds is a long time to wash your hands for most people. Sanitizer is a 5 second fix.

Meanwhile I avoid the hell out of it unless absolutely necessary because I despise the smell. Regular old soap and water is perfectly fine for me, extra 30-60 seconds or not, better than having that scent lingering around me for any amount of time.

This is absolutely true of me. Alcohol of any sort makes me nauseous and hand sanitizer (while not the worst) is unpleasant, especially in high amounts. I use it when necessary, but vastly prefer to wash with soap than that.


Woran wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Well, would you look at that? It's Day 1000.

And it's pretty scary. Almost 3 years into my sobriety, I still crave alcohol multiple times a week. It's true what they say: Once your body is hardwired to think it needs it, there's nothing you can do but abstain.

This whole idea of, "Moderation is better than cold turkey," is gaining ground in the scientific community, but as someone for whom moderation has never been easy, I just don't see myself starting drinking again any time in the near future.

Once I'm retired (so not working) and not raising the kids, maybe I'll give it a chance.

But I lost 10 years of my life to the stuff, and I just have no temptation to go back down that rabbit hole.

** spoiler omitted **...
*all the internet hugs*

SECONDED! MORE HUGS!


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There's something just *oh so thrilling* about being reclassified from 'glorified stockperson who orders stuff' to 'ESSENTIAL PERSONNEL'.

...Especially when folks don't understand that standing in the aisles yakking with their best bro/gurl/etc is causing twenty other people to pile up around them at less than arm-length.

...because everything else is *closed*.

Today was my day off. Woke up with sore throat and clogged sinuses, but it passed after some water.

Went and got a haircut once I was sure I wasn't emanating or radiating death.

Sign on haircut place door: "Please, if you're sick, we'll reschedule/fit you in when you're not, it's not worth getting everyone sick"

One of the customers ahead of me getting their hair cut let out such a hacking cough and *everyone* cringed and ducked for cover like one might have thought there was a mass shooter incident going on.

After that fit the customer stopped coughing and was breathing normally. Person who was cutting their hair? Has a compromised immune system and isn't allowed by their corporate policy to wear their protective mask at work 'because it gives the wrong impression to the customers'.

Went to the bank to put checks in (been very busy the last three weeks and this was the first chance I had to do it.)

Grocery store that has the bank in it is three times the size of the one I work at.

People were *still* stacked up nearly like cordwood in the aisles, shoulder to shoulder, impossible to get through the bulk of the store.

I'm not ashamed to admit I pulled my t-shirt over my mouth and quickly walked from the store.

It's at times like this I wish we were allowed to be armed at work..


Scintillae wrote:

Falling further into the hatpin rabbit hole, apparently a term thrown about to vilify the hatpin-wearers was "petticoated swashbucklers."

How is it history can be so stupid while still providing the best phrases?

And why is this villainous? That sounds so cool!


mildly annoyed Vidmaster7 wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:

Hello, everyone.

I'm sad, right now. The nearest movie theater to me got sold. Nearly every movie that I've seen between June of '16 and now was seen there.
So, what will the new owners do? They're going to tear it down and put a dog park in the plot. Please pardon the language, but these people have lost their f@!~ing minds!

Just straight up time to move.

Hey. As long as this is on the table, let me mention: while it gets (justifiably) mocked a lot, there isn't anywhere that I've lived in FL (well, maybe Miami) that has nearly as crappy treatment of their employees as the place you currently work at is. Ocala, in particular, is nice.

Now, I'm certain that there are terrible places, here. But! It's really quite a lovely place, and I'm certain you can find places around here. If you have to have big cities, there's Orlando and Miami!

(I recognize that we have a former Jacksonian who doesn't admire that place, but as I've not lived there, I can't comment. Though one of my favorite comedy YouTube channels is centered there! They make fun D&D videos; I absolutely avoid any of their "drunk" videos, but I do that anyway as a matter of principal for all people that have them.)


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Gun Sales Surge
Gun sales are surging in many U.S. states, especially in those hit hardest by the coronavirus — California, New York and Washington.


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CrystalSeas wrote:

Gun Sales Surge

Gun sales are surging in many U.S. states, especially in those hit hardest by the coronavirus — California, New York and Washington.

... we really are living in a zombie film.


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That's why all my weapons are improvised.

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