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Wisconsin left things as they are, if it worked for FDR it must be right!
I thought FDR was to the left...
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Wisconsin left things as they are, if it worked for FDR it must be right!I thought FDR was to the left...
Yes, and so was Bob Lafolette, all that matters is they were simpler times.
That's all that matters, as long as everything is as uncomplicated as possible.
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Let’s just be clear - DST as an on/off twice yearly ritual sucks and needs to go away.
So, proponents of “hour forward” or permanent DST suggest the extra sunlight could be good for us.
Proponents of no DST suggest it’s closer to our natural rhythms.
So what if we - and this is a complex idea, but stay with me - what if we... set our clocks half an hour ahead of what was expected as “standard” time. And just left them there. Forever. Difficult conceptually, I know.
My issue is that I'm a physicist. "Noon" is approximately when the sun hits its highest point in the sky. (Yeah, yeah, an approximation.) "Midnight" is the opposite.
I'd rather see people play with work and school start times than mess with the clock so that we have to teach kids, "Yeah, 'high noon' is actually an hour before the sun's zenith, 'cause we couldn't handle actually, y'know, changing traditional start times or anything."
Seems just sad. "It's easier to change everyone's clock than it is for me to open my store an hour earlier."
There's some real trouble with all that, time shifting, though, regardless of clock switching (which is just silly and symptomatic, instead of either productive or truly problematic) - people either adjust to the seasonal change or they don't.
The difference between "high noon" and "noon" seems much like the distinction between magnetic north and rotational north: those are rather different places on the map, but they map "well enough" for the "majority" of time. And where they don't, it gets outright impossible anyway: the further north or south one gets from the equator the further separated one gets from any reasonable "central" variant of "high-noon" at all.
If we're really going to try to posit the whole "one time for really real life" thing, I would suggest starting at the equator (and nearby) and going from there.
Designate "true noon" when it's high noon (more or less) there (based, of course, on various time-zones), and local "high noon" based on variance from it. It's consistent, it is based on nature, and it only varies in the same way magnetic and polar north do.
As for shifting sleep times, a lot of problems come into play there, too - some of the major negative issues that arise from DST is forcibly shifting everyone's sleep habits around (ranging from days of increased car accidents, bad attitudes, all leading to financial and social issues). The idea of DST is to bring people into the sunlight more (that has good health and societal benefits), hyyyyyyyypothetically helps the energy budget and saves cash (neither nearly so much in more developed countries as in less, though, and it's questionable if they actually do at all; and many less developed countries do not follow DST), and works towards that standardization of "noon" (sort of; it still doesn't work when you get too far north or south).
In practice, though, it also causes sleep disruption, which leads to a lot of extremely and demonstrably problematic issues.
It would be best if we, as a society, simply adjusted our sleep schedule in micro-instances as the days proceed. But that's never gonna happen. Not really, and not practically.
Thus the question comes - should we alter our schedule at all? DST-active says that we should, but its actual benefits are minimized (not absent, just minimized) in modern settings, while non-DST or DST-permanent says that it is not. I agree with the idea that we shouldn't, because I hate it. "Getting an extra hour" is nice, but it's irrelevant, because I could just choose whatever my schedule is and sticking with that is (I feel) better.
I mean, if I had my way, I'd sleep at 3:30 AM, wake at 11:30 AM (I think that's on DST), and go about my business. I've never been as well rested and physically healthy as when I'm able to do that (which I've shown off a couple of times during the summer). But that's suuuuper not practical for literally anything in real life at all, so I move to a "real" schedule that real life actually needs me to have, and proceed from there and it works.
But this is me ranting and rambling 'cause I'm tired and grumpy daggummit. XD
Nobody, we can't get people to reliably wash their hands in the bathroom. Changing a clock is advanced.Let’s just be clear - DST as an on/off twice yearly ritual sucks and needs to go away.
So, proponents of “hour forward” or permanent DST suggest the extra sunlight could be good for us.
Proponents of no DST suggest it’s closer to our natural rhythms.
So what if we - and this is a complex idea, but stay with me - what if we... set our clocks half an hour ahead of what was expected as “standard” time. And just left them there. Forever. Difficult conceptually, I know.
My issue is that I'm a physicist. "Noon" is approximately when the sun hits its highest point in the sky. (Yeah, yeah, an approximation.) "Midnight" is the opposite.
I'd rather see people play with work and school start times than mess with the clock so that we have to teach kids, "Yeah, 'high noon' is actually an hour before the sun's zenith, 'cause we couldn't handle actually, y'know, changing traditional start times or anything."
Seems just sad. "It's easier to change everyone's clock than it is for me to open my store an hour earlier."
Okay, well, also.
I am so tired.
Tired-high-five!
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If therern't two hornswoglin' varmints a-starin' at each other on Main Street, hands above their holsters, then 'taint high noon, pardner. Y'all can set yer fob-watches by it.
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Given that we can only see the sun two days out of 367, noon is a mere formality for us.
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Had eye migrain yesterday. I have no symptoms today, but the weariness stays with meI am so tired.Tired-high-five!
Condolences. I know that feeling well. I don't get migraines often, but when I do, they completely wipe me out.
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Freehold sadness moment:
Last night it was cool, but not cold, and crisp; maybe in the high 58s. Puffy clouds skidded across under a glowing moon, and the scent of jasmine was everywhere.
Spring is here, Freehold. Spring is here...
Believe it or not, I have nothing against Spring. Or Summer. Or Autumn. Winter is my favorite, yes, but I like all seasons in their time.
We did not have a Winter this year. So I am miffed.
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Well, we sure as hell did.
But the grey, dead landscape is going away, and leaves and happiness are coming out.
I used to hate every season EXCEPT winter, because, well, Florida. Now, I like all except the very deadest part of winter, not because of the cold, but because the landscape looks like the opening scenes for an 80s horror movie.
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...though I think Spring might be my new favorite.
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As far as DST and clocks and such - why don't we just, you know, let the sun and it's shadow and such, you know, the way we kinda set it for centuries, be the guide regionally, regardless of season?
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As far as DST and clocks and such - why don't we just, you know, let the sun and it's shadow and such, you know, the way we kinda set it for centuries, be the guide regionally, regardless of season?
Because Big Business. Why won't anybody think about Big Business?! If we can't protect our Big Business, how can we look at ourselves in the mirror?
Snark aside though...because of big businesses (and other large entities) needing to know exactly what time it is anywhere in the world without consulting a local sundial.
Especially transportation groups - planes, trains, etc.
Without a rigidly enforced sense of local time, these things would be a nightmare.
Well, okay. More of a nightmare.
There's also much to be said about multinational cooperation and temporal planning, among other things.
As I said - ideally we'd let the natural rhythms set our path.
Practically our society is simply too large and involved for that to function.
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...though I think Spring might be my new favorite.
Pfft. March birthdays are lame.
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Especially transportation groups - planes, trains, etc.
Without a rigidly enforced sense of local time, these things would be a nightmare.
Well, okay. More of a nightmare.
There's also much to be said about multinational cooperation and temporal planning, among other things.
As I said - ideally we'd let the natural rhythms set our path.
Practically our society is simply too large and involved for that to function.
I don't necessarily mean down to the local minute, but what I mean is let the seasons themselves constitute the adjustments and standard of what it should be. Say, find the geographical center of said time zone and set it to the local sundial of that region, for example.
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I'm a fan of all seasons as well
Spring is farthest from winter.
Summer I get ripped.
Fall has Halloween.
Winter I get paid the most per hour and get to torture random college students with a hard day's work (the bane of all college students).
Edit: Wait a minute, I get to do the last one in the summer too.
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The group of toddlers that wait for their older siblings in Tiny T-Rex's class are gathering sumac blossoms from the mud and putting them on an improvised shrine on top of a tree stump.
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I don't necessarily mean down to the local minute, but what I mean is let the seasons themselves constitute the adjustments and standard of what it should be. Say, find the geographical center of said time zone and set it to the local sundial of that region, for example.Especially transportation groups - planes, trains, etc.
Without a rigidly enforced sense of local time, these things would be a nightmare.
Well, okay. More of a nightmare.
There's also much to be said about multinational cooperation and temporal planning, among other things.
As I said - ideally we'd let the natural rhythms set our path.
Practically our society is simply too large and involved for that to function.
Keep in mind that I don't disagree with you on the level of "this would be best for people". I'm just stating my opinion of why it's not.
Business. Government. All large institutions. All of them need stability. Constantly adjusting time zones based on the season *causes issues*. Further up, Diablo Shrimp...errr...Scint...made a very on-the-nose joke about Texas. But she added something at the end that has so much accuracy it's almost like she's been in IT at some point.
Back in...2006ish? 2008ish?...when Congress changed when DST changes occurred roughly 15 years ago, it triggered an absolute nightmare at Microsoft. They had to get a patch written, tested, rewritten, retested, and deployed to every Windows-based PC in the world because the US decided when to change our DST change dates, and they didn't have a lot of time to do it. Every (99.5%, I'll guesstimate) business was worried about what was going to happen and if Microsoft could pull it off in time without issues. Most of the larger corporations were in direct communication with Microsoft about this. Some of their engineers had to put in staggering amounts of overtime. Turns out they pulled it off, but that patch was only sent out to the world about a week or two before the new date, if memory is still working.
A few years ago Indiana decided that after *years* of not observing DST, they would abandon that and change times with the rest of the Eastern time zone. Microsoft had to go through that whole deal again because of a single state making a "simple" change.
These are two *small* examples of what happens at *one* single company because of a change in the definition of "what time is it?" So what happens if Microsoft wasn't successful? All automated systems...all of them...need to know what time it is to the second, at worst. What happens if every time zone subtly changes what time it is based on the position of the sun throughout the year?
It's simply not realistic (yet). Businesses don't really function well when everything is stable. Everyday people...for good and ill...rely on businesses to be doing their jobs consistently and correctly as part of their everyday lives.
And here's the last part of this...
Illinois and Texas are in the same time zone. It gets darker in Illinois about 45 minutes before it does in Dallas-Ft Worth. How long before the people of Illinois and the people of Texas both decide that if time zones can adjust the local time based on local position of the sun, that they shouldn't further subdivide the time zones for better accuracy? There's also current precedent for it - there are several time zones in the world that are only 15/30/45 minutes different from their neighbors. I'm not necessarily talking about lightly populated places either. I'm talking New Dehli.
Someday computer programming is going to be flexible enough to keep up with a "'constantly' changing local time" concept, but we're nowhere near ready for that. And even when it does happen, it will still be years before businesses are willing to trust it. Even longer for government agencies. Even longer than that for it to actually get implelemented. It could happen in our lifetimes. Well, not NH's. But everybody else's. Honestly I'm surprised NH survived the advent of mass production and the Model T.
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As someone who grew up there, this is accurate.Texas declares its own entire time zone. It's just like CDT, but don't tell them that.Texas, upon realizing this, decides that everything in Texas is bigger and declares hours to be 75 minutes. They double down and lengthen the days, snowballing frantically into the creation of the Lone Star Calendar rather than admit they've made an error. This requires immediate mandatory overtime from statewide IT departments as they try to convert their computers to a calendar that didn't exist 5 minutes ago and is supported by nothing.
You gotta be kidding me.
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...lots of considerations...
I don't know whether people misinterpreted me or what, but my point was that we have a set of time zones already. All we need to do is set all of those zones to STANDARD time so they never change. I despise all things "Daylight Savings". Plus, programming, "The time never changes" is significantly easier than figuring out how to autocorrect time every time a state does something stupid.
California had a proposition last year: "Shall we ask Congress permission to be put on permanent Daylight Savings Time?"
I voted, "No."
Because I am stubborn and old and I want time to have some relationship to the world around me.
If we're going to arbitrarily choose noon, why don't we put it at around 6:00 pm so we can replace dinner with lunch? Makes just as much sense to me as Daylight Savings Time.
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...though I think Spring might be my new favorite.Pfft. March birthdays are lame.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MONTH!
Your share it with Vagrant Infantite and quite a few of my relatives!
Good month!
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...lots of considerations...I don't know whether people misinterpreted me or what, but my point was that we have a set of time zones already. All we need to do is set all of those zones to STANDARD time so they never change. I despise all things "Daylight Savings". Plus, programming, "The time never changes" is significantly easier than figuring out how to autocorrect time every time a state does something stupid.
California had a proposition last year: "Shall we ask Congress permission to be put on permanent Daylight Savings Time?"
I voted, "No."Because I am stubborn and old and I want time to have some relationship to the world around me.
If we're going to arbitrarily choose noon, why don't we put it at around 6:00 pm so we can replace dinner with lunch? Makes just as much sense to me as Daylight Savings Time.
No, we understand you, and I agree - standard time would make the most sense. But Vany's right in that not every state would agree to go back to standard regardless of how much chaos the differences will cause. People are stupid and shortsighted as a whole. One state will pick DST rather than standard, and now the state-border-commuters are screwed.
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Business. Government. All large institutions. All of them need stability. Constantly adjusting time zones based on the season *causes issues*. Further up, Diablo Shrimp...errr...Scint...made a very on-the-nose joke about Texas. But she added something at the end that has so much accuracy it's almost like she's been in IT at some point.
1. I'm never losing that nickname, am I?
2. Does watching IT Crowd count?
I don’t know - did you turn it off and back on again?
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Business. Government. All large institutions.
See, herein lies the thing...
I hate all of those things and consider their needs irrelevant.
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I honestly don't care if its daylight or standard time, I just don't want them to change twice a year.
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Business. Government. All large institutions.See, herein lies the thing...
I hate all of those things and consider their needs irrelevant.
While that's fair as a personal opinion, those are the things that make these kinds of decisions. As such they probably feel the same about our opinions.
Snark aside, if this sort of thing is going to actually get done, those are the groups you have to convince, without them nothing changes.
Whether we like it or not, whether we like THEM or not, is what's irrelevant. Those groups and others of equivalent size and influence are what determine how the world operates. Dismissing that with "I don't like them therefore don't care" is missing the point.
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Business. Government. All large institutions. All of them need stability. Constantly adjusting time zones based on the season *causes issues*. Further up, Diablo Shrimp...errr...Scint...made a very on-the-nose joke about Texas. But she added something at the end that has so much accuracy it's almost like she's been in IT at some point.1. I'm never losing that nickname, am I?
2. Does watching IT Crowd count?
No. No.
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I honestly don't care if its daylight or standard time, I just don't want them to change twice a year.
Three times a year, no problem.
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No, we understand you, and I agree - standard time would make the most sense. But Vany's right in that not every state would agree to go back to standard regardless of how much chaos the differences will cause. People are stupid and shortsighted as a whole. One state will pick DST rather than standard, and now the state-border-commuters are screwed....lots of considerations...I don't know whether people misinterpreted me or what, but my point was that we have a set of time zones already. All we need to do is set all of those zones to STANDARD time so they never change. I despise all things "Daylight Savings". Plus, programming, "The time never changes" is significantly easier than figuring out how to autocorrect time every time a state does something stupid.
California had a proposition last year: "Shall we ask Congress permission to be put on permanent Daylight Savings Time?"
I voted, "No."Because I am stubborn and old and I want time to have some relationship to the world around me.
If we're going to arbitrarily choose noon, why don't we put it at around 6:00 pm so we can replace dinner with lunch? Makes just as much sense to me as Daylight Savings Time.
That's exactly what's happening with Illinois right now. The bill is for permanent CDT.
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It was 82 today.
It is still officially winter.
I hate Texas.
Also, the AC in my car doesn't work because it is old.
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While catching up on post today, there were so many to which I had the urge to type, "[Name] gets cookies" that I'm just declaring this "cookies for everyfawtl" day.
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Business. Government. All large institutions. All of them need stability. Constantly adjusting time zones based on the season *causes issues*. Further up, Diablo Shrimp...errr...Scint...made a very on-the-nose joke about Texas. But she added something at the end that has so much accuracy it's almost like she's been in IT at some point.1. I'm never losing that nickname, am I?
2. Does watching IT Crowd count?
1. I was planning on only bringing it up once every few months or so. I'd eventually forget about it. Kinda like calling Freehold "Mighty Mouse". But if it does actually bother you I won't do it anymore. Very simple with me.
2. I don't want to answer this one truthfully. It does. A little.
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Business. Government. All large institutions.See, herein lies the thing...
I hate all of those things and consider their needs irrelevant.
While that's fair as a personal opinion, those are the things that make these kinds of decisions. As such they probably feel the same about our opinions.
Snark aside, if this sort of thing is going to actually get done, those are the groups you have to convince, without them nothing changes.
Whether we like it or not, whether we like THEM or not, is what's irrelevant. Those groups and others of equivalent size and influence are what determine how the world operates. Dismissing that with "I don't like them therefore don't care" is missing the point.
Orthos is right.
VE - Best example I can give: Regardless of how we all feel about pharmaceutical companies and pharmacies in general, we all still need our medications and we need those refills on time or bad s!*% happens.
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Business. Government. All large institutions. All of them need stability. Constantly adjusting time zones based on the season *causes issues*. Further up, Diablo Shrimp...errr...Scint...made a very on-the-nose joke about Texas. But she added something at the end that has so much accuracy it's almost like she's been in IT at some point.1. I'm never losing that nickname, am I?
2. Does watching IT Crowd count?1. I was planning on only bringing it up once every few months or so. I'd eventually forget about it. Kinda like calling Freehold "Mighty Mouse". But if it does actually bother you I won't do it anymore. Very simple with me.
2. I don't want to answer this one truthfully. It does. A little.
Nah, doesn't really bother me.
I will admit that our school's tech guys like me because I include the phrase "I already tried restarting the browser and rebooting the computer" in all my tickets.
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Business. Government. All large institutions. All of them need stability. Constantly adjusting time zones based on the season *causes issues*. Further up, Diablo Shrimp...errr...Scint...made a very on-the-nose joke about Texas. But she added something at the end that has so much accuracy it's almost like she's been in IT at some point.1. I'm never losing that nickname, am I?
2. Does watching IT Crowd count?1. I was planning on only bringing it up once every few months or so. I'd eventually forget about it. Kinda like calling Freehold "Mighty Mouse". But if it does actually bother you I won't do it anymore. Very simple with me.
2. I don't want to answer this one truthfully. It does. A little.
Nah, doesn't really bother me.
I will admit that our school's tech guys like me because I include the phrase "I already tried restarting the browser and rebooting the computer" in all my tickets.
Next time write "I tried giving an offering to All Mighty Cthulhu, but no dice" or something like that.
Boo! Being sick sucks!
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While catching up on post today, there were so many to which I had the urge to type, "[Name] gets cookies" that I'm just declaring this "cookies for everyfawtl" day.
Yay! Getting cookies is anti-suck! I need that right now.
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It was 82 today.
It is still officially winter.
I hate Texas.
Also, the AC in my car doesn't work because it is old.
I love texas!
Because you live there.
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While catching up on post today, there were so many to which I had the urge to type, "[Name] gets cookies" that I'm just declaring this "cookies for everyfawtl" day.
MARCH 11TH IS FAWTL COOKIE DAY
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I learned this Saturday is Pi Day.
This is the first year I found out before Pi Day.
Of course, being somewhat contrary in nature, I'm tempted to bake a cake instead (I've never baked a cake).
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Next time write "I tried giving an offering to All Mighty Cthulhu, but no dice" or something like that.Business. Government. All large institutions. All of them need stability. Constantly adjusting time zones based on the season *causes issues*. Further up, Diablo Shrimp...errr...Scint...made a very on-the-nose joke about Texas. But she added something at the end that has so much accuracy it's almost like she's been in IT at some point.1. I'm never losing that nickname, am I?
2. Does watching IT Crowd count?1. I was planning on only bringing it up once every few months or so. I'd eventually forget about it. Kinda like calling Freehold "Mighty Mouse". But if it does actually bother you I won't do it anymore. Very simple with me.
2. I don't want to answer this one truthfully. It does. A little.
Nah, doesn't really bother me.
I will admit that our school's tech guys like me because I include the phrase "I already tried restarting the browser and rebooting the computer" in all my tickets.
Or, better yet "I tried to make an offering to mighty Cthulhu but he demanded you instead".
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Congrats on the new baby The Vagrant Erudite!
YAY!
Congrats on the new baby!"HELLO there lil' Vagrant Infantite!"
:)
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Well, I've had a fun couple of weeks. I failed my driver's test last week, and I passed the motorcycle safety course today. Since I already have my M1 learner's permit, that means I get my M1 license as soon as I get the certificate of completion from the school and give it to the DMV. So I kinda sorta got my driver's license today! I mean, what California is going to issue me says driver's license on it, though it is only a class M1, not a class C, and in no way authorizes me to operate a car, only a motorcycle or scooter.
I can't retake the driver's test until mid-June at the earliest because of how horrifically booked out they are, but suddenly it doesn't matter so much. I earned a motorcycle license, I have access to motorized transportation.
Now I need to find the right bike. I've been riding a crappy ADV (street legal dirt bike basically), and I know I NEED a motorcycle now that I've ridden a motorcycle, but I think I want a cheap, light cruiser to start. Like a Honda Rebel, except I'm kinda big, so maybe something a bit taller. But that kind of bike.
Or I could buy some sort of crotch rocket I can in no way handle, and that doesn't even fit what I want to use a motorcycle for, and then proceed to ride around like a squid. That's also a valid option.
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How have I never heard of Batman v. Ninja Turtles?!
(Spoilers, by the way!)