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Thanks! We are already have Pediasure and yogurt, though (by doctor). I’m mostly asking if either could somehow be made into a pie of some sort - I don’t know what sort. It probably isn’t clear because I’m rambly and the accursed daystar has only broken the horizon a mere three hours ago instead of six hours ago, when decent people wake up. And if your post tells me how to make pie: that just shows how little I understand kitchen.
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So, Global Megacorporation, ignoring years of research that contraindicates such behavior, requires us to change all of our passwords every 90 days. (Frequent password changes lead to using easy-to-remember (thus easy-to-crack) passwords, writing down passwords, re-use of passwords between accounts, and other less-than-ideal behavior.)
Even worse, on the password reset page, we are required to provide a justification as to why we're changing passwords.
So yep.
IT: It's been 90 days! You MUST change your password!
NobodysHome: OK. Here's the new one.
IT: Why are you changing your password? You're not allowed to change it without a justification!
NH: *SIGH*
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I thought the scene with cap and peggy was telling. You see the camera zoom in, and the door is open. Open doors signify new beginnings, but also that a scene is not done. For me this led me to the conclusion Steve is not there to stay.
He's also pretty smart. He probably realises he cant change the timeline. After all, Peggy's niece helped out significantly in civil war.
I think he went to visit her. He is human after all, and had been grieving and seeking closure in his own way. By the time he got ouf of the ice, Peggy was already suffering dementia. So he never truely got to say goodbye. It would mean a bit of closure for him.
It would of course still be heartbreaking for Peggy. But her grief in agent carter could still happen, depending on when steve went actually back in time.
And it leaves us with the mystery of who Steven married. And he's not telling, let us as viewers make up stories ourselves.
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Ours doesn't require the justification, but we have these headaches instead:
Most of the company requires a password change every 60 days.
One part of the company requires it every 45 days instead.
Once you change it you have to wait a minimum of 10 days before you're allowed to change it again, but the error you get doesn't indicate that's the problem (but that error message is a Microsoft issue).
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Thanks! We are already have Pediasure and yogurt, though (by doctor). I’m mostly asking if either could somehow be made into a pie of some sort - I don’t know what sort. It probably isn’t clear because I’m rambly and the accursed daystar has only broken the horizon a mere three hours ago instead of six hours ago, when decent people wake up. And if your post tells me how to make pie: that just shows how little I understand kitchen.
No I misunderstood your post and I thought there was a strawberry pie flavor of Pediasure, and I thought you were asking how to make homemade Pediasure/drinkable yogurt. I am sorry for being a giant goof.
Here is a recipe for Strawberry Yogurt Pie.
It basically involves blending yogurt with strawberries and putting them into a pre-prepared crumb pie crust, which is doable for a low-cooking skill individual.
To adapt drinkable yogurt or pediasure, I would try thickening it by mixing it thoroughly with whole fat Greek Yogurt. You could also try blending it with a bit of cream cheese. Then freeze, per the instructions in the recipe.
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On a similar topic, I'm always bemused when my bank/ISP/cell phone company/etc. sends me an "urgent privacy notice".
Because in the U.S., with virtually no privacy laws whatsoever, it pretty much boils down to, "Oh, by the way, if you use our service we're going to sell your data to anyone who wants it, and there's nothing you can do about it."
They couch it in legalese and try to be nice about it, but in general my *entire* recourse is to either stop doing business with the company or opt out of all the emails.
So I get frustrated when they get *SO* uppity about requiring me to read a legal document that says "All your data are belong to us".
I knew that, thanks.
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So, Global Megacorporation, ignoring years of research that contraindicates such behavior, requires us to change all of our passwords every 90 days. (Frequent password changes lead to using easy-to-remember (thus easy-to-crack) passwords, writing down passwords, re-use of passwords between accounts, and other less-than-ideal behavior.)
Even worse, on the password reset page, we are required to provide a justification as to why we're changing passwords.
So yep.
IT: It's been 90 days! You MUST change your password!
NobodysHome: OK. Here's the new one.
IT: Why are you changing your password? You're not allowed to change it without a justification!
NH: *SIGH*
Ha, that's hilarious, and terrible.
My workplace does 90 days too, and you can't use one you've used in the past 6 months or so. My password just has one numerical element that counts up and by the time I reach 9, 0 is available again. :P
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Hooray for bathtub swan!
Re that ending:
Woran, I like your interpretation, but I believe the order of shots is intended to suggest if not actually indicate that he married Peggy. Open-door or no (which others have simply interpreted that they did that as soon as he showed up). Moreover interviews with the writers and directors confirm that's what happened happened (although they apparently disagree on whether he's created a stable time loop in Earth 19999 (i.e., he was Peggy's husband all along) or spawned an alternative timeline by going back. Markus and McFeely have gone so far as to insist Peggy's children are Steve's (apparently wanting to crush the idea that Peggy might have married Daniel first and had his kids, and then married Steve later after something happened to Daniel).
Irontruth in the Endgame thread made a good point that when he said, "I'm not telling," they should have left it at that and shown no scene. Let people interpret it as they liked. The people who wanted their "Steggy" ending could decide they had it, and those who wanted a different story for Cap could imagine their own ending. The dance scene ruins that however.
And the other issue is--obviously he didn't immediately return. He comes back aged. Regardless of who he married, he still basically decided to spend the next 70 years of life away from the people who have bent over backwards to support and fight alongside him for the last dozen years, all for the hopes of seeing someone he knew a couple months and kissed once--i.e., all the problems that Scintillae brought up. Some people who liked the ending have said, Cap "deserved to be selfish" at the end. But leaving people who WENT TO PRISON FOR HIM and risked their lives on his behalf and for his cause time and again and whom he worked with and was friends with for over a decade to just decide to see a pretty girl you knew a dozen years ago isn't "selfish"; it's sociopathic. In other words, Cap in the end shows himself to be someone who uses people and then discards them when they cease being useful to him. He also only views people in how they can be valuable to him rather than respecting their own value (i.e., assuming Peggy only exists for his happiness, not her own). And I don't think that's who Cap is supposed to be.
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Aw, I didnt know it was confirmed by the writers. I didnt see any interviews.
Sucks :(
I'm going to stick to my version and ignore the writers. He went for his dance to get his closure (still abit of a dick move, but does make him feel human), and then went and had a normal human life.
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NobodysHome wrote:So, Global Megacorporation, ignoring years of research that contraindicates such behavior, requires us to change all of our passwords every 90 days. (Frequent password changes lead to using easy-to-remember (thus easy-to-crack) passwords, writing down passwords, re-use of passwords between accounts, and other less-than-ideal behavior.)
Even worse, on the password reset page, we are required to provide a justification as to why we're changing passwords.
So yep.
IT: It's been 90 days! You MUST change your password!
NobodysHome: OK. Here's the new one.
IT: Why are you changing your password? You're not allowed to change it without a justification!
NH: *SIGH*Ha, that's hilarious, and terrible.
My workplace does 90 days too, and you can't use one you've used in the past 6 months or so. My password just has one numerical element that counts up and by the time I reach 9, 0 is available again. :P
I do this too.
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LordSynos wrote:I do this too.NobodysHome wrote:So, Global Megacorporation, ignoring years of research that contraindicates such behavior, requires us to change all of our passwords every 90 days. (Frequent password changes lead to using easy-to-remember (thus easy-to-crack) passwords, writing down passwords, re-use of passwords between accounts, and other less-than-ideal behavior.)
Even worse, on the password reset page, we are required to provide a justification as to why we're changing passwords.
So yep.
IT: It's been 90 days! You MUST change your password!
NobodysHome: OK. Here's the new one.
IT: Why are you changing your password? You're not allowed to change it without a justification!
NH: *SIGH*Ha, that's hilarious, and terrible.
My workplace does 90 days too, and you can't use one you've used in the past 6 months or so. My password just has one numerical element that counts up and by the time I reach 9, 0 is available again. :P
Yep. Most people do some variation of this when they are required to change their passwords too often, which is why frequent password changes are contraindicated.
"Oooh! Our passwords were all compromised!"
"That's OK. Everyone has to change them every 60 days anyway."
"What? The miscreants got in anyway? How is that possible?"
"Because every user changed their password by incrementing a single numerical digit by 1."
"D'oh!"
One of my favorite Shiro stories: His company got acquired by Global Megacorporation, so we were working for the same company for a few months. His entire team quickly realized that they could just cycle through a few passwords and then re-use their old ones. So they'd get a required password change notification, change their password half a dozen times all at once, then go back to the one they'd been using before.
Got Global Megacorporation's IT department to implement a, "You cannot change your password MORE than once per 30 days" policy.
You know, if an entire group of VERY senior software engineers is circumventing your security policies, shouldn't you at least question those policies?
*SIGH*
(I just get tired of being barely-informed on IT security, yet still being better-informed than the decision-makers for most IT departments. Most of whom have no background in IT at all, unfortunately.)
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You know, if an entire group of VERY senior software engineers is circumventing your security policies, shouldn't you at least question those policies?
*SIGH*
(I just get tired of being barely-informed on IT security, yet still being better-informed than the decision-makers for most IT departments. Most of whom have no background in IT at all, unfortunately.)
So.
Who's fault is this? I just want someone to blame, dammit!
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NobodysHome wrote:You know, if an entire group of VERY senior software engineers is circumventing your security policies, shouldn't you at least question those policies?
*SIGH*
(I just get tired of being barely-informed on IT security, yet still being better-informed than the decision-makers for most IT departments. Most of whom have no background in IT at all, unfortunately.)
So.
Who's fault is this? I just want someone to blame, dammit!
Tough. Blame yourself or God.
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Tacticslion wrote:Thanks! We are already have Pediasure and yogurt, though (by doctor). I’m mostly asking if either could somehow be made into a pie of some sort - I don’t know what sort. It probably isn’t clear because I’m rambly and the accursed daystar has only broken the horizon a mere three hours ago instead of six hours ago, when decent people wake up. And if your post tells me how to make pie: that just shows how little I understand kitchen.No I misunderstood your post and I thought there was a strawberry pie flavor of Pediasure, and I thought you were asking how to make homemade Pediasure/drinkable yogurt. I am sorry for being a giant goof.
Here is a recipe for Strawberry Yogurt Pie.
It basically involves blending yogurt with strawberries and putting them into a pre-prepared crumb pie crust, which is doable for a low-cooking skill individual.
To adapt drinkable yogurt or pediasure, I would try thickening it by mixing it thoroughly with whole fat Greek Yogurt. You could also try blending it with a bit of cream cheese. Then freeze, per the instructions in the recipe.
Thank you! That's great!
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So, Global Megacorporation, ignoring years of research that contraindicates such behavior, requires us to change all of our passwords every 90 days. (Frequent password changes lead to using easy-to-remember (thus easy-to-crack) passwords, writing down passwords, re-use of passwords between accounts, and other less-than-ideal behavior.)
Even worse, on the password reset page, we are required to provide a justification as to why we're changing passwords.
So yep.
IT: It's been 90 days! You MUST change your password!
NobodysHome: OK. Here's the new one.
IT: Why are you changing your password? You're not allowed to change it without a justification!
NH: *SIGH*
I worked at State Farm and they did that BS.
My password was thisruleisstupid1 and then thisruleisstupid2 and then thisruleisstupid3...
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Freehold DM wrote:Tough. Blame yourselfNobodysHome wrote:You know, if an entire group of VERY senior software engineers is circumventing your security policies, shouldn't you at least question those policies?
*SIGH*
(I just get tired of being barely-informed on IT security, yet still being better-informed than the decision-makers for most IT departments. Most of whom have no background in IT at all, unfortunately.)
So.
Who's fault is this? I just want someone to blame, dammit!
or God.
War of the Lions retranslated that for the better.
"Tis your birth and faith that wronged you, not I."
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NobodysHome wrote:You know, if an entire group of VERY senior software engineers is circumventing your security policies, shouldn't you at least question those policies?
*SIGH*
(I just get tired of being barely-informed on IT security, yet still being better-informed than the decision-makers for most IT departments. Most of whom have no background in IT at all, unfortunately.)
So.
Who's fault is this? I just want someone to blame, dammit!
The Peter Principle can be blamed.
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Tacticslion wrote:Freehold DM wrote:Tough. Blame yourselfNobodysHome wrote:You know, if an entire group of VERY senior software engineers is circumventing your security policies, shouldn't you at least question those policies?
*SIGH*
(I just get tired of being barely-informed on IT security, yet still being better-informed than the decision-makers for most IT departments. Most of whom have no background in IT at all, unfortunately.)
So.
Who's fault is this? I just want someone to blame, dammit!
or God.War of the Lions retranslated that for the better.
"Tis your birth and faith that wronged you, not I."
Meh. I find War of the Lions to be pretty okay. It tended to stutter on my iPad (and the small screen of the PSP was a no-go for me), and I actually liked much plainer speech and in-game visuals of the original, because both felt more genuine.
I don't dislike WotL - in fact I'm grateful it exists, and lets me play my favorite game! - but I definitely consider it a nifty side-grade a few fixed translation issues, notwithstanding; I'm talking about you, "Rich" spell! with a number of elements I kind of wish were optional features, rather than "this way only" required elements.
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Freehold DM wrote:The Peter Principle can be blamed.NobodysHome wrote:You know, if an entire group of VERY senior software engineers is circumventing your security policies, shouldn't you at least question those policies?
*SIGH*
(I just get tired of being barely-informed on IT security, yet still being better-informed than the decision-makers for most IT departments. Most of whom have no background in IT at all, unfortunately.)
So.
Who's fault is this? I just want someone to blame, dammit!
I'm a helper! :D
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Hooray for bathtub swan!
Re that ending:
** spoiler omitted **...
Very, very frakking interesting actually. Porentially painfully so. Hnn. You just gave me genuine chills.
This could be a very bad case of comics fans vs. show fans vs movie fans, which is something that I warned people about years ago and was promptly told I was being a Bitter Grognard About And Should Just Shut Up And Let People Like What They Like. But then we end up with situations like this. I personally lean towards (VERY SURPRISINGLY STABLE) time loop, but I also think that those kids should be the other guys, not Steve's, if only to avoid Marty McFly issues in the second Cap movie.
I dont think Steve was being selfish, or sociopathic, because it was 5 seconds for the people on the other side of the time loop...but you are right in that it is a lot to ask of your party in the name of a girl that you kissed once. Maybe I am a romantic or am just wrong, but I would roll that die too, or, if it was you in that situation, kinda just shrug when you showed up older than me and (very dryly) ask you if you Did The Thing. I don't know. Aargh. You make a very dispassionate point, and I disagree with you but love how you phrased it.
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Freehold DM wrote:Tough. Blame yourselfNobodysHome wrote:You know, if an entire group of VERY senior software engineers is circumventing your security policies, shouldn't you at least question those policies?
*SIGH*
(I just get tired of being barely-informed on IT security, yet still being better-informed than the decision-makers for most IT departments. Most of whom have no background in IT at all, unfortunately.)
So.
Who's fault is this? I just want someone to blame, dammit!
or God.
That's it. I am marrying you. Tacticslioness is just gonna have to share.
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Tacticslion wrote:Freehold DM wrote:Tough. Blame yourselfNobodysHome wrote:You know, if an entire group of VERY senior software engineers is circumventing your security policies, shouldn't you at least question those policies?
*SIGH*
(I just get tired of being barely-informed on IT security, yet still being better-informed than the decision-makers for most IT departments. Most of whom have no background in IT at all, unfortunately.)
So.
Who's fault is this? I just want someone to blame, dammit!
or God.War of the Lions retranslated that for the better.
"Tis your birth and faith that wronged you, not I."
a drunken lie. This is one of the best cases of engrish I have ever seen, only The House Of The Dead 2 comes close. I want my original translation, dammit.
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This is the kind of statistics manipulation that makes my blood boil.
"San Ramon is the safest city in California to raise a child."
Except...
...they excluded all cities nationwide with a population of under 75,000...
...and you have to go to the original article, scroll all the way to the bottom, and read their methodology to get that information.
Er, so shouldn't your article be, "San Ramon is the safest large city in California to raise a child?"
I have political biases in play here, so I'll just keep my mouth shut after that.
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On a tangent from the Ending Discussion: I think showrunners/writers/directors need to stop explaining What They Meant or adding to the story in interviews. I think a lot more of them need to take a note from anime director superstar Kunihiko Ikuhara, who directed some beautiful if often complex and can-be-interpreted-many-ways stuff like "Revolutionary Girl Utena" (and some downright crack-addled fever dreams like "Utena: the Movie") who just responded to questions about what he intended in a scene with, "What do you think?" He knew it was cool to see how different people saw the same scene. He didn't want to crush that with Word of God nonsense. (And sure sometimes he really didn't mean ANYTHING by a scene or symbol, but then it was all the more fun to see how people read into it.)
While it can be interesting sometimes to hear creators discuss their intentions and what they think outcomes of something should have been, too often they actually end up crushing fandom imagination or adding-to-canon-in a way that just makes it look like they don't know how to make their work speak for itself (your work should not need footnotes to comprehend). And sometimes they end up contradicting themselves, or one another (script writers vs directors on Endgame), or just putting their foot in their mouth in an amazingly cringeworthy way (see also: J.K. Rowling). I know especially in the EVERYTHING MUST BE DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW pressure that our Internet driven world creates one anxiously wants to immediately begin explaining oneself, but people need to frickin' stop.
And it's a big mistake to think you're the only one who can turn into a car! I'm a car now too!
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On a tangent from the Ending Discussion: I think showrunners/writers/directors need to stop explaining What They Meant or adding to the story in interviews. I think a lot more of them need to take a note from anime director superstar Kunihiko Ikuhara, who directed some beautiful if often complex and can-be-interpreted-many-ways stuff like "Revolutionary Girl Utena" (and some downright crack-addled fever dreams like "Utena: the Movie") who just responded to questions about what he intended in a scene with, "What do you think?" He knew it was cool to see how different people saw the same scene. He didn't want to crush that worth Word of God nonsense. (And sure sometimes he really didn't mean ANYTHING by a scene or symbol, but then it was all the more fun to see how people read into it.)
While it can be interesting sometimes to hear creators discuss their intentions and what they think outcomes of something should have been, too often they actually end up crushing fandom imagination or adding-to-canon-in a way that just makes it look like they don't know how to make their work speak for itself (your work should not need footnotes to comprehend). And sometimes they end up contradicting themselves, or one another (script writers vs directors on Endgame), or just putting their foot in their mouth in an amazingly cringeworthy way (see also: J.K. Rowling). I know especially in the EVERYTHING MUST BE DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW pressure that our Internet driven world creates one anxiously wants to immediately begin explaining oneself, but people need to frickin' stop.
And it's a big mistake to think you're the only one who can turn into a car! I'm a car now too!
The best part about it...unless there's a canonical continuation of the story that provides evidence, Death of the Author makes the creator's statement largely meaningless in the field of critical analysis. So they're essentially shouting into the void about fanfics when they try to clarify things that aren't going to have follow-up.
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Yes indeed. Oh, I like it when people talk crit!!
But not that it affects your argument either way, I thought the latest Fantastic Beasts movie (Crimes of Grindelwald) made it pretty damn clear Dumbledore WAS gay, and had been in a relationship with Grindelwald, which is part of why they made the blood pact. Seemed obvious to me, and it wasn't a plot point I was looking for. That said, I am not rewatching the film to check the scenes that made me think that, but I remember walking away from the film distinctly thinking, "Well, that was a mess, but at least Dumbledore's gayness is canon now." I fully own maybe I read something into something or imagined a scene that wasn't there, but I had thought that happened.
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Yes indeed. Oh, I like it when people talk crit!!
** spoiler omitted **
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On a tangent from the Ending Discussion: I think showrunners/writers/directors need to stop explaining What They Meant or adding to the story in interviews. I think a lot more of them need to take a note from anime director superstar Kunihiko Ikuhara, who directed some beautiful if often complex and can-be-interpreted-many-ways stuff like "Revolutionary Girl Utena" (and some downright crack-addled fever dreams like "Utena: the Movie") who just responded to questions about what he intended in a scene with, "What do you think?" He knew it was cool to see how different people saw the same scene. He didn't want to crush that with Word of God nonsense. (And sure sometimes he really didn't mean ANYTHING by a scene or symbol, but then it was all the more fun to see how people read into it.)
While it can be interesting sometimes to hear creators discuss their intentions and what they think outcomes of something should have been, too often they actually end up crushing fandom imagination or adding-to-canon-in a way that just makes it look like they don't know how to make their work speak for itself (your work should not need footnotes to comprehend). And sometimes they end up contradicting themselves, or one another (script writers vs directors on Endgame), or just putting their foot in their mouth in an amazingly cringeworthy way (see also: J.K. Rowling). I know especially in the EVERYTHING MUST BE DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW pressure that our Internet driven world creates one anxiously wants to immediately begin explaining oneself, but people need to frickin' stop.
And it's a big mistake to think you're the only one who can turn into a car! I'm a car now too!
Impus Major's English teachers have managed to make him despise all literary analysis forevermore with their constant, "So, what was the author thinking when he made the truck blue in this scene?" and then having "wrong" and "right" answers.
And yes, I was also a "victim". My hatred of English started in my first year of college, when I intentionally took the position opposite of what the instructor was saying in class because I figured it would be more interesting, argued it well, then got a C. And then the final writing assignment was free form, I got an A, and she wrote, "I can't believe how much your writing has improved since the beginning of the year!"
No, it didn't improve, I just stopped arguing with you about how to interpret a dead author's meaning.
And Freehold is absolutely, 100% correct that a lot of math teachers fall into the same exact trap. "You MUST follow MY method exactly to get to the right answer or you get 0%."
It took me a long time to grade my tests, but it was because I was actually reading my students' answers to see whether they actually had some concept as to how to solve the problem, not following my personal pet algorithm.
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I don't really have problems with authors confirming or asserting stuff. Even stuff I disagree with. If it's clearly contrary to something that's in the text, or it's something I don't want (or contrary to something I do), I feel disappointed, of course, but at the same time, it gives me something to grapple with. And in the end, it's up to me to take or leave the statements as canonical or otherwise.
A lot of people are faster to run to Death of the Author than I am - even if I don't like a particular statement or idea, I still find the author's intent valuable to understand how they crafted the story that I loved in the first place.
Consider Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. CC may be the canonical sequel (and I accept it as such), but it's also a mess, compared with its sire. The themes clash, the presentation is... well, it's sometimes quite great, but othertimes just baaaaaaaad, and the pacing and plot twists are rough. And yet, for all of that, I do find that it gives interesting context to CT. I might not always like the context (in fact, many times it's just frustrating as it seems sometimes well-thought out, and othertimes only half-so), but it certainly is interesting.
... and, of course, the other problem with CC is the daggum ambiguous ending, which... ugh. It's unsatisfying from a narrative perspective because you have no idea what's going on, and it's all, "Well, just interpret it! What do you think?" and I go, "What I think is that this isn't an ending at all, it's just a hastily slapped together vagaries of images in an attempt to trick people into thinking there's an ending."
... what was I saying? Oh, right. See, that's the thing - I find it to be quite unsatisfying at times to lack an ending. Some narratives have the solidity to do that.
FFT, for one, has an ambiguous ending, leaving you unsure, exactly, of different character's fates (though it's solid enough to leave you feeling like you know).
Vagrant Story is similarly infuriatingly vague... but it still feels relatively appropriate, because what answers you do get are useful for generating your own ideas of the future.
And yet other stories simply don't have the viability to be left with an ambiguous ending, or even if they do, it feels lazy - CC being the perfect example of this, being it really could have used some form of narrative cohesion to help keep it together.
"Bad" endings aren't really all that necessarily bad, either.
I was gonna write more, here, but suffice it to say that I respect and encourage people to write their own things, but I think that authors absolutely should be allowed to clarify their intent and how they were trying to get the story to flow - but if that doesn't work within the narrative, is a clear falsehood, or fails for other reasons, that should be taken in stride and then DotA should be applied. Similarly, DotA should be applied when it's convenient for Fan Work (which includes head canon), and that's fine, too. The only hesitation I have with Fanon is making sure it's clearly de-marked as such.
Arguing over intent and grading on intent, though... nope.
Not a thing that should be done.
If you teach what an author said was his intent and grade on that? Fair. But you can't depend on whether or not people agree with you.
EDIT: for being ninja'd! ALSO for EDITING
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The example I've got to go to for this is the one I was introduced to the concept over: Fahrenheit 451.
Bradbury's opinion as the author: the book is about how bad television is. Where did you get this censorship thing from?
Death of the Author means that my interpretation regarding censorship, because I can provide ample evidence for my reading, is not inherently wrong, no matter what the author claims. He cannot take away the validity of my interpretation. As far as I'm concerned, that's what DotA means: I can prove my reading, even if it's not the one you intended to write.
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I've been teaching English for six years now, and I legitimately cannot get my head around grading based on whether I agree with someone. Maybe I'm just not personally invested enough in what we're writing about, or maybe it's just that I'm used to being the weirdo in the room and no one agreeing with me, but literally all I care about:
Can I read this, or did the commas come here to die?
Is it coherent with itself, or did you just put random words together to look like a paper? Did you put in an entire page of useless fluff to look smarter?
Did you support your claims, or is this just a take my word for it situation?
Just...get to the point and stop murdering the language, and we cool.
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This is the kind of statistics manipulation that makes my blood boil.
"San Ramon is the safest city in California to raise a child."
Except...
...they excluded all cities nationwide with a population of under 75,000...
...and you have to go to the original article, scroll all the way to the bottom, and read their methodology to get that information.Er, so shouldn't your article be, "San Ramon is the safest large city in California to raise a child?"
I have political biases in play here, so I'll just keep my mouth shut after that.
Well, if we are doing nitpicking, then let me put my two cents grosh: The word city itself in English language generally means a large settlement, with modern threshold usually being considered at around 100.000 citizens or more (or any settlement with its own cathedral in UK). If it is less than 100k, it's more likely to be considered a town, though the USA's legal definition of what is and what is not a city might be different and might vary by state...
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Impus Major's English teachers have managed to make him despise all literary analysis forevermore with their constant, "So, what was the author thinking when he made the truck blue in this scene?" and then having "wrong" and "right" answers.
And yes, I was also a "victim". My hatred of English started in my first year of...
Sounds like a standard Literature lessons here in Poland too. Which often gets to the point where the official interpretations get to be a pure a**-pull, or even contradicting Author's statements to the contrary.
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This is the kind of statistics manipulation that makes my blood boil.
"San Ramon is the safest city in California to raise a child."
Except...
...they excluded all cities nationwide with a population of under 75,000...
...and you have to go to the original article, scroll all the way to the bottom, and read their methodology to get that information.Er, so shouldn't your article be, "San Ramon is the safest large city in California to raise a child?"
I have political biases in play here, so I'll just keep my mouth shut after that.
I lived in San Ramon for two years (worked there for three years).
Sure, it's affluent and low-crime (except for white-collar crime and intellectual property theft), but it's a horrible place to live.
It's so very, very white and bland, it's like living in a cave made of Wonder Bread. It's like living on Camazotz in "A Wrinkle in Time".
Imagine that "Hell" is sitting in a room with an unadjustable sound system, and the sound that is being delivered is all your favorite blues, jazz, soul, and funk, turned into computerized "hold music" with all the vocals and instrumentation removed and only the hollow shell of the melody remaining, and you begin to approach a sense of the soul-sucking horror that is life in San Ramon.
Also, remember that time when I got hit bicycle commuting when a guy ran a stop sign on a blind right hand turn, hit me, and I went over the hood of his car, and the f**khead ran for it and didn't stop?
Yep. That was when I lived and worked in San Ramon.
I say we take off and nuke it from orbit; it's the only way to be sure.
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On a tangent from the Ending Discussion: I think showrunners/writers/directors need to stop explaining What They Meant or adding to the story in interviews. I think a lot more of them need to take a note from anime director superstar Kunihiko Ikuhara, who directed some beautiful if often complex and can-be-interpreted-many-ways stuff like "Revolutionary Girl Utena" (and some downright crack-addled fever dreams like "Utena: the Movie")
There was an Utena movie? What? I dont know what you are talking about.
And it's a big mistake to think you're the only one who can turn into a car! I'm a car now too!
Transforming cars? What? What in the world are ta-
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My study group in high school had fun making our presentation on Gatsby, does that count?
Nobody's Home, your statement of hating English makes my heart hurt, seeing as I sit here with a Master's in English and all. Buut I do know those teachers. They are awful. I have had them. Fortunately I had some really incredible ones too, and were inspired by them.I hope Impus has some better teachers down the road. Scintillae, you sound like a great English teacher. I hope there are students who remember you fondly the way I remember the good ones. My parents were both teachers. I also have witnessed the pain of having to read That Paper by That Kid who just does not get it.
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DeathQuaker wrote:On a tangent from the Ending Discussion: I think showrunners/writers/directors need to stop explaining What They Meant or adding to the story in interviews. I think a lot more of them need to take a note from anime director superstar Kunihiko Ikuhara, who directed some beautiful if often complex and can-be-interpreted-many-ways stuff like "Revolutionary Girl Utena" (and some downright crack-addled fever dreams like "Utena: the Movie") who just responded to questions about what he intended in a scene with, "What do you think?" He knew it was cool to see how different people saw the same scene. He didn't want to crush that with Word of God nonsense. (And sure sometimes he really didn't mean ANYTHING by a scene or symbol, but then it was all the more fun to see how people read into it.)
While it can be interesting sometimes to hear creators discuss their intentions and what they think outcomes of something should have been, too often they actually end up crushing fandom imagination or adding-to-canon-in a way that just makes it look like they don't know how to make their work speak for itself (your work should not need footnotes to comprehend). And sometimes they end up contradicting themselves, or one another (script writers vs directors on Endgame), or just putting their foot in their mouth in an amazingly cringeworthy way (see also: J.K. Rowling). I know especially in the EVERYTHING MUST BE DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW pressure that our Internet driven world creates one anxiously wants to immediately begin explaining oneself, but people need to frickin' stop.
And it's a big mistake to think you're the only one who can turn into a car! I'm a car now too!
Impus Major's English teachers have managed to make him despise all literary analysis forevermore with their constant, "So, what was the author thinking when he made the truck blue in this scene?" and then having "wrong" and "right" answers.
And yes, I was also a "victim". My hatred of English started in my first year of...
hate english? That's impossible. You're using english right now! You use it every day! YOU HAVE TO LOVE IT!
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This is the kind of statistics manipulation that makes my blood boil.
"San Ramon is the safest city in California to raise a child."
Except...
...they excluded all cities nationwide with a population of under 75,000...
...and you have to go to the original article, scroll all the way to the bottom, and read their methodology to get that information.Er, so shouldn't your article be, "San Ramon is the safest large city in California to raise a child?"
I have political biases in play here, so I'll just keep my mouth shut after that.
math is evil.
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Well, if we are doing nitpicking, then let me put my twocentsgrosh: The word city itself in English language generally means a large settlement, with modern threshold usually being considered at around 100.000 citizens or more (or any settlement with its own cathedral in UK). If it is less than 100k, it's more likely to be considered a town, though the USA's legal definition of what is and what is not a city might be different and might vary by state...
What's hilarious is that I was *just* complaining about this on our trip -- possibly even to LordSynos, but more likely some poor random Brit on a train: In the U.K., there are concrete definitions of cities, towns, villages and the like. All based on the size of their churches, but still, at least a consistent definition.
I liked finding the very first definition for California: "In California, the words 'city' and 'town' are used interchangeably," and basically all you need is a charter and you're a city.
You can even go here and see that we have FOUR "cities" with populations of under 10.
I think I'm gonna make my house a city! :-P
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NobodysHome wrote:This is the kind of statistics manipulation that makes my blood boil.
"San Ramon is the safest city in California to raise a child."
Except...
...they excluded all cities nationwide with a population of under 75,000...
...and you have to go to the original article, scroll all the way to the bottom, and read their methodology to get that information.Er, so shouldn't your article be, "San Ramon is the safest large city in California to raise a child?"
I have political biases in play here, so I'll just keep my mouth shut after that.
I lived in San Ramon for two years (worked there for three years).
Sure, it's affluent and low-crime (except for white-collar crime and intellectual property theft), but it's a horrible place to live.
It's so very, very white and bland, it's like living in a cave made of Wonder Bread. It's like living on Camazotz in "A Wrinkle in Time".
Imagine that "Hell" is sitting in a room with an unadjustable sound system, and the sound that is being delivered is all your favorite blues, jazz, soul, and funk, turned into computerized "hold music" with all the vocals and instrumentation removed and only the hollow shell of the melody remaining, and you begin to approach a sense of the soul-sucking horror that is life in San Ramon.Also, remember that time when I got hit bicycle commuting when a guy ran a stop sign on a blind right hand turn, hit me, and I went over the hood of his car, and the f**khead ran for it and didn't stop?
Yep. That was when I lived and worked in San Ramon.I say we take off and nuke it from orbit; it's the only way to be sure.
that town must burn.
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Drejk wrote:Well, if we are doing nitpicking, then let me put my twocentsgrosh: The word city itself in English language generally means a large settlement, with modern threshold usually being considered at around 100.000 citizens or more (or any settlement with its own cathedral in UK). If it is less than 100k, it's more likely to be considered a town, though the USA's legal definition of what is and what is not a city might be different and might vary by state...What's hilarious is that I was *just* complaining about this on our trip -- possibly even to LordSynos, but more likely some poor random Brit on a train: In the U.K., there are concrete definitions of cities, towns, villages and the like. All based on the size of their churches, but still, at least a consistent definition.
I liked finding the very first definition for California: "In California, the words 'city' and 'town' are used interchangeably," and basically all you need is a charter and you're a city.
You can even go here and see that we have FOUR "cities" with populations of under 10.
I think I'm gonna make my house a city! :-P
that...uh..place, where people live must burn?
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My study group in high school had fun making our presentation on Gatsby, does that count?
Nobody's Home, your statement of hating English makes my heart hurt, seeing as I sit here with a Master's in English and all. Buut I do know those teachers. They are awful. I have had them. Fortunately I had some really incredible ones too, and were inspired by them.I hope Impus has some better teachers down the road. Scintillae, you sound like a great English teacher. I hope there are students who remember you fondly the way I remember the good ones. My parents were both teachers. I also have witnessed the pain of having to read That Paper by That Kid who just does not get it.
Oh, I'm fairly certain I've nuked any goodwill I've accrued through the endless barrage of puns. It's like the Normandy of wordplay in there.