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So I suppose the Orc swimsuit edition is off, then? :-P
Sexy orcs are one thing, but there is no such thing as a sexy troll - no matter what WoW tries to teach us.
So I suppose the Orc swimsuit edition is off, then? :-PSexy orcs are one thing, but there is no such thing as a sexy troll - no matter what WoW tries to teach us.
That's true. Just ask Therkla.
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Any love for the girl on the cover of Dragon # 126? I'd say that she is good looking, but not sexualized and not wearing skimpy clothing.
I don't generally go for necrophilia.
Any love for the girl on the cover of Dragon # 126? I'd say that she is good looking, but not sexualized and not wearing skimpy clothing.
I don't generally go for necrophilia.
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Nah, Giant Eagles showed up the next round and pulled her out of there.
Disagree. She was killed, and later came back as the mummy girl from the cover of Dragon #336...who makes necrophilia seem hot.Nah, Giant Eagles showed up the next round and pulled her out of there.
Any love for the girl on the cover of Dragon # 126? I'd say that she is good looking, but not sexualized and not wearing skimpy clothing.
I don't generally go for necrophilia.
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Except that odds are it's cold.
Disagree. She was killed, and later came back as the mummy girl from the cover of Dragon #336...who makes necrophilia seem hot.Nah, Giant Eagles showed up the next round and pulled her out of there.
Any love for the girl on the cover of Dragon # 126? I'd say that she is good looking, but not sexualized and not wearing skimpy clothing.
I don't generally go for necrophilia.
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Except that odds are it's cold.
Any love for the girl on the cover of Dragon # 126? I'd say that she is good looking, but not sexualized and not wearing skimpy clothing.
Thanks, haven't thought about that cover in a long time. Kind of strange how it's still shaping how I make my archers after all these years… : /
Any love for the girl on the cover of Dragon # 126? I'd say that she is good looking, but not sexualized and not wearing skimpy clothing.
It's a classic image from what I consider to be the Golden Age of RPG art.
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Except that odds are it's cold.Disagree. She was killed, and later came back as the mummy girl from the cover of Dragon #336...who makes necrophilia seem hot.Nah, Giant Eagles showed up the next round and pulled her out of there.
Any love for the girl on the cover of Dragon # 126? I'd say that she is good looking, but not sexualized and not wearing skimpy clothing.
I don't generally go for necrophilia.
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It is also making mummy rot the worst kind of STD.
Any love for the girl on the cover of Dragon # 126? I'd say that she is good looking, but not sexualized and not wearing skimpy clothing.It's a classic image from what I consider to be the Golden Age of RPG art.
Ha, we agree on this particular image, at least!
Oh, and I'm pretty sure she's got a magic arrow on the string. Look at the glow. Ah, and I think the title is 'save the best one for last', or something like that. Here's hoping that arrow is enchanted versus undead!
Any love for the girl on the cover of Dragon # 126? I'd say that she is good looking, but not sexualized and not wearing skimpy clothing.Thanks, haven't thought about that cover in a long time. Kind of strange how it's still shaping how I make my archers after all these years… : /
Yeah, I like it a lot. I looked it up again recently, when my younger brother called me asking about it. He's thinking about getting a tat based on it.
The artist, Daniel Horne, also did a giant (frost giant? Kostichie?) whupping on some Roman soldiers in the snow. This was also a Dragon cover, and made it into the art plates for the MC. You guys know the one I mean?
I'm pretyty sure he also did the one I that call 'Sir Beaker the Bronze Paladin facing a yeti (or maybe a taer).'
Oh, and in case anyone was wondering:
I think that Aleena is way hotter than Morgan Ironwulf.:)
I always thought the issue was a) It wasn't expected
You guys need to mentally prepare for an hour before you can be exposed to nipple exposure? Interesting...
:P
To each their own, I suppose. I'll take nipple. =)
One nipples for me, too, please!
I take the bait. If I look at the pics of Seoni or that Cultist, these girls sure have a D cup at least, and their clothes show enough of it (the side boob) to see that there is nothing in the pic to support them (no bra or whatever). Now, D (or bigger) cups that just stand firm on their own without any visible support are most probably "enhanced", or they just defy gravity for whatever reason (yeah, I know Seoni is a sorceress - Seoni´s Invisible Bra or what?). It has more to do with cup size than side boob, really. Perhaps surprising, D or bigger is not natural for most women...
1st: Whether it's normal for most women doesn't matter. Heroes are exceptional in Pathfinder. Limiting that to things like courage and excluding bust size is discriminating.
2nd: Malhavoc himself said that the spellcaster who doesn't use his magic to appear imposing is an imbecile unworthy of his talents. Whether it's a spell to let your hair, beard and robes flap in a non-existent wind or an unseen underwire doesn't matter. Or even magical enhancements.
The only exception I'd accept is those who want to hide or downplay their abilities. Everyone else: Use the s%#! out of magic for vanity and arrogance!
One nipples for me, too, please!
To each their own, I suppose. I'll take nipple. =)
I never had an issue with the nipples in the MM. I'm referring to monsters like the gynosphinx or the harpy. If that kind of thing actually turns somebody on...ummm...yeah, don't tell me about it.
:0Gynosphinxes don't need bikinis. Heck, how would they tie them in place? No hands, right? I suppose a minion could do it, IF the gynosphinx in question has minions. I expect that most go about topless and don't care- why should they?
2nd: Malhavoc himself said that the spellcaster who doesn't use his magic to appear imposing is an imbecile unworthy of his talents. Whether it's a spell to let your hair, beard and robes flap in a non-existent wind or an unseen underwire doesn't matter. Or even magical enhancements.
Who is this 'Malhavoc himself' and why should we be impressed by your name drop?
Why should we assume that all non-imbecilic casters are showboats?
I take the bait. If I look at the pics of Seoni or that Cultist, these girls sure have a D cup at least, and their clothes show enough of it (the side boob) to see that there is nothing in the pic to support them (no bra or whatever). Now, D (or bigger) cups that just stand firm on their own without any visible support are most probably "enhanced", or they just defy gravity for whatever reason (yeah, I know Seoni is a sorceress - Seoni´s Invisible Bra or what?). It has more to do with cup size than side boob, really.
Eh... there's gravity, but there's not always THAT much gravity for young women.
Perhaps surprising, D or bigger is not natural for most women...
I agree that most women aren't naturally D+ -- unless you're saying that most D+ women aren't natural, in which case I would disagree with you.
In any case, still more common around here than sorceresses or assassin women! (Or dudes with 18+ STR, which come up with reasonable regularity in my games.)
Check out Anna Krieder's blog:
http://gomakemeasandwich.blogspot.com/She calls Paizo on their genderfail over artwork, and Erik Mona responds.
In my experience, Paizo as a company have a pretty good attitude to issues of gender, race, and sexuality in their writing. Unfortunately the images in their books don't match up with that attitude.
I really wish Frazetta would rise from the dead of his own violition (and not make me have to go unearth him and pupetteer him) and just tell the feminist art critique crowd to eat their jelly doughnuts elsewhere. There are a ton of things in this world that matter and someone twisting their fingers in knots about the skin exposed in fantasy art--
I know I sound like I never attended college when I state things like this, but I feel like common sense leaves the room when the dialup modem whines. There are leagues of people out there getting offended at some guy drawing a picture of a woman with an athletic figure. And there are a ton of people that get actually vocal about a woman with epic boobage, how dare she actually work at hooters!
Here here! I'll ask them to shut up and go make me a sammich and we won't take away April First.
He was Monte Cook's old D&D character, and the namesake of his company, Malhavoc Press.Who is this 'Malhavoc himself' and why should we be impressed by your name drop?
2nd: Malhavoc himself said that the spellcaster who doesn't use his magic to appear imposing is an imbecile unworthy of his talents. Whether it's a spell to let your hair, beard and robes flap in a non-existent wind or an unseen underwire doesn't matter. Or even magical enhancements.
Cook, eh? I've met him. Just once, and I only talked with him for about four or five minutes, max. He seemed like a really nice guy.
There isn't anything wrong with quoting or paraphrasing a game designer whom you like.
I'm just not sure why I should be swayed by MC's opinion of casters who don't enhance their 'wow factor' with magic. If we were discussing something really crunchy about 3E rules, I'd give the man's ideas extra weight. He rocks hard at design for D20, no doubt about it. This isn't a question of mechanics,though, it's a question of style and taste. On those counts, he's no more of an expert than any of us.
I really wish Frazetta would rise from the dead of his own violition (and not make me have to go unearth him and pupetteer him) and just tell the feminist art critique crowd to eat their jelly doughnuts elsewhere. There are a ton of things in this world that matter and someone twisting their fingers in knots about the skin exposed in fantasy art--
I know I sound like I never attended college when I state things like this, but I feel like common sense leaves the room when the dialup modem whines. There are leagues of people out there getting offended at some guy drawing a picture of a woman with an athletic figure. And there are a ton of people that get actually vocal about a woman with epic boobage, how dare she actually work at hooters!
Here here! I'll ask them to shut up and go make me a sammich and we won't take away April First.
You, sir, are my hero. Your next round is on me.
You, sir, are my hero. Your next round is on me.
I'm not quite sure to whom he's referring. There's a significant difference between criticism of art on aesthetic grounds and feminist outrage.
I haven't seen much of what I'd call feminist outrage in this thread. I've seen posts from a number of men and women who would like to see more diversity in the art and/or who find the 'sexy female armor/costumes' seen in many pics to be kind of goofy.
Which of these people is he telling to 'shut up and go make me a sammich'?
Ha, we agree on this particular image, at least!
We probably agree on far, far more than you realize. You don't care for the scantily clad women and I do. But I also like just about every other piece of fantasy art there is, from dragons, to ogres & trolls, to warriors (male or female) in full-plate armor. If it's good art, I like it. If it's bad, I don't like it, even if it's scantily clad women.
You, sir, are my hero. Your next round is on me.I'm not quite sure to whom he's referring. There's a significant difference between criticism of art on aesthetic grounds and feminist outrage.
I haven't seen much of what I'd call feminist outrage in this thread. I've seen posts from a number of men and women who would like to see more diversity in the art and/or who find the 'sexy female armor/costumes' seen in many pics to be kind of goofy.
Which of these people is he telling to 'shut up and go make me a sammich'?
Just guessing? The person at the "go make me a sandwich" blog that rails inarticulately against this sort of thing on a daily basis.
You, sir, are my hero. Your next round is on me.I'm not quite sure to whom he's referring. There's a significant difference between criticism of art on aesthetic grounds and feminist outrage.
I haven't seen much of what I'd call feminist outrage in this thread. I've seen posts from a number of men and women who would like to see more diversity in the art and/or who find the 'sexy female armor/costumes' seen in many pics to be kind of goofy.
Which of these people is he telling to 'shut up and go make me a sammich'?
Unless you're feeling overly paranoid, I'll assume he's generalizing.
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You, sir, are my hero. Your next round is on me.I'm not quite sure to whom he's referring. There's a significant difference between criticism of art on aesthetic grounds and feminist outrage.
I haven't seen much of what I'd call feminist outrage in this thread. I've seen posts from a number of men and women who would like to see more diversity in the art and/or who find the 'sexy female armor/costumes' seen in many pics to be kind of goofy.
Which of these people is he telling to 'shut up and go make me a sammich'?Unless you're feeling overly paranoid, I'll assume he's generalizing.
;-)
I'm generalizing. Most of you folks on here I have no quarrel with. You're not trying to tell me I'm a bad man for having the Paizo-witch with Amiri at Gencon on my desktop for over seven months. And I have to state, while Amiri is just adorable, I have to say va-va-va-voom! about the gal in the witch costume. I heard she even ran games in that outfit! Now that is hardcore!
Make that two rounds for the gentleman with the huge stein.
You, sir, are my hero. Your next round is on me.I'm not quite sure to whom he's referring. There's a significant difference between criticism of art on aesthetic grounds and feminist outrage.
I haven't seen much of what I'd call feminist outrage in this thread. I've seen posts from a number of men and women who would like to see more diversity in the art and/or who find the 'sexy female armor/costumes' seen in many pics to be kind of goofy.
Which of these people is he telling to 'shut up and go make me a sammich'?Unless you're feeling overly paranoid, I'll assume he's generalizing.
;-)
I'm generalizing. Most of you folks on here I have no quarrel with. You're not trying to tell me I'm a bad man for having the Paizo-witch with Amiri at Gencon on my desktop for over seven months. And I have to state, while Amiri is just adorable, I have to say va-va-va-voom! about the gal in the witch costume. I heard she even ran games in that outfit! Now that is hardcore!
At some point, I would like to know Lora Massey blushed hard when she continues to get compliments on her handiwork from that convention.
And thank you, Urizen!
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To the OP:
I do not find the amount of "cheesecake" in PF art to be excessive. I'm glad it was toned down from previous incarnations of D&D. Please do not intentionally increase the amount of it.
On the other hand, Seoni's... robe? That thing bothers me. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. No, it's worse than that. It makes negative sense. Whomever designed that owes the world some sense for having done so. Seoni looks appropriately hot (high-charisma character, after all), but dang she doesn't look comfortable.
;-)
I'm generalizing. Most of you folks on here I have no quarrel with. You're not trying to tell me I'm a bad man for having the Paizo-witch with Amiri at Gencon on my desktop for over seven months. And I have to state, while Amiri is just adorable, I have to say va-va-va-voom! about the gal in the witch costume. I heard she even ran games in that outfit! Now that is hardcore!
Thanks for clearing that up. I've witnessed some rather nasty behavior on the boards of late (not from you) and I'd like to see this thread stay friendly.
Now, if you were referring to a certain feminist blogger-
she's not here to defend herself, so perhaps we should simply leave her out of the discussion? That's just a suggestion, of course.
-Ewan
Nah, that would require him to be politically correct. I know you're a fan of not being restricted to PC guidelines. So, why should he?
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Nah, that would require him to be politically correct. I know you're a fan of not being restricted to PC guidelines. So, why should he?
;-)
And the official adds one to Urizen's score.
This thread needs to be renamed..I always have a sudden urge for dessert everytime I scan the boards and see the thread.
the feminist art critique crowd
Ah! Militant feminists! I take my hat off to them - they don't like that!
On the other hand, Seoni's... robe? That thing bothers me. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. No, it's worse than that. It makes negative sense.
And for that, it should be applauded. Seoni should be applauded! For a control freak, she's quite the champion of the Cerulean Cause!
This thread needs to be renamed..I always have a sudden urge for dessert everytime I scan the boards and see the thread.
You're right. It should've been renamed "Is there too much T & A in the Pathfinder books?" because that's really what it the debate is. For the some, the answer is "yes there is", for others (like myself) the answer is "I'm not bothered by it, and I don't think there's too much" and for others the answer is "more, please".
Some that have posted have probably thought that I'm on the "more, please" side of the equation, but I'm not. I don't pay 50 bucks for the art and I haven't paid that much attention to the art in any of the books, outside of the Bestiary, to be honest. I go right past it for the info I need.
On the other hand, Seoni's... robe? That thing bothers me. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. No, it's worse than that. It makes negative sense. Whomever designed that owes the world some sense for having done so. Seoni looks appropriately hot (high-charisma character, after all), but dang she doesn't look comfortable.
I know someone who had Seoni's robes made for her, and she found it quite comfortable to wear. :)
Some that have posted have probably thought that I'm on the "more, please" side of the equation, but I'm not. I don't pay 50 bucks for the art and I haven't paid that much attention to the art in any of the books, outside of the Bestiary, to be honest. I go right past it for the info I need.
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It gets about a couple seconds of my time, and then I get to the literature. It's kind of how I view Playboy magazine, frankly. If I really wanted moar, I'd switch to Hustler. But it insults / demeans my intelligence.
Thankfully, I'm glad I live in a country where I can make that choice what I do (not) want to read and I leave the same for others. If I don't want the content, then I move on to the next product that suits my (lack of) sensibilities.
On the other hand, Seoni's... robe? That thing bothers me. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. No, it's worse than that. It makes negative sense. Whomever designed that owes the world some sense for having done so. Seoni looks appropriately hot (high-charisma character, after all), but dang she doesn't look comfortable.I know someone who had Seoni's robes made for her, and she found it quite comfortable to wear. :)
And I felt it quite comfortable to stare. :)
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Some that have posted have probably thought that I'm on the "more, please" side of the equation, but I'm not. I don't pay 50 bucks for the art and I haven't paid that much attention to the art in any of the books, outside of the Bestiary, to be honest. I go right past it for the info I need.+1
It gets about a couple seconds of my time, and then I get to the literature. It's kind of how I view Playboy magazine, frankly. If I really wanted moar, I'd switch to Hustler. But it insults / demeans my intelligence.
Thankfully, I'm glad I live in a country where I can make that choice what I do (not) want to read and I leave the same for others. If I don't want the content, then I move on to the next product that suits my (lack of) sensibilities.
+2.
This thread needs to be renamed..I always have a sudden urge for dessert everytime I scan the boards and see the thread.You're right. It should've been renamed "Is there too much T & A in the Pathfinder books?" because that's really what it the debate is. For the some, the answer is "yes there is", for others (like myself) the answer is "I'm not bothered by it, and I don't think there's too much" and for others the answer is "more, please".
Some that have posted have probably thought that I'm on the "more, please" side of the equation, but I'm not. I don't pay 50 bucks for the art and I haven't paid that much attention to the art in any of the books, outside of the Bestiary, to be honest. I go right past it for the info I need.
I hadn't recieved the impression that you were in the 'more, please' side of the equation. Of course, I don't see this discussion as having an all or nothing, binary set of options.
I'm sorry if you dislike the title, but I don't see a big difference between using 'cheesecake' and 'T&A'. The title is framed as a question because I'm curious about what others think of the matter.