"these NPCs can be performed in seven simple steps." Is telling you how to do it.
Can is not being used as can or can not. It is being used as a directional word. "You can open the door by pulling the handle down" is the way this is being used.
There are several ways to make a character. I, for example, choose my skill points last. I do think can is referring to a guideline, not a hard rule.
No. I quoted the rule that stated how you determined a "Roll" for both NPC and monster HD. A "Roll" by the rules for theses HD are assumed to be average.
It states you roll 3d8 yes. Then when you look at both the NPC creation and monster creation and the monster HD/HP rule it states "Rolls" are assumed to be average.
Seriously, read the quote. It specifically tells you to roll a d8 three times and total the dice together to determine the hit points for a creature. That is not "all rolls are assumed to be average". The game very specifically tells you that HD of 3d8 means you roll a d8 three times and total the dice together.
Seriously, read the quote. It specifically tells you to roll a d8 three times and total the dice together to determine the hit points for a creature. That is not "all rolls are assumed to be average". The game very specifically tells you that HD of 3d8 means you roll a d8 three times and total the dice together.
Seriously read both what I said and the sections I posted. "Roll" for an NPC is "Assumed average"
Which in no way contradict anything you just posted. You 'Roll" and add them together. For an NPC under the rolls those rolls on a d8 are 4.5 or 4,5,4 for a total of 13
The sections I linked clearly show how you "Roll" an NPC's HD. The one your quoting says to roll them and add totals. The one I linked said how to roll them.
That section merely agrees with what I posted. It says to roll. I lined how you "Roll" for NPCs
Seriously, read the quote. It specifically tells you to roll a d8 three times and total the dice together to determine the hit points for a creature. That is not "all rolls are assumed to be average". The game very specifically tells you that HD of 3d8 means you roll a d8 three times and total the dice together.
Seriously read both what I said and the sections I posted. "Roll" for an NPC is "Assumed average"
Which in no way contradict anything you just posted. You 'Roll" and add them together. For an NPC under the rolls those rolls on a d8 are 4.5 or 4,5,4 for a total of 13
The sections I linked clearly show how you "Roll" an NPC's HD. The one your quoting says to roll them and add totals. The one I linked said how to roll them.
That section merely agrees with what I posted. It says to roll. I lined how you "Roll" for NPCs
Seeker if you are just taking the average then you are not rolling anything. Take the average=don't roll. They are opposites by definition.
Seeker if you are just taking the average then you are not rolling anything. Take the average=don't roll. They are opposites by definition.
You're just going round and round in circles now. A = B, C = D, ergo B = C basically. I don't see how he get's B to equal D, but hey, it's not worth trying to talk to him, he's obviously absolutely convinced. If he wants to interpret it that way for his games, that's fine. It doesn't actually change what's written in the books.
Seeker if you are just taking the average then you are not rolling anything. Take the average=don't roll. They are opposites by definition.
Yet that is just what the text says. It stats "roll" is assume average. I can not help you do not agree with how they used the term roll for this instance. But that is what the book says
"Roll" for an NPC is "Assumed average"
Respectfully, the word "roll" doesn't mean what you think it means.
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I can see where seeker is coming from. Thanks to the beauty and versatility of the English language, some of the sections can be read different ways. I think the section seeker pointed out on page six of the beastiary is one good example. I, of course take the opposing viewpoint. Roll dem bones!.
But, it clearly says in step seven on page 454 of core rulebook, that HP are determined by using the average. I, as many others, take this to be a "guideline" rule for creating quickie NPC's.
Interestingly, I asked members of my group about this. Two sided with my reading, and two sided with seekers reading. So this definitely needs clairification with my friends.
So in closing, Please click the FAQ. Even if you are certain, there are certainly some that are certain you are wrong.
Thanks,
Greg
Eric Clingenpeel's rules quote was exactly what I was looking for, I can't speak for seekerofshadowlight but I have been convinced
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The interesting thing I'm finding with this whole debacle is that people are trying so hard to read between the line for what "assumed" and "roll" and yadda yadda semantically means, but nobody has taken heed to read between the line of why stat blocks in the Bestiary have two representations of HP. If it was madatory to have an average then they would list a flat HP value, not both. What's the point of putting the total dice if you have the CR staring you in the face and can just list that the creature gets 10 hp's per CR or something abridged of that nature.
It's funny which lines people choose to read between....
The interesting thing I'm finding with this whole debacle is that people are trying so hard to read between the line for what "assumed" and "roll" and yadda yadda semantically means, but nobody has taken heed to read between the line of why stat blocks in the Bestiary have two representations of HP. If it was madatory to have an average then they would list a flat HP value, not both. What's the point of putting the total dice if you have the CR staring you in the face and can just list that the creature gets 10 hp's per CR or something abridged of that nature.
It's funny which lines people choose to read between....
Unfortunately, that's not a valid argument. There are game mechanics players use which depend on the target's total hit dice. For example, the sleep spell is hit dice capped. If you threw away hit dice and just did a flat hp per CR, sleep as written would not work.