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Yeah, I realized that after I posted. For 5HD on that staff, it would add 25,000 gp. That would cover a target up to 10HD, more then enough for what I am looking for. Still cheaper than the ring.
Scrolls and Wands have the same issue. I have heard of GMs allowing creation w/o components, and components supplied at casting time.
Scrolls e wands aren't a problem, as they have a fixed CL, so you would pay whatever is the cost for the material components of the spell when cast at that level.
The problem are the staves, as the caster level of a staff change with the user and the creator can reduce the cost increasing the number of charges used.
For simulacrum I would simply rule that that spell can't be placed in a staff.
If you, as a GM, want to put that spell into a staff, the minimum caster level is 13, so you have to pay for what a spell of that level will produce, a simulacrum with 26 HD. 500*26=13.000. 50 uses of the material component =650.000
If the ability drain 10 charges with each use it would become 65.000. Or maybe not. Re-reading how staves creation work you reduce the spell cost, but you still have to provide 50 uses of the material component.
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Coven is not a hex in this instance. Its an ability that hags possess. And yes, a simulacrum of a hag could participate in a coven. The simulacrum is not "gaining power" as it already had the power to join a coven and is merely benefiting from using the ability.
Yes, I noticed that the focus of the question had changed after posting and corrected my post.
The simulacrum is not gaining power, but it is not a hag, only a partially real illusion of one.
If I create a permanent illusion of a hag, it can be part of a coven?
If it is a simulacrum and thus has that ability, yes. Remember, Simulacrums have the actual creature type and characteristics of what they are copies of (see the FAQs for details).
Yeah, I realized that after I posted. For 5HD on that staff, it would add 25,000 gp. That would cover a target up to 10HD, more then enough for what I am looking for. Still cheaper than the ring.
Scrolls and Wands have the same issue. I have heard of GMs allowing creation w/o components, and components supplied at casting time.
Scrolls e wands aren't a problem, as they have a fixed CL, so you would pay whatever is the cost for the material components of the spell when cast at that level.
The problem are the staves, as the caster level of a staff change with the user and the creator can reduce the cost increasing the number of charges used.
For simulacrum I would simply rule that that spell can't be placed in a staff.If you, as a GM, want to put that spell into a staff, the minimum caster level is 13, so you have to pay for what a spell of that level will produce, a simulacrum with 26 HD. 500*26=13.000. 50 uses of the material component =650.000
If the ability drain 10 charges with each use it would become 65.000. Or maybe not. Re-reading how staves creation work you reduce the spell cost, but you still have to provide 50 uses of the material component.
Actually, scrolls and wands have that problem also. How much for Restoration? How much for Animate Dead? These spells have a variable material cost.
As to how much to add to the staff, If I craft with materials for making 5HD creatures, then the staff can only make that HD max.
What do you think of requiring the component separate to the staff, so you supply the 500gp/HD when you use the staff?
/cevah
If it is a simulacrum and thus has that ability, yes. Remember, Simulacrums have the actual creature type and characteristics of what they are copies of (see the FAQs for details).
FAQ was actually JJ's post in this thread, question #2.
(2) What about their creature type? Does it match the originals, or are they constructs?They are not constructs. Creature type is the same as the original.
/cevah
Blah-blah, Rules sub-forum, RAW, etc, acknowledged. That side...
One method of allowing wish SLAs to exist, capping simulacrum power, and letting simulacra keep the theme... cap the equivalent effect that a simulacra could create, according to a similar spell at that same level: limited wish. Effectively, a simulacra could not support an effect who's power is greater than 6th level (or 5th level divine). This would be similar in theme/tone with the "half power" of the other abilities and, while still extremely potent, curtail some tendency to cause problems of such abilities, while being similar in power to a spell of the same level. Alternately/also, making it 50% real.
RAW, though, it seems to work as Cevah suggests, including the coven.
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Scrolls e wands aren't a problem, as they have a fixed CL, so you would pay whatever is the cost for the material components of the spell when cast at that level.Yeah, I realized that after I posted. For 5HD on that staff, it would add 25,000 gp. That would cover a target up to 10HD, more then enough for what I am looking for. Still cheaper than the ring.
Scrolls and Wands have the same issue. I have heard of GMs allowing creation w/o components, and components supplied at casting time.
The material components of the spell vary in cost based on the specific creature targeted. Same with trap the soul.
If you make a magic item you pay for the highest cost use possible.
If you are making a scroll of restoration you pay the 1.000 gp cost of restoring a level, not the 100 gp cost of restoring a reduced characteristic.If you make a scroll of simulacrum you pay for the highest cost possible with that scroll. Same thing for a staff.
Doing it another say is simply an attempt to pay less for an effect.
Actually, scrolls and wands have that problem also. How much for Restoration? How much for Animate Dead? These spells have a variable material cost.As to how much to add to the staff, If I craft with materials for making 5HD creatures, then the staff can only make that HD max.
What do you think of requiring the component separate to the staff, so you supply the 500gp/HD when you use the staff?
/cevah
Only if you are trying to game the system.
A wand or scroll has a spell at a specific casting level. You pay for the material requirements for that caster level. You animate a lower number of zombies? Some of the scroll is wasted.
Doing it another way would be only create problems.
Restoration is even simpler: you pay for the higher cost version. The creator has no control on how the scroll will be used, so you will have to pay for the highest cost.
You could decide to do some more bookkeeping ad write down what kind of scroll you have purchased, but I think that that is not RAW.
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"Do you have a citation anywhere for "you pay the highest cost possible"?" and "the d20 SRD" as your source ....
Caster Level (CL): The next item in a notational entry gives the caster level of the item, indicating its relative power. The caster level determines the item's saving throw bonus, as well as range or other level-dependent aspects of the powers of the item (if variable).
Animate dead has a cost that is variable with the caster level,a s you can affet more HD of dead creatures? Yes, so you must determine the number of HD affected usign the CL. "Components V, S, M (an onyx gem worth at least 25 gp per Hit Die of the undead)"
Simulacrum? The same. "Components V, S, M (ice sculpture of the target plus powdered rubies worth 500 gp per HD of the simulacrum)"Wish? "Components V, S, M (diamond worth 25,000 gp)" and "When a wish duplicates a spell with a material component that costs more than 10,000 gp, you must provide that component (in addition to the 25,000 gp diamond component for this spell)." The last part is not part of the component line. It is something that you should provide when you sue the wish, like you must provide the target for a fabricate scroll, even if the material component is the target of the spell .
Restoration si the only one with some doubt, as the component lien say "Components V, S, M (diamond dust worth 100 gp or 1,000 gp, see text)", giving two different options.
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The SRD that you like to cite is a 3rd party product that as the same validity of my opinion when we are speaking of Pathfinder, unless they are citing a piece of the Pathfinder rules verbatim.
The scroll prices have been removed in Pathfinder, so you are citing something that has been purposefully removed as a rule.
The SRD that you like to cite is a 3rd party product that as the same validity of my opinion when we are speaking of Pathfinder, unless they are citing a piece of the Pathfinder rules verbatim.
The scroll prices have been removed in Pathfinder, so you are citing something that has been purposefully removed as a rule.
PRD 8th level scrolls shows Trap The Soul as 23,000 gp. That is 3,000 for 8th level + 20,000 for HD at 1,000/HD. How do you get 20 HD for that spell? No mention of a HD cap is given on the spell, nor any relationship between HD and CL.
PRD 9th level scrolls shows Wish at 28,825 gp. That is 3,825 gp for the spell and 25,000 gp for the components. Yet wish states "When a wish duplicates a spell with a material component that costs more than 10,000 gp, you must provide that component (in addition to the 25,000 gp diamond component for this spell).", so it could cost more than 25,000 gp.
Looks like someone put them back in.
/cevah