IMO, it's underpowered. Let them keep their feat and give the option as standard.
Agreed, its not wroth a feat for something that should be standard.
In a game that I took this option with, my DM felt it was a bit much for one feat. As I wanted a swashbuckler-type anyway, he let me swap it for medium and heavy armour proficiency, and my bonus feats at 8th and 16th. In return he game me a load more class skills than were listed.
As I was flicking through it I noticed that some of the classes had a interesting flavour feat that replaced the standard feat (also noticed it was set up as the old Alpha Skill points system) the fighter feat for training at a war school allowed not only 4 skill points a level (which is nice in and of itself) but it opened up a slew of skills to fighters as class skills.
Seems a bit overpowered and I know like most things it is optional, but I was wondering is there is an offical and more balanced upgrade for this.
Edit: If a trait is one skill as a class skill and traits are half feats, just wondering if 3 skills is appropriate or two if house ruling this and if the 4 skills a level would still apply
While i personally don't mind it, i believe Jacobs said that this feat would (most likely) not be making a reappearance in the PF updated Campaign Setting book.
Well, I think 1 extra skill point per level is worth one feat, myself, so to gain +2 skill ranks per level a fighter should have to forego two feats or feat equivalents. For example, a Navel college might forego heavy armour proficiency and one bonus feat.
In trade for that 1st level feat I think that's fair. That feat is make 2 feats at 1st level, 3 if you are human. That's worth more that just a feat. It also progresses with you, you get the new feats a level earlier assuming you meet the other prereqs. Like you can get power attack and weapon focus at 1st level. The bonus progresses is that you aren't using you 2nd level feat for power attack leaving you open to Cleave at 2nd instead of 3rd. This works all the way through, I saw it happen in group where one fighter took this feature change and the other didn't. All the way up to level 17 when we ended the game the effect was noticeable, the one fighter always had the extra feat ahead of the other. Certain key feats of course came at the same level like weapon specialization but other like endurance came up a level earlier for the fighter with the bonus feat when both players got Mitheral Full Plate.
Then what is your opinion of Open Minded, Dabbler? The feat that gave 5 skill points all at once.
I do think this subject is worthy of homebrewing no matter if we contend on how to do so!
The DSP version for Pathfinder is re-written along the lines of the Toughness feat was - you get +1 skill point per hit die now, not a flat +5. I think this is a good way to go myself, although I'd have made it +2 ...
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The DSP version for Pathfinder is re-written along the lines of the Toughness feat was - you get +1 skill point per hit die now, not a flat +5.
DSP? Is that an acronym for the PF equivalent of Open Minded, or an acronym for the book it comes in? If such a feat exists I would be interested in seeing it. Ta!
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DreamScarred Press, the people who are doing a psionics rules PF update Here..
Ah thanks! Not a Paizo feat then :( (I assume it won't be legal for PFS play)
Well the original Open Minded wasn't either, so they make no difference. But you can look at it like this:
Toughness = 1 feat = +3 hp in 3.5 = +1 hp/level in PF
Open Minded = 1 feat = +5 skill points in 3.5 = you work it out ;)
Well, it's a once only feat and if you think about it, it does kind of fix that problem of low skill rank classes ... trade in one feat, have decent skills.