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In undead traits:
Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless).
Ghostbane Dirge requires a fortitude save to negate. It doesn't specify that it is harmless. Incorporeal undead are therefore immune to this effect. I am not aware of any incorporeal creatures that are not undead except for one outsider.
What's the deal?
In undead traits:
Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless).Ghostbane Dirge requires a fortitude save to negate. It doesn't specify that it is harmless. Incorporeal undead are therefore immune to this effect. I am not aware of any incorporeal creatures that are not undead except for one outsider.
What's the deal?
Nice catch. As written, the spell is pretty much useless.
I would hope it isn't too difficult for anyone here to instantly realize how to "fix" the spell. This isn't really an issue.
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I would hope it isn't too difficult for anyone here to instantly realize how to "fix" the spell. This isn't really an issue.
Indeed, but as Mr. Metric noted, the Society needs errata. This should have been caught when the book was proofed and it should be fixed when they reprint it. That's why I bring it up.
And I don't know if I should "fix" Enemy Hammer, which has a similar problem. Should undead also be able to lose actions? The answer to that probably depends on whether you think you lose the actions because you are disoriented by being tossed about or because you are held by TK bonds.
Is the outsider you speak of the Shadow Demon? Because that's one I tried this spell on to help the party hurt the dang things... dang demons and their Fort saves...
It was indeed. PFSRD's monster database is awesome; I didn't even know a non-undead incorporeal creature existed until I spent a few minutes with the DB.
In undead traits:
Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless).Ghostbane Dirge requires a fortitude save to negate. It doesn't specify that it is harmless. Incorporeal undead are therefore immune to this effect. I am not aware of any incorporeal creatures that are not undead except for one outsider.
What's the deal?
Ghostbane Dirge is a will save.
Ghostbane Dirge is a will save.In undead traits:
Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless).Ghostbane Dirge requires a fortitude save to negate. It doesn't specify that it is harmless. Incorporeal undead are therefore immune to this effect. I am not aware of any incorporeal creatures that are not undead except for one outsider.
What's the deal?
Did you happen to look at the date of the post before you necro'd it? My guess would be they actually fixed the issue sometime in the last oh, what, almost 3 years since the post was made.
Did you happen to look at the date of the post before you necro'd it? My guess would be they actually fixed the issue sometime in the last oh, what, almost 3 years since the post was made.Ghostbane Dirge is a will save.In undead traits:
Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless).Ghostbane Dirge requires a fortitude save to negate. It doesn't specify that it is harmless. Incorporeal undead are therefore immune to this effect. I am not aware of any incorporeal creatures that are not undead except for one outsider.
What's the deal?
My first printing Core rulebook says will save.
My first printing Core rulebook says will save.Did you happen to look at the date of the post before you necro'd it? My guess would be they actually fixed the issue sometime in the last oh, what, almost 3 years since the post was made.Ghostbane Dirge is a will save.In undead traits:
Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless).Ghostbane Dirge requires a fortitude save to negate. It doesn't specify that it is harmless. Incorporeal undead are therefore immune to this effect. I am not aware of any incorporeal creatures that are not undead except for one outsider.
What's the deal?
...Point being, why did you reply to an almost 3 year old post? What purpose did it serve?
Short answer is there isn't any. Anyone who reads the spell will see 'Will save' and not come looking for a 3 year old post about the spell having a save other than what it has in the published books/PRD.
Failing to see how this spell is useless. It's an excellent spell (at lower-mid levels) for wailing on an incorporeal creature. Magic weapons do full damage instead of just half. It's like giving mass ghost touch against a single target.
Ensure your caster has a scroll of this handy.
Skylancer4: What purpose serves your posts?
Short answer is, there isn't any.
Skylancer4: What purpose serves your posts?
Short answer is, there isn't any.
Congrats on necro'ing the post a second time.
Congrats on necro'ing the post a second time.Skylancer4: What purpose serves your posts?
Short answer is, there isn't any.
If we cast Ghostbane Dirge at the thread, will we be able to kill it?