What's the penalty for using bastard sword and light xbow in same round?

[emirikol]

My cavalier has two-weapon proficiency and exotic wep prof for bastard sword.

What's the penalty for attacking with both a bastard sword and the light crossbow in the same round?

Is there an AoO?

jh

[Zaister]

The rules say this about light crossbows:

PRD wrote:

Normally, operating a light crossbow requires two hands. However, you can shoot, but not load, a light crossbow with one hand at a –2 penalty on attack rolls. You can shoot a light crossbow with each hand, but you take a penalty on attack rolls as if attacking with two light weapons. This penalty is cumulative with the penalty for one-handed firing.

So, I'd say, if your crossbow is loaded, you can use both weapons in the same round, as a full-round action, of course, with -2 to the attack roll with the sword, and -4 to the attack roll with the crossbow. You cannot, however, reload the crossbow while holding on to the sword.

You should incur an attack of opportunity for using a ranged attack when threatened, just as normal.

[TheChozyn]

The penalty would be -2/-4

and yes there would be an AoO when you fired the crossbow if the melee combatant was still threatening.

Edit: Zaister got there first darn trying to post at work ;)

[james maissen]

emirikol wrote:

My cavalier has two-weapon proficiency and exotic wep prof for bastard sword.

What's the penalty for attacking with both a bastard sword and the light crossbow in the same round?

Is there an AoO?

jh

There is no penalty. There is an AOO for firing a ranged weapon as usual.

It will require a full attack action and sufficient attacks. Further you will need either quickdraw or to have each weapon in hand at the time.

Now if you are trying to get an EXTRA attack as in TWF, then there are associated penalties. A light crossbow is considered a light weapon for TWF penalties.

Likewise firing a light crossbow in one hand can have penalties (-2 to hit).

Finally if riding a horse and moving fast enough there are ranged weapon penalties involved.

These penalties will stack.

It depends on what you are asking here.

For example:
PC 1 with BAB 6 swings his Bastard sword at goblin A killing it. PC 1 then drops his sword, quickdraws a loaded crossbow (ask your DM on walking around with a loaded crossbow), and then PC 1 fires crossbow at goblin B based upon a BAB of 1.

Another example:
PC 2 with less than a 6BAB has a bastard sword in one hand and a light crossbow in the other. He uses his TWF feat to lesson the penalties as he attacks both with his sword and crossbow in a full attack action (normally he'd only be entitled to 1 attack even with a full attack action at his BAB). His sword swings at a penalty of -2 to hit, and his crossbow fires (provoking an AOO from any enemy that still threatens him.. note he could 5' step between the sword swing & firing) at a -4 to hit (-2 for TWF with a light weapon, -2 for firing a crossbow with only one hand).

-James

[Lathiira]

Standard two-weapon fighting penalties plus AoO from the crossbow.

[Ender_rpm]

It comes down to simultaneous or iterative:

Simultaneous- TWF rules apply

Iterative: ie :"I shoot the guy, drop the cross bow, take a 5' step and quick draw my sword (all free actions) and use my 2nd attack." would carry no penalties IMO.

[james maissen]

Ender_rpm wrote:

It comes down to simultaneous or iterative:

A small quibble here. Even with TWF it's not simultaneous.

The TWFer could swing his sword, 5' step then fire the crossbow as well. It's just that there would be TWF penalties involved for getting this EXTRA attack rather than just an iterative attack based upon BAB.

-James

[Ender_rpm]

james maissen wrote:

Ender_rpm wrote:

It comes down to simultaneous or iterative:

A small quibble here. Even with TWF it's not simultaneous.

The TWFer could swing his sword, 5' step then fire the crossbow as well. It's just that there would be TWF penalties involved for getting this EXTRA attack rather than just an iterative attack based upon BAB.

-James

Huh, hadn't thought of that- Can you take the 5ft step when TWFing? Makes sens that you could, it being a full attack and all, but it's never come up in my games.

[james maissen]

Ender_rpm wrote:

Huh, hadn't thought of that- Can you take the 5ft step when TWFing? Makes sens that you could, it being a full attack and all, but it's never come up in my games.

You can indeed.

The weird one is taking a 5' step when doing a whirlwind attack.

-James

[Ender_rpm]

james maissen wrote:

The weird one is taking a 5' step when doing a whirlwind attack.

-James

Not sure I'd allow that one, but I can also see where it could be lawyered.

[james maissen]

Ender_rpm wrote:

james maissen wrote:

The weird one is taking a 5' step when doing a whirlwind attack.

-James

Not sure I'd allow that one, but I can also see where it could be lawyered.

As I said, it is the weird one. But it is completely legal and consistent.

It just doesn't fit the random whirl of a blade that people envision with a whirlwind attack. That frankly doesn't fit with the feat, the prereqs or the lack of restrictions on weapon type for the feat. But that's the picture people have of it so there you go.

-James

[emirikol]

emirikol wrote:

My cavalier has two-weapon proficiency and exotic wep prof for bastard sword. What's the penalty for attacking with both a bastard sword and the light crossbow in the same round?Is there an AoO?

jh

Do I get a penalty for firing into my own melee if I'm using both attacks against the same opponent? ;)

Do I get a +1 elevation bonus for being mounted? (Isn't this the case all the time against footmen?)

jh