I'm looking for a source that gives me measurements in feet or meters or ???? I'm having trouble finding an answer.
Anybody have a source?
Sigurd
For extra points how big is a Green Dragon head and\or its eyes?
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I'm looking for a source that gives me measurements in feet or meters or ???? I'm having trouble finding an answer.
Anybody have a source?
Sigurd
For extra points how big is a Green Dragon head and\or its eyes?
Well look at the space it occupies. Medium = 5x5, large 10x10, etc. That should give you a starting point.
You could always measure by comparing a medium D&D miniature to a Huge Dragon Miniature. That should allow you to at the very least eyeball it. The Draconomicon had some measurements in it as I recall, but I could be mistaken...
Based on the size of the space it occupies and its reach, I would say roughly 40 feet in length. 15 (space) +15 (bite reach) + 10 (tail reach) = 40. I would also guess that an adult green dragon is probably a little more than 15 feet high on all fours, and about 30 when standing upright on its hind legs based on these same measurements.
Comparing that to a tyrannosaur, I'd say the dragon's head is probably about 3-4 feet long, with the eyes about the size of a golf-ball. Still, that is just a guess on my part.
If you want to go by the standards of WotC's MM, a Huge creature is roughly 16-32 feet, and 2-16 tons.
Draconimicon has specific listings for sizes in feet, its likely exactly what you are looking for.
If you don't have access to that, my best offhand calculations (and the reasoning behind them) is as follows:
Huge size represents a span of 16-32 feet. For a quadreped, this is listed as distance from tip of nose to base of tail. Dragons usually have tails that are as long as their own main body (legs to legs) at least. So you can add an extra 50% of the size to get the full nose to tail length.
Since huge covers a 16 foot span, we must decide where in huge it is. According to the Pathfinder SRD, a huge green dragon can be Young Adult, Adult, or Mature Adult. With three reference points, we can plot the size as marginally above minimum, median, and marginally below maximum (to allow for some degree of separation from the sizes above and below huge).
So, that gives us a Young Adult with a length of 18 feet (or 27 to tail end). An Adult would be roughly 24 (36 to tail end). And a Mature Adult would be 34 (51 feet to tail end.)
Regarding head size, the illustration from the Bestiary (and from the Dragons Revisited book) makes the head look roughly about 1/7th to 1/8th of the body length (nose to tail base). So, for our 3 sizes:
Young Adult Head Length: between 2' and 2-3 inches to 2' and 6-8 inches.
Adult Head Length: between 3' and 3' and 5-7 inches.
Mature Adult Head Length: between 4' and 3 inches to 5' give or take an inch.
You could extrapolate a rough skull height from the length based on illustrations as well. Eyeballs are at least golf-ball sized (human eyes are basically that large, if you count the entire occular assembly) for the Young Adult, I could see tennis ball or even baseball sized for the larger two.
This is all rough math, but it likely works well enough. In the end, the Draconimicon is likely more accurate and definitely faster. But its certainly simple enough to calucate on your own.
I just checked Dragons Revisited and the Bestiary. Near as I can tell, neither one says. I suspect there is no official answer on that. But you can use size rules to make a good estimate.
Generally, creatures of a particular size are twice as tall, twice as long and twice as wide as the creature one size smaller.
This also means that creatures weigh about 8 times as much as a creature one size smaller. (2x2x2 = 8)
Medium Human 6', 200 lb.
Large Human 12', 1600 lb.
Huge Human 24', 12800 lb.
etc.
I would take a komodo dragon and work from there.
Uh, hang on, I'll wiki...
Average length between 6.6 and 9.8 feet in length, let's call that 8.2. Average weight 150 lb.
Large 16.4' in length, 1200 lb.
Huge 32.8' in length, 9600 lb.
Dragons are pretty stocky, and they have wings. I'd double all the weights.
In the art, Green dragons have tiny little white eyes on the side of their heads and great big Rhino horns on their noses.
Thank you guys so much for all the responses. I dug out a Draconomicon and they say 20000lbs or 10 US (short) tons. Which I just can't picture.
Apparently a Male African Elephant can weigh up to 15000 lbs, the females up to 8000lbs. So a huge Dragon weighs a third again the weight of the biggest elephant you've ever seen or two females.
I somehow think that's a little heavy given dragon lightness for flying but its something to go on.
I like Robert Ranting's estimate based on the Tyrannosaurus. I'm seeing estimates for larger T-rexs at up to 7.5 short tons (15000lbs). I picture dragons as being more sinewy than dinosaurs so I don't think their heads would have to be any bigger.
T-Rex skulls are up to 5 feet long. I'm going to guess huge dragon skulls are 4 to 5 feet long 1.5' wide and the horn on their head is 1-2' long. An eye the size of cue ball or hardball suites my purpose.
Going to need more wagons :)
Thanks everyone.
Sigurd
So going by the draconomicon its overall length, width, and height are roughly the same as a semi trailer, (53' long ~8' wide and ~13'6" tall) Take 20 ft off that for the tale and the main body and head would be a little over the size of half the trailer. A big beastie.
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Apparently a Male African Elephant can weigh up to 15000 lbs, the females up to 8000lbs. So a huge Dragon weighs a third again the weight of the biggest elephant you've ever seen or two females.
I somehow think that's a little heavy given dragon lightness for flying but its something to go on.
Sigurd
Well dragons do get about twice the size of these elephants and have 1-2 inches of thick armored scales, plates, and horns...so that weight could easily count in there somewhere.
I also remember somewhere it noting that a dragons ability to fly is more of a supernatural power than it is mundane.
Technically I think you could go with the approximation to the allosaurus, or some other elephant-sized carnivorous dinosaur, or perhaps one of those prehistoric crocodiles. Orcas are also huge.
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I'm looking for a source that gives me measurements in feet or meters or ???? I'm having trouble finding an answer.
Anybody have a source?
Sigurd
For extra points how big is a Green Dragon head and\or its eyes?
Here is a good site
So big T-rexes were no bigger than a big elephant? T-rexes just got a lot lamer for me. I've wasted my childhood.
T-Rexes were only like 18 feet tall. Yeah, that surprised me as well when I first read about it.
How big is a Huge Dragon?
Large.
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