Half-Dragon Warforged?


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In both the 3.5 and Pathfinder versions of the Half-Dragon template, the prerequisite for this template requires that the base creature must be a living, corporeal being. This automatically eliminates any creature with the Construct and Undead types. But what if the Construct has the Living Construct subtype? A subtype which gives Constructs some qualities of living creatures.

The Warforged being Constructs with the Living Construct subtype couldn't become Half-Dragons under the 3.5 version of the template. But since the Pathfinder version of the template now has it as an acquired template as well as an inherited one, it should be possible to apply it to a living construct.

Thoughts?


You should be able to work the other way around from a Warforged and then start doing grafts with living tissues or limbs....I can't remember the Eberron book(s), but there's some PrCs and Feats out there that focuses on Warforged wanting to become more 'human'. I think there's even a mix of them to add undead grafts, too. But someone with more intimate knowledge than I of Eberron should be able to specifically mention where. Otherwise, I'll have to dig out my books and look further.


You know I had similar thoughts about the rebirth ritual for becoming a Dragonborn. It is well with in the rules for the Warforge to undergo the ritual but what would the result be? Would you come out looking like a mechanical dragon? If that is the case that is way to cool.

Liberty's Edge

technically, warforged cannot be half-dragons. The "living construct" subtype does not grant the ability to reproduce, which is a rather fundamental part of how "half dragons" are created.

That said, nothing prevents someone from building a warforged partially out of dragon parts, any more than one could build a golem or weapons/armors out of dragon parts.

Dark Archive

Two options (other than above) I could see;

1) A dragon who isn't terribly interested in breeding with non-dragons has developed a ritual means of infusing a living creature with draconic essence, half-dragon-ifying it.

2) The maker of warforged chose to make them in that form (with claws, wings, fangs, greater strength, etc.) and with alchemical bladders and stuff giving them breath weapos. It has the template because it was built to emulate draconic properties, but has no 'dragon's blood.'


I toyed with the idea once.
Suppose you wanted a Warforged Barbarian/Sorcerer and enter the dragon Disciple Prestige Class.
Depending on your earlier feat choices, the end result would look like a mechanical half-dragon of the appropriate colour sculpted from adamantine, mithral, or whatnot (steel, wood, silver, cold iron, ...).

Granted, it's a bit of a stretch till you're there, but it would be well within the rules.

Oh, and the bit about Warforged becoming more "human" throuh their Prestige Class: you'll want to have a look at the "Reforged" Prestige Class from Races of Eberron.

Have fun. ;-)


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Dahak, that despicable worm, apparently created draconic sex robots that are a bit too realistic. They lay eggs.


Well, I think that half-dragon certainly should allow constructs and undead as well. There are ways to explain both.

The Exchange

Apsu the Waybringer wrote:
Dahak, that despicable worm, apparently created draconic sex robots that are a bit too realistic. They lay eggs.

I don't even know what to say to this, but I'm pretty sure he just won the thread for most creative way to have a half-dragon warforged

EDIT: on a side note, I had a similar problem trying to wrap my mind around a vampire living construct


BobChuck wrote:
technically, warforged cannot be half-dragons. The "living construct" subtype does not grant the ability to reproduce, which is a rather fundamental part of how "half dragons" are created.

But half dragons can also result from magical experimentation, not just breeding alone.

PRD wrote:
Half-dragons are only rarely the result of dragons mating with other creatures—most are the result of strange magical experiments.

That said, Warforged would be possible as Half Dragons. Just as they built Warforged Scouts (Halfling like warforged) and Warforged Chargers (Tauric warforged), a Warforged Half Dragon would be possible.

And scary.


Hunterofthedusk wrote:
Apsu the Waybringer wrote:
Dahak, that despicable worm, apparently created draconic sex robots that are a bit too realistic. They lay eggs.

I don't even know what to say to this, but I'm pretty sure he just won the thread for most creative way to have a half-dragon warforged

EDIT: on a side note, I had a similar problem trying to wrap my mind around a vampire living construct

Well, Apsu is one of those really old, primal deities. The kind that transforms into a swan to hit on women.


Hunterofthedusk wrote:
...on a side note, I had a similar problem trying to wrap my mind around a vampire living construct

Well, installing fangs and some alchemical blood processing device could do the trick for you :)

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No, I mean having an Ironborn or Warforged get bitten by a vampire, drained of all of their constitution, and then becoming a vampire. Just like a human becoming a vampire, only it's much weirder... Although, for my conundrum it was an Ironborn, who are Humanoids with the (Ironborn) subtype, so there's no question about whether or not it can be done by the rules.


So... warforged's woodedn parts suddenly start to grow parasitic roots? :)


BobChuck wrote:

technically, warforged cannot be half-dragons. The "living construct" subtype does not grant the ability to reproduce, which is a rather fundamental part of how "half dragons" are created.

That said, nothing prevents someone from building a warforged partially out of dragon parts, any more than one could build a golem or weapons/armors out of dragon parts.

Oh how I miss the old Dragon Disciple. T_T


Zmar wrote:
So... warforged's woodedn parts suddenly start to grow parasitic roots? :)

Actually, that sounds kinda freaky cool. =)


Urizen wrote:
Zmar wrote:
So... warforged's woodedn parts suddenly start to grow parasitic roots? :)
Actually, that sounds kinda freaky cool. =)

That'll teach the PCs to use mistletoe for constructs ;)


Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
BobChuck wrote:

technically, warforged cannot be half-dragons. The "living construct" subtype does not grant the ability to reproduce, which is a rather fundamental part of how "half dragons" are created.

That said, nothing prevents someone from building a warforged partially out of dragon parts, any more than one could build a golem or weapons/armors out of dragon parts.

Oh how I miss the old Dragon Disciple. T_T

I always wanted to play a Warforged who would go from barbarian/sorcerer or duskblade into 3.5 Dragon Disciple. It really was one of my favorite general ideas for an Eberron PC.


Flesh golem is a construct, right? So the warforged in question was built out of a mixture of humanoid/dragon parts... As the warforged progresses through levels as a dragon disciple, the dragon parts become more dominant...

Dragonstien...


Here thar be thread necromancy. Approach with caution. Also Machinedramon!


Warforged are alive so they should qualify. Normal constructs are not alive, but warforfed having a con score and having the living subtype dont have that problem.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Courrain wrote:

In both the 3.5 and Pathfinder versions of the Half-Dragon template, the prerequisite for this template requires that the base creature must be a living, corporeal being. This automatically eliminates any creature with the Construct and Undead types. But what if the Construct has the Living Construct subtype? A subtype which gives Constructs some qualities of living creatures.

The Warforged being Constructs with the Living Construct subtype couldn't become Half-Dragons under the 3.5 version of the template. But since the Pathfinder version of the template now has it as an acquired template as well as an inherited one, it should be possible to apply it to a living construct.

Thoughts?

The Warforged is a Construct, irregardless of whether it's a living construct, it's still a construct. So the template can not be applied unless you have a compliant DM who will allow this level of cheesiness in his campaign.


LazarX wrote:
Courrain wrote:

In both the 3.5 and Pathfinder versions of the Half-Dragon template, the prerequisite for this template requires that the base creature must be a living, corporeal being. This automatically eliminates any creature with the Construct and Undead types. But what if the Construct has the Living Construct subtype? A subtype which gives Constructs some qualities of living creatures.

The Warforged being Constructs with the Living Construct subtype couldn't become Half-Dragons under the 3.5 version of the template. But since the Pathfinder version of the template now has it as an acquired template as well as an inherited one, it should be possible to apply it to a living construct.

Thoughts?

The Warforged is a Construct, irregardless of whether it's a living construct, it's still a construct. So the template can not be applied unless you have a compliant DM who will allow this level of cheesiness in his campaign.

The half dragon template only specifies corporeal and alive. It does not say anything about restricting constructs. It just so happens that normally constructs are not alive. However once one is given life it qualifies.

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