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No, actually I laughed my ass off. Unfortunately it grew back.On a side note, did your head explode when Lou Ferigno appeared in the hulk movies...?
;-)Cameos are always fun. Stan Lee appearing as Hugh Hefner in one the movies (was it a Iron Man?). Bruce 'Ash' Campbell appearing in all of the Spider-Man movies as different characters (including as the man who named Spiderman!).
There is a ongoing 'movement' that is pressing to have Bruce Campbell's character in the Spider-man movies all be the same guy: an out of work actor named Quentin Beck. ;)
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Article with concept art of the Captain America movie costume
I'm not sure how I feel about it. It looks cool, but does it look like Cap? Yes and no. It's not exactly like the costume as traditionally rendered in comics. Still, it is recognizable in a way. Anyway, the jury in my head is still out.
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My two C-bills (yes this is from the purist speaking)
There's been a lot of re-imaging of Cap recently, at least it's not James' Cap outfit.
The Helmet/mask is similar to what we've seen as recently as Captain America Reborn in 616 continuity, while the belt pouches and body straps seem to be part of Ultimate Captain America.
I'd prefer more red striping on the torso, and the 616 chain mail, but it really does look a lot like the Ultimate Cap uniform.
I'd prefer the triangular shield, then for him to get the round one in Avengers, but again, that's my biases.
Just please use the belt pouches. This isn't 'Cap by Rob Liefield'
I would hope not as I didn't really care for the neocon personality that Millar gave the Ultimate Cap.
But it really wasn't a Neo-Con personality. It's pretty much in line with an American attitude right off the war and running through until massive disillusionment of the 1960s. Cap's a man out of his time by 21st century standards but not of his own time's standards. He has an excuse to be like that.
And his attitudes played an excellent foil to those of Iron Man, Thor, and the Wasp. Their interplay as we learned more about the characters was pretty good and, at least through Ultimates 2 (Ultimates 3 was a terrible disappointment), showed that Cap was growing as a person and pretty much right in the direction that would take him to the more modern views of the main Captain America line. At least I thought so.
I would hope not as I didn't really care for the neocon personality that Millar gave the Ultimate Cap.I just have to wonder if we're going to hear Cap utter the most (in)famous ultimate Captain America line...
"Surrender? Do you think this 'A' on my forehead stands for 'FRANCE'?"
Oh, c'mon. Being 1/4 French , I found the line hilarious.
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I would hope not as I didn't really care for the neocon personality that Millar gave the Ultimate Cap.But it really wasn't a Neo-Con personality. It's pretty much in line with an American attitude right off the war and running through until massive disillusionment of the 1960s. Cap's a man out of his time by 21st century standards but not of his own time's standards. He has an excuse to be like that.
And his attitudes played an excellent foil to those of Iron Man, Thor, and the Wasp. Their interplay as we learned more about the characters was pretty good and, at least through Ultimates 2 (Ultimates 3 was a terrible disappointment), showed that Cap was growing as a person and pretty much right in the direction that would take him to the more modern views of the main Captain America line. At least I thought so.
This line from Ultimates Annual is how I see Ultimates Cap after all:
Captain America: No. It's just means that my head and my heart tell me it's 1945. They tell me that when I switch on the radio, it should take a minute to warm up and music should come out, not noise and foul language. They tell me that when I talk about God as something real, people should understand, not look away as if I'm crazy. They tell me that I should be winning a war that will make the world free and everyone equal -- not looking at the sad result of sixty years of compromise and lowered expectations. They tell me that I'm just a man. No better than any other. But no worse.Which is funny since there's a lot of that in how I feel at times.
And this quote as well from 616-Cap
Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world - "No, you move."
Amazing Spider-Man #537
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I would hope not as I didn't really care for the neocon personality that Millar gave the Ultimate Cap.But it really wasn't a Neo-Con personality. It's pretty much in line with an American attitude right off the war and running through until massive disillusionment of the 1960s. Cap's a man out of his time by 21st century standards but not of his own time's standards. He has an excuse to be like that.
And his attitudes played an excellent foil to those of Iron Man, Thor, and the Wasp. Their interplay as we learned more about the characters was pretty good and, at least through Ultimates 2 (Ultimates 3 was a terrible disappointment), showed that Cap was growing as a person and pretty much right in the direction that would take him to the more modern views of the main Captain America line. At least I thought so.
I always liked the notion that Cap was above all that from the very beginning and not the bullying ignoramus that Millar made him. And the France joke is not from the WWII era hence why I don't like Cap saying it as it makes him sounds like one of the trolls of today.
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This line from Ultimates Annual is how I see Ultimates Cap after all:
Captain America: No. It's just means that my head and my heart tell me it's 1945. They tell me that when I switch on the radio, it should take a minute to warm up and music should come out, not noise and foul language. They tell me that when I talk about God as something real, people should understand, not look away as if I'm crazy. They tell me that I should be winning a war that will make the world free and everyone equal -- not looking at the sad result of sixty years of compromise and lowered expectations. They tell me that I'm just a man. No better than any other. But no worse.
This is all fine, I like the man-out-of-his-time idea behind it all. I just don't like Cap being given this "America: love it or leave it" attitude that so many people have today (which is what I felt Millar did to him).
I always liked the notion that Cap was above all that from the very beginning and not the bullying ignoramus that Millar made him. And the France joke is not from the WWII era hence why I don't like Cap saying it as it makes him sounds like one of the trolls of today.
The specific joke may be modern, but the sentiment isn't. The US armed forces had to publish a book (112 Gripes about the French)to give to the GIs in 1945 to try to defuse the animosity growing between the US soldiers and the French. Gripe #78 lays it right out in the open: "The French didn't put up a real fight against the Germans. They just let the Heinies walk in."
I would hope not as I didn't really care for the neocon personality that Millar gave the Ultimate Cap.But it really wasn't a Neo-Con personality. It's pretty much in line with an American attitude right off the war and running through until massive disillusionment of the 1960s. Cap's a man out of his time by 21st century standards but not of his own time's standards. He has an excuse to be like that.
And his attitudes played an excellent foil to those of Iron Man, Thor, and the Wasp. Their interplay as we learned more about the characters was pretty good and, at least through Ultimates 2 (Ultimates 3 was a terrible disappointment), showed that Cap was growing as a person and pretty much right in the direction that would take him to the more modern views of the main Captain America line. At least I thought so.
+1.
Face it, it WAS damn funny. If only, because people don't expect Cap to talk that way due to how PC the 616-version can be at times. (Don't get me wrong, he's still my favorite Marvel character.)
Also, let's face it, rightly deserved or not, the French have that reputation, at least in many military circles. I remember as a kid learning from my dad about his time in the army when he was stationed in Europe. He didn't speak very highly of how the average Frenchman treated US military...but then he chuckled about how they like not having to speak German. Almost every military or ex-military person from his (and even later) generations I've met has made a joke at the expense of French military prowess.
This is all fine, I like the man-out-of-his-time idea behind it all. I just don't like Cap being given this "America: love it or leave it" attitude that so many people have today (which is what I felt Millar did to him).This line from Ultimates Annual is how I see Ultimates Cap after all:
Captain America: No. It's just means that my head and my heart tell me it's 1945. They tell me that when I switch on the radio, it should take a minute to warm up and music should come out, not noise and foul language. They tell me that when I talk about God as something real, people should understand, not look away as if I'm crazy. They tell me that I should be winning a war that will make the world free and everyone equal -- not looking at the sad result of sixty years of compromise and lowered expectations. They tell me that I'm just a man. No better than any other. But no worse.
Well given the choice between "love it or leave" or the lie of "American Imperialism" and general anti-American sentiment, I'll side with the US of A.
I would hope not as I didn't really care for the neocon personality that Millar gave the Ultimate Cap.But it really wasn't a Neo-Con personality. It's pretty much in line with an American attitude right off the war and running through until massive disillusionment of the 1960s. Cap's a man out of his time by 21st century standards but not of his own time's standards. He has an excuse to be like that.
And his attitudes played an excellent foil to those of Iron Man, Thor, and the Wasp. Their interplay as we learned more about the characters was pretty good and, at least through Ultimates 2 (Ultimates 3 was a terrible disappointment), showed that Cap was growing as a person and pretty much right in the direction that would take him to the more modern views of the main Captain America line. At least I thought so.
This line from Ultimates Annual is how I see Ultimates Cap after all:
Captain America: No. It's just means that my head and my heart tell me it's 1945. They tell me that when I switch on the radio, it should take a minute to warm up and music should come out, not noise and foul language. They tell me that when I talk about God as something real, people should understand, not look away as if I'm crazy. They tell me that I should be winning a war that will make the world free and everyone equal -- not looking at the sad result of sixty years of compromise and lowered expectations. They tell me that I'm just a man. No better than any other. But no worse.Which is funny since there's a lot of that in how I feel at times.
And this quote as well from 616-Cap
Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world...
Both of these quotes exemplify why I love Captain America.
And yeah, I relate to the first quote quite a bit as well...
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This is all fine, I like the man-out-of-his-time idea behind it all. I just don't like Cap being given this "America: love it or leave it" attitude that so many people have today (which is what I felt Millar did to him).This line from Ultimates Annual is how I see Ultimates Cap after all:
Captain America: No. It's just means that my head and my heart tell me it's 1945. They tell me that when I switch on the radio, it should take a minute to warm up and music should come out, not noise and foul language. They tell me that when I talk about God as something real, people should understand, not look away as if I'm crazy. They tell me that I should be winning a war that will make the world free and everyone equal -- not looking at the sad result of sixty years of compromise and lowered expectations. They tell me that I'm just a man. No better than any other. But no worse.Well given the choice between "love it or leave" or the lie of "American Imperialism" and general anti-American sentiment, I'll side with the US of A.
I don't even know where you're connecting the dots there.
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+1.
Face it, it WAS damn funny. If only, because people don't expect Cap to talk that way due to how PC the 616-version can be at times. (Don't get me wrong, he's still my favorite Marvel character.)
Also, let's face it, rightly deserved or not, the French have that reputation, at least in many military circles. I remember as a kid learning from my dad about his time in the army when he was stationed in Europe. He didn't speak very highly of how the average Frenchman treated US military...but then he chuckled about how they like not having to speak German. Almost every military or ex-military person from his (and even later) generations I've met has made a joke at the expense of French military prowess.
Nope, still don't like it, not from Cap.
I've always found it funny that the cowardly tag has been applied to the French considering the Poles, the Swedes, the Scots and a whole ton of other cultures could fall under the same blanket term.
HOW can Neil McDonough be IN this film and NOT be Captain America?
Has the world gone mad?
Nope, still don't like it, not from Cap.I've always found it funny that the cowardly tag has been applied to the French considering the Poles, the Swedes, the Scots and a whole ton of other cultures could fall under the same blanket term.
Let's see... the Poles fought the Germans longer than anyone and suffered terribly for it. The Swedes spend a lot on defense to actively defend their neutrality. The Scots still do a lot of fighting for Britain.
Nope. Not seeing it.
HOW can Neil McDonough be IN this film and NOT be Captain America?
Has the world gone mad?
He's probaly playing Hauptmann Deutschland
A lot of the opinion of the French from both then and now comes from the belief that they let the Germans walk in. To some extent, politically, that is true.
The French government intended to keep fighting, but a faction within the government gained power and voted for armistice. The Vichy governemnt that came to power was suppose to be "neutral," but actively sided with Germany.
During this time, the French Resistance effectively waged a civil war against the Vichy.
While the French military was ill though of by American soldiers in WWII, the resistance was not. American G.I.s could relate to them.They were regular citizens fighting for their country. They hadn't given up.
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The French government intended to keep fighting, but a faction within the government gained power and voted for armistice. The Vichy governemnt that came to power was suppose to be "neutral," but actively sided with Germany.
We had our own appeaseniks, who wanted to either stand aside and let it happen, or actively side with the Axis and 'let Germany have Europe and Africa' and 'let Japan have Asia' while we 'took North and South America.' The 'Business Plot' went nowhere, however, and in the congressional hearings about it after they were ratted out by the general they sought to spearhead it, everyone involved vehemently denied everything.
The appeaseniks in Congress still insisted that America should stay out of WW2 until Pearl Harbor finally gave FDR the political cover he needed to overrule them.
My grandmother used to tell us about huddling around a radio that one of their neighnors owned with her sisters, all listening as the ranks of resistance fighters were stated, along with numbers. Since, officially, there was no resistance, the announcer would just list a rank and a number, and that number was how many fighters of that rank had been confirmed to have died that day. Based on their knowledge of their father's rank in the resistance, and the number of men of that rank who had died that day, they attempted to guess how likely it was that their father had died that day. (He survived, happy ending, for one family, anyway.)
Grandma got her kids the hell out of France in the decade after, because of how many people were getting tagged as collaborators and shot. It was turning into a spectacle, and people were fingering people they didn't like as collaborators, just to get them hauled off (so that they could seize their property, in some cases, like a modern-day witch trial). It was a nasty time to be in France, as anyone who survived the occupation, particularly anyone who seemed to have weathered it without an 'appropriate' amount of deaths in their family or whatever, was automatically suspected of having 'kept their heads down' and been a de facto collaborator by the angry mobs (and never mind that, logically, that would have included them as well, because there wasn't much logic to it...).
For a country that has fought 160-something wars in it's history (and won the lion's share of them) and has the third best equipped and trained military on the planet (by rankings produced by the US military), France gets bagged on a lot for having been steamrollered by it's neighbor while it was still recovering from the five and a half *million* men it lost in the previous World War.
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Nope, still don't like it, not from Cap.I've always found it funny that the cowardly tag has been applied to the French considering the Poles, the Swedes, the Scots and a whole ton of other cultures could fall under the same blanket term.
Let's see... the Poles fought the Germans longer than anyone and suffered terribly for it. The Swedes spend a lot on defense to actively defend their neutrality. The Scots still do a lot of fighting for Britain.
Nope. Not seeing it.
Look harder, I'm not talking just WWII, those countries have lost many wars over the centuries yet they don't get the coward label.
Look harder, I'm not talking just WWII, those countries have lost many wars over the centuries yet they don't get the coward label.
For the most part, none of that was ever considered relevant. It's hard to ding the Poles for being Europe's doormat when they're fighting so hard and valiantly against the Germans wherever they can (including taking Monte Cassino). Similarly, it's hard to respect the French contribution to the American Revolution or their prowess in the Napoleonic wars when they fell apart so fast against the German blitzkrieg. That just heightens the derision because the contrast between the contemporary and the historical is so stark.
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For the most part, none of that was ever considered relevant. It's hard to ding the Poles for being Europe's doormat when they're fighting so hard and valiantly against the Germans wherever they can (including taking Monte Cassino).
The Poles are actually another group that get derided, possibly for their 'retreat to secure the Romanian bridgehead' followed by 'retreat again to neutral Romania!' tactics, due to the surprise involvement of the Russians on Sept 17, '39. They lost their country even faster than the French, through no fault of their own, since they couldn't have really anticipated (or weathered) the Russian second front (just as the French took it from both sides Italy opened up a second front for them in Jun 10, '40).
It's pretty shocking how fast a lot of countries fell. Holland resisted, and dropped within days. Belgium promised to stay out of it, and got dropped anyway.
And my Italian friend reminds me that the French aren't the only ones who get snark, having grown up hearing the 'Italy is the only country that has tanks with three speeds in reverse' joke because of how fast Italy dropped out (relatively speaking).
When I was young, a few decades back, I remember 'dumb pollock' jokes that made it seem like it was somehow Poland's fault for getting conquered making the rounds, in a weird sort of 'blame the victim' mentality.
'Germany couldn't help it, your honor, look at how Poland was dressed! She was totally asking for it!'
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When I was young, a few decades back, I remember 'dumb pollock' jokes that made it seem like it was somehow Poland's fault for getting conquered making the rounds, in a weird sort of 'blame the victim' mentality.
'Germany couldn't help it, your honor, look at how Poland was dressed! She was totally asking for it!'
I know historically Poland served as a 'test bed' for the Tsars in 'lets see what happens if people get more freedoms'. Inevitably (roughly every 30 years) the Poles would rise up, and get smacked down.
And let's not forget that the Poles held off the Nazi's longer than the French :-)
other jokes I've heard:
Q: If Poland was invaded by Germany and Russia again, who would they shoot first?
A: The Germans. Business always before pleasure.
Q: What is the unofficial motto of NATO?
A: Thank God the Italians aren't on our flank.
Q: How did the Italians recover from the costs of WW II?
A: Used gun sale! Never been fired, dropped only once!
Story:
PanzerGanz: And here we had the Hungarians, and here the Romanians. Between them the Italians, to keep the two groups from fighting each other-
Me: Oh God, let me guess-
PanzerGanz: Yes! The Russians attacked right here, smashing the Italians as the weak point in the line.
He also had a picture he'd drawn of a WW-I era tank rolling over trenches, with a couple Germans lobbing grenades at it. If you looked closely he'd put a little red smear on the treads. When asked, he explained "That was from the last German who stood up to throw a grenade at the tank."
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Just personal preference here, but I much prefer Ed Brubaker's real Captain America reminiscing on the bravery of the French Resistance and his anger at his modern countrymen for ignoring it for the sake of cheap mockery than Mark Millar's "A on my forehead" Cap.
Please please let this movie lean more towards the former.
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Just personal preference here, but I much prefer Ed Brubaker's real Captain America reminiscing on the bravery of the French Resistance and his anger at his modern countrymen for ignoring it for the sake of cheap mockery than Mark Millar's "A on my forehead" Cap.
Please please let this movie lean more towards the former.
Mikaze,
Not to be 'french bashing' but I've read various sources that the various French Resistances often worked against each other. Also that membership in the French resistance soared... after WW II was over. John J Miller wrote on it.
Now I'm not saying the French Resistance was a myth spun from rainbows and unicorn tails, indeed anecdotes abound of individual bravery. Others, however have.
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Q: How did the Italians recover from the costs of WW II?
A: Used gun sale! Never been fired, dropped only once!
That joke's older than dirt, too. In History of Rome, we learned of the Legion motto 'come back with your shield, or on it,' meant to discourage dropping your heavy shield so that you could run away faster. There was a popular (if subversive) Roman poet who had some verse about 'I can always buy another shield when I get home...'
There was also a hilarious speech that teacher read aloud about how the world was in decay, people had forgotten to uphold traditional values, moral standards were slipping, common hoodlums walked the streets, children defied their parents, not like the days when people had respect and community and blah, blah, blah that some Senator read before the Senate back in 300 BC. With the exception of one sentence where the speaker says, 'don't respect the gods anymore' there was nothing in it that didn't sound like the kind of stuff we all heard as kids from the older generation about how the world was going to hell and it was all our fault and it was so much better when they were kids...
There was even a line about *graffiti* being a sign of the world going to pot! Plus ca change, as they say.
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Just personal preference here, but I much prefer Ed Brubaker's real Captain America reminiscing on the bravery of the French Resistance and his anger at his modern countrymen for ignoring it for the sake of cheap mockery than Mark Millar's "A on my forehead" Cap.
Please please let this movie lean more towards the former.
Mikaze,
Not to be 'french bashing' but I've read various sources that the various French Resistances often worked against each other. Also that membership in the French resistance soared... after WW II was over. John J Miller wrote on it.
Now I'm not saying the French Resistance was a myth spun from rainbows and unicorn tails, indeed anecdotes abound of individual bravery. Others, however have.
But the fact remains that there were French citizens who fought tooth and nail for their country after their government rolled over.
My problem is any film about Captain America being influenced more by a writer who explicitly writes for the lulz and has Cap slapping the memories of brave men and women in the face for a cheap laugh rather than being shaped by Cap as he has been written by competent writers that don't soapbox.
IIRC, the Hiroshima thing wasn't Brubaker's. I do remember Brubaker saying that one of the mistakes writers sometimes made about Cap was that when they took over, they felt that he needed "to find America". Brubaker's stance was that America needed to find Cap.
(also, taking more influence from Brubaker could give us Bucky shanking Nazis in the back. I loved the Paladin/Rogue team they were painted as in the first omnibus)
It's pretty shocking how fast a lot of countries fell. Holland resisted, and dropped within days. Belgium promised to stay out of it, and got dropped anyway.
Considering how the Whermacht was run, the real surprise about Holland was how long they lasted. It's not that large a country and no one could have been prepared for the lightning fast war machine Germany had crated.
Americans are also fond of forgetting how much of a hit the Soviets took during World War 2. And relatively how easy we got off of it compared to almost every other country that participated. One out of every three deaths in World War 2 was that of a Soviet citizen.
It's weird. Winner write the history books so that they are put in the best light, but with respect to this war specifically it was written so that the U.S. seems to have won single-handedly.
I understand many people disliking the Ultimates version of Cap, but I liked him. Is he Cap to me? Sorta kinda. He's more a VERY interesting take on him, similar to USAgent.
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I understand many people disliking the Ultimates version of Cap, but I liked him. Is he Cap to me? Sorta kinda. He's more a VERY interesting take on him, similar to USAgent.
I love USAgent. More than Captain America, even, because he feels more 'real' to me. (Heck, I liked most of the West Coast Avengers better than 'the real thing.') But I don't want Captain America turned into USAgent, any more than I want Hal Jordan turned into Guy Gardner or Billy Batson acting like Teth Adam.
There's room for some bad boys and some boy scouts. Plenty of bad-guy butt to kick for both of them.
It's weird. Winner write the history books so that they are put in the best light, but with respect to this war specifically it was written so that the U.S. seems to have won single-handedly.I understand many people disliking the Ultimates version of Cap, but I liked him. Is he Cap to me? Sorta kinda. He's more a VERY interesting take on him, similar to USAgent.
I very much liked the Ultimates version of Cap and thought he was a good portrat of a man so out of his time and coming off the war.
And you're definitely onto something about winners writing history, but they're also become constrained by their own myth-building. War losers have more freedom to reflect on anything about the war - including the things that are bad and dehumanizing. It's one of the reasons German films about WWII like Stalingrad and Das Boat and American Vietnam War films have such raw emotional depth compared to The Longest Day, which is a fun movie, but also relatively shallow.
Saving Private Ryan was a breakthrough in mainstream WWII films from the Allied perspective in that they didn't particularly shelter the image of the American GI that came out of winning the war. The Ultimates Cap fit a similar mold. While the Classic Cap is an amalgamation of our American ideals filtered through peaceful civil society, an idealized symbol to look up to in the 1960s and beyond, the Ultimates Cap was still written as the battlefield leader, a no-nonsense soldier who would fit in ass kicking right next to General Patton's Third Army. The Classic Cap is more Eisenhower and, yes, Ultimates Cap was more Patton.
I wonder who killed more Soviets, the Germans or the Soviets themselves?
Germans.
As much as the NKVD distrusted rescued Soviet POWs and punished shirkers and as much as advancing artillery barrages might catch advancing Red Army soldiers, not much is going to match the destruction of whole Soviet armies under German weapons, nor the lethal mass deprivation that occurred among Soviet POWs under German authority.
Did ultimate cap meet up with an ultimate version of Falcon? Did they team up? I'd like to see that.
Did ultimate cap meet up with an ultimate version of Falcon? Did they team up? I'd like to see that.yes they did
How was it? Details, man, details!!!
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How was it? Details, man, details!!!Did ultimate cap meet up with an ultimate version of Falcon? Did they team up? I'd like to see that.yes they did
Honestly I don't really remember much, I enjoyed reading it (Falcon's a bad ass I remember that) but it was so long ago that I don't remember what issue, why they teamed up etc. I think it was in the ultimate vision. Sorry, while I'm a comics fan I tend to only read graphic novels and don't really follow them that religiously. So when you add that with a year or two off real life drama, details on their team-up are fuzzy at best, all I could say for sure are yes they teamed up, and yes ultimate falcon is a bad-ass.
I guess we won't be seeing any Avengers movies where they team up with the Fantastic Four...
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How was it? Details, man, details!!!Did ultimate cap meet up with an ultimate version of Falcon? Did they team up? I'd like to see that.yes they did
He called the Falcon 'boy' at one point, ignorant of the connotations, but the potential serious talk was sidelined by a *hideously* anvilicious plot in which an Ultimate version of Arnim Zola was kidnapping black people and experimenting on them to make monsters or whatever.
The over-arcing tone of the team-up, which I'm sure the writer thought was terribly clever, was 'See, Cap's a little behind the times, but he's better than a Nazi!'
Woo!
In History of Rome, we learned of the Legion motto 'come back with your shield, or on it,' meant to discourage dropping your heavy shield so that you could run away faster.
Originally attributed as spoken by a Spartan mother to her son going off to war in one of Plutarch's writings, I think. I did not know the Roman Legion used it as well. Always a fun motto! :-)
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In History of Rome, we learned of the Legion motto 'come back with your shield, or on it,' meant to discourage dropping your heavy shield so that you could run away faster.Originally attributed as spoken by a Spartan mother to her son going off to war in one of Plutarch's writings, I think. I did not know the Roman Legion used it as well. Always a fun motto! :-)
This does not surprise me. It wouldn't be the first bit of Roman 'history' I've read that was directly cribbed from the Greeks. :)
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Well looks like Captain America's infamous line won't be in the movie.
Yeah, 4F Steve Rogers, volunteering for an untested potentially lethal experiment, isn't going to be patriotic or gung-ho.
Next, the Red Skull is not evil, just misunderstood.