Blade Binder: Need an update?

[Tom Baumbach]

Do you think blade binding (the special attack) and Blade Binder (the feat) from the Pathfinder CS needs a PFRPG update? Specifically, I'm wondering if it should make use of CMB/CMD (seems like it should).

Blade Binding:

When blade binding, an attacker first catches his opponent’s weapon in the crook of his khopesh. He then twists his khopesh, locking the two blades together, forcing both blades from their guard positions. The attacker then strikes with an off-hand weapon or surprises his opponent with a sudden unarmed attack.
New Attack Option: Bind
As a melee attack, you may attempt to gain control of your opponent’s weapon. Make an opposed attack roll against your opponent, including all appropriate modifiers. If you succeed, you bind your opponent’s weapon.

A bound weapon cannot be used to make attacks, nor does it allow its wielder to threaten any space. A bound weapon can be wrenched free with a successful opposed attack roll, or can be dropped as a free action. If your opponent does not free or drop his weapon he cannot move beyond your reach.

While binding your opponent, you suffer the same limitations, except you may end the bind as a free action. If you attempt to disarm your opponent or sunder the bound weapon, you do not provoke an attack of opportunity, and you get a +4 bonus on the opposed roll and the damage roll of the sunder attempt.

Blade Binder:

Not only are you skilled at binding your opponent’s weapon, you can seize the advantage while he struggles to retrieve his blade.
Prerequisites: Base attack bonus +4, proficiency with khopesh or temple sword.
Benefit: You receive a +2 bonus on opposed attack rolls made to bind an opponent’s weapon, as well as any opposed rolls to maintain the bind. This bonus stacks with the +2 bonus from wielding a khopesh or temple sword. If you succeed in blade binding your opponent, your opponent becomes flat-footed until he either wrestles his blade free or drops his weapon.
Special: A fighter may gain Blade Binder as his fighter bonus feat. A monk may select Blade Binder as his 6th-level monk bonus feat.

[Joey Virtue]

Yeah this should be done with CMB and CMD

[Tom Baumbach]

Very well:

Blade Binding:

New Attack Option: Bind
You can attempt to bind an opponent's weapon as a melee attack with a khopesh or temple sword. If you are not proficient with a khopesh or temple sword, attempting to bind a opponents's weapon provokes an attack of opportunity from the target of your maneuver. The target's CMD is modified by any weapon-related abilities it might possess, such as Weapon Focus.

If your attack is successful, your opponent's weapon is bound. A bound weapon cannot be used to make attacks, nor does it allow its wielder to threaten any space. A bound weapon can be wrenched free with a successful CMB check (DC = your CMD), or can be dropped as a free action. If your opponent does not free or drop his weapon he cannot move beyond your reach.

While binding your opponent, you suffer the same limitations, except you may end the bind as a free action. If you attempt to disarm your opponent or sunder the bound weapon, you do not provoke an attack of opportunity, and you get a +4 bonus on such checks.

Blade Binder:

Not only are you skilled at binding your opponent’s weapon, you can seize the advantage while he struggles to retrieve his blade.
Prerequisites: Base attack bonus +4, proficiency with khopesh or temple sword.
Benefit: You receive a +2 bonus to CMB when attempting to bind an opponent’s weapon, as well as a +2 bonus to your CMD when opponents are attempting to break your bind. This bonus stacks with the +2 bonus from wielding a khopesh or temple sword. If you succeed in blade binding your opponent, your opponent becomes flat-footed until he either wrestles his blade free or drops his weapon.
Special: A fighter may gain Blade Binder as his fighter bonus feat. A monk may select Blade Binder as a bonus feat at 6th level.

[Thanael]

Is there an official update for the Blade Binding option yet?

Shouldn't the Bind maneuver be usable with any weapon?

Maybe the Khopesh and Temple Sword gain a new bind weapon special feature similar to how some weapons gain +2 to disarm or trip. Possible other weapons that could get the bind feature: Sai, Dagger, Swordbreaker, Maingauche (aka Parrying dagger).

Check out some comments abotu binding with the Longsword here
http://www.thearma.org/essays/Longsword_Differs_From_Modern_Fencing.html
http://www.thearma.org/essays/Longsword_Centrality_in_RMA.htm

[DungeonmasterCal]

Tom Baumbach wrote:

Do you think blade binding (the special attack) and Blade Binder (the feat) from the Pathfinder CS needs a PFRPG update? Specifically, I'm wondering if it should make use of CMB/CMD (seems like it should).

Funny, I was thinking about this just the other day. I like your re-working of the two.

[W. Kristoph Nolen]

DungeonmasterCal wrote:

Funny, I was thinking about this just the other day. I like your re-working of the two.

Interestingly, I was just talking with Hyrum about this feat just this weekend at Comicpalooza here in Houston.

I was mostly asking why some feats just didn't get approved for PFS play, and why some items and feats don't get an update (like the phenomenal 2-handed Osirion Khopesh), but, now that I really take a look at the feat, it really does need a little reworking to make it streamlined with the PFRPG. Odd thing that the early PRCs were reworked early on so tha tthey would be compatible, but, this feat never was. Both odd, and a bummer. I sure would like to use it in PFS.