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After episode 4, episode 5 wasn't quite so high on the scare factor for me, but that could just be because I was watching a video recording rather than the live broadcast.
I think these two suffered from being aired a week apart. The Time of Angels did a very good job building the drama all the way to the cliffhanger, but a week later, Flesh and Stone really had to start over from square one, and it didn't get where it needed to be quickly enough.
If you haven't seen these two episodes yet, I'd strongly suggest waiting until you can see them back-to-back.
I myself am finding the storylines and writting alot wreaker overall so far. I do like matt but am finding the show a wreaker then it has been.
Did anyone else notice at the end of the last (5th episode):
Amy's wedding date is the air date of for the final episode of the season. Seems obvious when you think about it, but I liked the detail.
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I have a crazy theory about River Song that I don't actually believe...
It would explain a bunch of things, and fits in well with the way things work.
"Our" diary?
Knows how to write Old High Gallifreyan?
Knows about Time Lord anatomy and regeneration?
Can send the Doctor a message with his psychic paper?
Taught to pilot the TARDIS by the best—but "you" weren't there?
Knows the Doctor's name—though he can't tell it to just anyone?
Sacrifices herself to save him—because the other way around creates a paradox—and begs him not to change anything?
In the entire history of the series, practically nobody *ever* meets anybody "out of order"—but when the Doctor meets himself, it's always out of order, by definition.
We know from "Time Crash" that Steven Moffat supports the notion that previous incarnations don't automatically recognize future incarnations, but future Doctors obviously recognize past incarnations.
And incarnations do have nicknames for one another: Fancy Pants, Scarecrow... so... Sweetie?
What if her killing a man is more figurative than literal? Or perhaps, a regeneration in a circumstance that looked like a man being replaced by a woman?
In The Time of Angels, River Song didn't yet know she was going to be a professor, but in Flesh and Stone, Father Octavian referred to her as "Doctor River Song".
If she is the Doctor—probably the 12th Doctor—then perhaps they can use her resurrection from the memory banks in the library to get around the "12 regenerations" rule, which is something I'm pretty sure Steven Moffat will want to do before he leaves...
I have a crazy theory about River Song that I don't actually believe...
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Interesting theory Vic...
on another subject
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I have a crazy theory about River Song that I don't actually believe...
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Well, Sally Sparrow may not have actually MET the Doctor until the end of Blink, but it became obvious that when she did meet him, the rest of that adventure had not yet happened for him.
I think that the reason that he hasn't met more poeple "out of order" is more to do with the fact that most writers (classic Who and nuWho) have treated the time-travel aspect of the show as simple a way to get from point A to point B. Moffatt is one of the few writers who looks at time travel in a more abstract manner, which I consider a good thing.
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I have a crazy theory about River Song that I don't actually believe...
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Good theory Vic...
There was too much emphasis placed on the fact that if the Dr knew who/how/why she killed he would not work with her, or help her at all. It was implied that it was *that* she killed that would stop him, but he proved that assertion wrong in episode 5. Perhaps we'll find out when we see her again in the series, but I doubt it... ;)
I'm also one of those people who thinks the 13 regen rule was a law, not a LAW. With the Time Lords no longer around to enforce it, I think he'll be fine ad infinitum...
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I really doubt they will kill the Doctor off after the 13th Doctor. However, I'd prefer they give a decent explaination as for why he's able to continue, not just a handwaving of "The Time Lords aren't here to enforce it".
It's pretty firmly established that Time Lords CAN exceed 13, as shown by the Master (although he possessed other bodies until nuWho, dunno how he would up back in a TIme Lord body) and Rassilon returning.
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dunno how he would up back in a TIme Lord body
Rassilion brought him back, presumably in a Time Lord body, the watch style chameleon device made him human, then returned him to Time Lord, as it did with the Dr....
That device in itself could be a bypass, does it reset the count when it returns you to time Lord-yness???
I really doubt they will kill the Doctor off after the 13th Doctor. However, I'd prefer they give a decent explaination as for why he's able to continue, not just a handwaving of "The Time Lords aren't here to enforce it".
It's pretty firmly established that Time Lords CAN exceed 13, as shown by the Master (although he possessed other bodies until nuWho, dunno how he would up back in a TIme Lord body) and Rassilon returning.
I don't remember the name of the episode, but during the 4th Dr's tenure (Peter Davison) he was exposed to something called "Numismaton Gas" on an alien world. It had very unique healing properties. The Master used this gas to not only heal himself from being artifically shrunk by his own Tissue Compression Eliminator (remember that nifty weapon), but to give himself a full new cycle of 12 regenerations. Since the Doctor was exposed to the gas as well...
Also, they have suggested that there is something called "perpetual regeneration", allowing a Time Lord to keep regenerationg without end.
These both would be plausible methods of keeping the Doctor around.
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Re: Vic's crazy theory
Maybe I'm biased, because I like the character/actress and would love to see more. (I'd also love to see a Pertwee or a Troughton make a cameo. And Ace damnit!)
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I have a crazy theory about River Song that I don't actually believe...
Spoiler:What if River Song is a future incarnation of the Doctor?It would explain a bunch of things, and fits in well with the way things work.
"Our" diary?
Knows how to write Old High Gallifreyan?
Knows about Time Lord anatomy and regeneration?
Can send the Doctor a message with his psychic paper?
Taught to pilot the TARDIS by the best—but "you" weren't there?
Knows the Doctor's name—though he can't tell it to just anyone?
Sacrifices herself to save him—because the other way around creates a paradox—and begs him not to change anything?
In the entire history of the series, practically nobody *ever* meets anybody "out of order"—but when the Doctor meets himself, it's always out of order, by definition.
We know from "Time Crash" that Steven Moffat supports the notion that previous incarnations don't automatically recognize future incarnations, but future Doctors obviously recognize past incarnations.
And incarnations do have nicknames for one another: Fancy Pants, Scarecrow... so... Sweetie?
What if her killing a man is more figurative than literal? Or perhaps, a regeneration in a circumstance that looked like a man being replaced by a woman?
In The Time of Angels, River Song didn't yet know she was going to be a professor, but in Flesh and Stone, Father Octavian referred to her as "Doctor River Song".
If she is the Doctor—probably the 12th Doctor—then perhaps they can use her resurrection from the memory banks in the library to get around the "12 regenerations" rule, which is something I'm pretty sure Steven Moffat will want to do before he leaves...
That's actually a well reasoned theory and I like where you're going with it.
The only real point against it that I can see is the fact that male/female seem to be clear cut in Time Lord society. Other than in Curse of Fatal Death, which was clearly sending up the Regeneration sequence, when Joanna Lumley became The Doctor nothing has ever been even mention regarding a gender rassignment during Regeneration.
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(By the way, I only spoilered my speculation because some of the points I mentioned come from episodes that haven't yet aired outside of the UK...)
What if she's Romana? No one's really touched that subject yet. The Fourth Doctor and Romana did have a relationship...
Most of the time, Time Lords are able to recognize other Time Lords who have regenerated. There have been a couple of exceptions to this, but I think it's generally assumed that they do.
Some things we know about Steven Moffat and the evolution of his plans for River Song:
When he wrote Silence in the Library, he had a problem where the archaeologist were going to enter the library and find the Doctor there, and he didn't want to have to go through the whole "who are you and why should I trust you" rigamarole—he just wanted the team to trust the Doctor so he could move on. So he figured the fastest way to do that would be to make it so the team leader already knew the Doctor. Then, to make that a bit more interesting, he decided that it would be fun if that person knew the Doctor, but the Doctor didn't know that person—yet. Thus was River Song's story started. At that time he was working on that script—which was shortly before he was offered the job of show runner—he didn't actually think that he'd have an opportunity to explore her background further, so he never bothered to come up with the actual story.
One he got the job, though, he realized that there was an opportunity there, and he says he's committed to playing it out in full, on screen—but he's in a position where he has to match up the story to what he already established in that episode.
The point of all of this being that you can't apply "well, if 'X' were true, he probably wouldn't have done 'Y' in Silence in the Library."
Well I certainly want to see more of River..I'm a big Alex Kingston fan going all the way back to 'Moll Flanders'
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100 Reasons Amy Pond is a Better Companion than Rose Tyler
1. She's ginger.
2. Those legs.
3. Those eyes.
4. Those skirts.
5. The accent.
6. The natural complexion.
7. She's randy.
8. She's flirty.
9. She doesn't have a weird mouth.
10. Her family are all dead or absent, rather than clogging up the screen with their annoying presence.
11. She was a cool kid.
12. She's been played by not one, but two actresses that can actually act.
13. She prays to Santa.
14. She got her friend to dress up as the doc making her ...
15. ... a bit pervy ... or ...
16. ... really sweet, ahh!
17. Or both? Which would be cool.
18. She owns a sexy police outfit.
19. She owns a sexy nurse outfit.
20. She owns a sexy nun outfit.
21. She's a kiss-o-gram, which is a far cooler job than working in a shop.
22. She's marrying the big-nosed friend, not the good looking one.
23. She bites psychiatrists.
24. Her mum puts faces into apples. Rose's mum left her home alone with f+@! and a 6-pack ... probably.
25. She ain't scared of being on her own even as a kid.
26. She owns handcuffs.
27. Her boyfriend actually helped to save the world when we first meet him, as opposed to being eaten by a bin and cowering in the corner.
28. She paints pictures and makes little dolls of the doctor. Rose ain't artistic.
29. She wields a mean cricket bat ... and once scored a half century for Kent ... probably.
30. She don't turn her back on no naked man!
31. She spent half of episode 2 in a wet nightie.
32. She manages to be both sexy and scary at the same time.
33. She doesn't mope over the doctor.
34. She tried to have a one-nighter with him.
35. She needs sorting ... ahem.
36. She didn't get jealous when she thought the doctor and river were married. She found it funny.
37. She called the doctor Mr Grumpy face.
38. She fell over a branch in the forest whilst wearing a short skirt. Just like the companions of lore.
39. She wears Converse.
40. She saved the day in eps 2 + 3.
41. "Do you know what that means?" AMY: "That it's been a while?"
42. She doesn't know the meaning of the phrase 'Functional attire'.
43. She doesn't keep banging on about chips.
44. She (Amelia) is named for a aviation pioneer. Rose is named after a child killer.
45. She doesn't goggle-eye the doctor whilst ignoring her poor - yet deeply irritating - boyfriend. She merely wants to cheat on her fiance the night before their wedding. Any one who thinks that's wrong is a woman-hating commie.
46. She kept her accent.
47. She didn't leave the doctor to become a high class prostitute on an inferior channel.
48. She's never released an irritatingly catchy pop song.
49. She never dated anyone from a boy band.
50. She doesn't get embarassed when people talk about her crack.
51. She hasn't tried to get the doctor to go back in time to see her dead parents and then saved them and thus bringing the universe to disaster. Possibly because her parents aren't dead. I dunno.
52. They wrote that scene of her having an angel in her eye because she's 'the angel in our nations eye'.
53. In an unseen episode she distracted the russian linesman for the third goal. Even though she's Scottish. So selfless.
54. She doesn't plaster make up all over her face. Probably because she's actually pretty.
55. That wide eyed stare.
56. Rose once kicked a puppy. I was there. I saw it.
57. As a Scot, she would never vote Tory. Rose votes BNP.
58. Out of character, she's funny and flirty. Billie Piper in real life is posh and boring.
59. She was in the Kevin Bishop show, thus finally giving people a reason to watch it and justifying its existence.
60. Said appearances also qualified her for Humanitarian of the Year and a Nobel prize.
61. She ain't from no estate.
62. Rose had to be exposed to the time vortex to become a goddess. Amy was born one.
63. Amy taught Chuck Norris everything he knows.
64. Rose Piper is a name that sounds like someone who performs sexual acts on flowers.
65. Amelia Pond sounds like a name from a fairytale.
66. Rose has the number 666 on her scalp.
67. Amy fights Vampires. Rose fought a werewolf. Vampires are better than werewolves. (Except Twilight or American werewolf in London)
68. Rose only cared about a bet with the doctor when poor innocent British subjects were being mauled by a werewolf.
69. Have you ever seen Rose and Osama Bin Laden together? Coincidence?
70. Amy told the doctor to leave her behind when she thought she was becoming stone.
71. If Amy became stone, she'd be the most beautiful statue ever. If Michaelangelo saw it he'd rip out his eyes in shame.
72. Amy lives in a house. So did Mother Theresa. Coincidence?
73. Amy has a friend who looks at porn on the net and she's cool with that.
74. Mikey didn't look at porn because Rose wasn't cool with that. Frigid b!#&#.
75. When the doctor failed miserably by letting the daleks escape, Amy made him feel better by suggesting saving the earth was worthwhile.
76. Rose's mum once risked the monarchy by having an affair with King Ralph.
77. She was also a hooker in the early 80's, helping that bent copper Gene who murdered Sam causing him to be regenerated into the Master and almost destroying the world!
78. Rose had a crush on a boy who once fainted in front of her.
79. Amy likes real men.
80. Amy will make Rory a real man on their wedding night.
81. Where was Rose when the Angels appeared? Nowhere!
82. Amy has helped the prime minister and the queen. Despite being scottish. So patriotic for a people who have abused her own.
83. The little shakey thing Amy does with her head. Like she's having a mini stroke.
84. Amy kisses boys for money, proving she's a femenist icon.
85. Rose kisses boys for love, proving she's a slut.
86. Billie Piper married a fox. Congress with animals is a sin.
87. Tall chicks are sexier than short chicks.
88. In the bible, how did the devil get back to earth. He 'rose'! Just saying.
89. One day, whilst yawning, Rose blocked out the sun, thus giving Tim Kring the idea for Heroes. (God I used to love that show ... oh well).
90. Amy = Scottish. Television was invented by a scot. Ergo, Amy is responsible for Doctor Who even existing.
91. Looking at Amy's beautiful face stops me going out killing again.
92. I only started that because of Rose.
93. When the doctor ate fish fingers and custard, Amy didn't stab him in the face with a fork. No, she understood and tolerated his strange ways.
94. Amy is better because she has the same hair colour as Scully.
95. Rose has the same hair colour as a porn star. One of the ugly ones.
96. Amy saved the star whale, which unlike real whales, was all cute and that.
97. After living on the TARDIS with Rose, the doctor had to go on a course of antibiotics and drink lots of orange juice.
98. Imagine if the button for saving the world was high up. Which of them would reach?
99. Amy sprung from the mind of Steven Moffat. Rose came from Russell T Davies. By definition, Amy is superior.
100. Rose is Billie Piper with a mockney accent. Think about it.
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100 Reasons Amy Pond is a Better Companion than Rose TylerMan. And we're only five episodes in.
+1 bajillon!!!
I think I'm one of the few who wasn't keen on Rose. She's down there at the bottom with Sarah Jane for me. Now Martha I loved and Amy I love and Lady Christina I loved (I still say she should be classed as a Companion). And of course Captain Jack I !
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(By the way, I only spoilered my speculation because some of the points I mentioned come from episodes that haven't yet aired outside of the UK...)
What if she's Romana? No one's really touched that subject yet. The Fourth Doctor and Romana did have a relationship...Most of the time, Time Lords are able to recognize other Time Lords who have regenerated. There have been a couple of exceptions to this, but I think it's generally assumed that they do.
She might be using some sort of FOB watch or Chamelion Arch...
Kinda stretching, I know, but its a possibility.
I liked Rose, up until all the bloody romance started. Martha was hit and miss for me, but Donna...oh Donna...She was the BEST for number ten.
Amy hasn't grown on me yet, but I liked episodes 2 & 3 and hopefully 4 on up will be great!
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And given the slaughter of almost your entire family, he could make the case that he was trying to save his granddaughter Susan and a rapid exit from Galifrey was the only means to acheive that.
Where exactly are you getting this? The circumstances of why the Doctor initially fled Galifrey have never been made clear in any official work. And as far as we know, the rest of the Doctor's family was still alive until the Time War.
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(remember Ten thinks of the incarnations as different people and regeneration as death)
Except in the Christmas Invasion, where he spends a large amount of the time that he is conscious explaining to Rose that he's still the same man.
Let's all just face it, Ten's overly dramatic departure wasn't about the Doctor undergoing yet another regeneration, or even David Tennant's leaving the show. It was about RTD's departure.
Now that was a villain in episode 7. :)
Yes! I'm only disappointed that:
For those who have not read it, immediately read the Dalek Empire webcomic. A Black Dalek rebels against the Emperor in an insanely long but also extremely funny comic strip. Lots of references to STAR WARS, BLACKADDER, HITCH-HIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY and more. Barking mad and very entertaining.
Episode 8 is the first of a two-parter, BTW. Sorry if that's a spoiler!
Not only a two-parter:
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I think the minimum requirement is a Companion needs to actually be invited on at least one trip in the TARDIS.
If that's one of your requirements, Liz Shaw wasn't a companion.
Personally, I think it's awfully difficult to come up with a list of requirements that actually explains the commonly accepted list of companions. What's a rule that allows you to count Liz Shaw without also counting, say, Sgt. Benton? (Personally, I solve this by counting Liz as an "assistant.") Others with "do they really count" issues are Sara Kingdom, Kamelion, Mickey Smith, Wilfred Mott, and, of course, the Cyberman that went deep into the TARDIS during "Earthshock" but never came back out...
For those who have not read it, immediately read the Dalek Empire webcomic. A Black Dalek rebels against the Emperor in an insanely long but also extremely funny comic strip. Lots of references to STAR WARS, BLACKADDER, HITCH-HIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY and more. Barking mad and very entertaining.
Really good! Thanks!
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I do have to admit there were points in the two part angels episode where I thought...
Ok, not really, but damn, he's definately diverse. Though I wonder how the angels could move when Amy was walking with her eyes closed.