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Daeglin wrote:
taig wrote:
As for Paizo PDFs, have you tried Good Reader? It's on sale for 0.99 right now, and it's well worth it.

Goodreader should be offering you commissions. :)

I bought it at your recommendation couple of months ago for the iPhone, and I was glad to see them get on board the iPad so early.

I hadn't thought of that. :)

I'm glad you like it. It's the best one I've found, so I have no problem recommending it.


"No, iPad, it's not me. It's you." ® A fanboi laments falling out of love with the iPad.

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Daeglin wrote:
Andrew Turner wrote:
taig wrote:
As for Paizo PDFs, have you tried Good Reader? It's on sale for 0.99 right now, and it's well worth it.
Wow--thanks for the tip! 99¢ is a steal! Goodreader is absolutely awesome; precisely what I was looking for. Paizo PDFs look great, load fast, and pages transition smoothly. Wonderful!
Dropbox/Goodreader/Paizo stuff is a great combination!

Okay, very stupid question from someone who barely has the competence to turn on his desktop computer - how the heck to I download Paizo pdfs and make them available for access by goodreader? I have an iPhone download program, and had been using that to read pdfs on my phone, but when I tried using it on the iPad, it stayed iPhone size.

I've got to say, if I could play Magic the Gathering Online or had a robust DMing tool, the iPad would be a no-brainer for me. As it is, I think it's neat, but I just mooch off my wife's. There's a good chance I'll pony up (har har) when they release the next iteration.


Sebastian wrote:
Okay, very stupid question from someone who barely has the competence to turn on his desktop computer - how the heck to I download Paizo pdfs and make them available for access by goodreader?

According to this post, you get the option at the download prompt.

I do not have a way to try it myself, so I can't give you a better description.

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Disenchanter wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Okay, very stupid question from someone who barely has the competence to turn on his desktop computer - how the heck to I download Paizo pdfs and make them available for access by goodreader?

According to this post, you get the option at the download prompt.

I do not have a way to try it myself, so I can't give you a better description.

Ah. Thanks. Hopefully someone w/first hand experience can chime in as well, but if it's simple as having the ability to dl into goodreader from safari, that sounds simple enough even for me.

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Sebastian wrote:
Okay, very stupid question from someone who barely has the competence to turn on his desktop computer - how the heck to I download Paizo pdfs and make them available for access by goodreader?

There are two ways:

First, get the latest update to GoodReader--it incorporates an auto download feature. This means, when you go to your Downloads section at Paizo, personalize the file you want, then select Download, a new Safari window will pop up with a box that reads, "Open with GoodReader?" When you select Yes, it auto downloads the file, and the GoodReader app opens--it's very fast, and you should be looking at the PDF in no time flat.

Second, if you can't or don't want to update the app, then simply copy the url to the PDF you want (hold your finger on the Download Now link after you Personalize; then copy), open GoodReader, and look on the righthand side, toward the bottom--you'll see a section titled URL--and paste the url in the address window that pops up. The download will begin automatically.

Also, you know you can make folders with GoodReader, rename your files, and otherwise organize your docs in the app.

Another great point: I literally dropped my MacBook Pro down the stairs the other day and she died. After mourning my loss for about ten minutes I jumped online and ordered a new one (this one has a 512 GB SSD!). I'm not at all worried about what will happen to all the files (MS Office docs, PDFs, spreadsheets and slideshows, etc) when I connect my iPad to the new laptop. If you need to do this, don't worry when you see the warning, "You can only be synched with one iTunes library--do you want to synch to this library? Synching will erase all the data on this device and replace it..." blah-blah. The iPad will indeed erase, but it backs-up first, and when it reboots and rewrites, all your transferred files, including the GoodReader files and all your organization, are replaced.

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taig wrote:


Dropbox/Goodreader/Paizo stuff is a great combination!
With the latest version of iTunes, you won't even need Dropbox. You'll be able to give Goodreader access to the device, and you can copy directly from your PC.

Really? That sounds great! Could I trouble you to explain how to do this?

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Thanks Andrew. That's very helpful.

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Disenchanter wrote:
"No, iPad, it's not me. It's you." ® A fanboi laments falling out of love with the iPad.

I've found the opposite to be true. In the last month my laptop was simply the satellite for my desktop, and the iPad took over as my primary mobile platform. It's one in the morning and I'm lying in bed typing this post right now; and I just finished watching the last three episodes of Supernatural. Earlier today I wrote for about five hours (using the keyboard dock), and throughout the day I've carried it around the house as I roamed from the fridge to the washing machine to the toi--- well, you get the point.

If anything, I've caught myself wondering what else I could be doing with this device if I only knew it needed doing.


Avemar wrote:
taig wrote:


Dropbox/Goodreader/Paizo stuff is a great combination!
With the latest version of iTunes, you won't even need Dropbox. You'll be able to give Goodreader access to the device, and you can copy directly from your PC.

Really? That sounds great! Could I trouble you to explain how to do this?

I've had my iPad for about 3 hours now. When the iPad is mounted under "Devices" in iTunes, there is a file management option under the Apps tab, if I recall correctly. It shows up as "Other Files" only if you have apps installed on the iPad that import/export documents, such as Goodreader, Pages, Keynote, etc. Click Add button lower right corner of that frame, browse through your computer to the document you want, select and syncs right onto the iPad. Works well, its fast. But have to have iPad connected at the time in order to do it. I suspect I'm going to contnue to use Dropbox as my main conduit simply because I can move the files around at any time.

Edit: My first impression after 3 hours of use: I like this thing. I'm really impressed with the battery - 3 hours straight use from a full charge, viewing some video, playing music, trying a couple of games, basically running through all the features at some point, and battery only down by 6%. Wow.


Sebastian wrote:

Okay, very stupid question from someone who barely has the competence to turn on his desktop computer - how the heck to I download Paizo pdfs and make them available for access by goodreader? I have an iPhone download program, and had been using that to read pdfs on my phone, but when I tried using it on the iPad, it stayed iPhone size.

I've got to say, if I could play Magic the Gathering Online or had a robust DMing tool, the iPad would be a no-brainer for me. As it is, I think it's neat, but I just mooch off my wife's. There's a good chance I'll pony up (har har) when they release the next iteration.

Something to be aware of is there are two Goodreader apps, one for iPhone, one for iPad. The iPhone version will run on the iPad as well but will remain iPhone size. You'd want the GoodReader for iPad for best viewing results.

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So, I'm in the market for a hand-held something-or-other to bridge the gap between my Mac desktop computer and my iPod; principally, I'm looking for something to carry a couple dozen book-length pdf files. Option 1: an iPad. Option 2: a PC netbook.

The netbooks cost around 300 - 370 dollars. It comes with a keyboard, Acrobat Reader, Word Excel, PowerPoint; and can play Flash.

Sell me on why I should pay an extra 300 dollars for an iPad.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

So, I'm in the market for a hand-held something-or-other to bridge the gap between my Mac desktop computer and my iPod; principally, I'm looking for something to carry a couple dozen book-length pdf files. Option 1: an iPad. Option 2: a PC netbook.

The netbooks cost around 300 - 370 dollars. It comes with a keyboard, Acrobat Reader, Word Excel, PowerPoint; and can play Flash.

Sell me on why I should pay an extra 300 dollars for an iPad.

We should wait for Disenchanter to log in and tell you why you shouldn't buy one. It'll save time when I refute his points...

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Well, I have both an iPad and a HP Mini. I haven't used my Mini since I got the iPad, except for playing video files on my 42" Sharp television that my PS3 will not.

The main reason is that the Mini is not as comfortable to carry or type on. Specifically to the Mini, the mouse buttons are on either side of the touchpad, which is annoying. Both the iPad and the Mini have unusual keyboard layouts, making them more troubling to type on. I prefer the iPad for the tactile response I get from the virtual keyboard and how it is less cramped.

The lack of Flash does get annoying from time to time. Hopefully they'll come up with a work around, to where I don't have to wait until I get home or lug my Macbook around to show people certain things. Not a big deal, but a nuisance.

The lack of Word would be a problem if I were doing a lot of typing on it. But I can't imagine anyone wanting to do more than jot down notes on the iPad. Works wonderfully for gaming session logs. If you regularly write reports on the go, a netbook would be better for you to my knowledge. Unless there is an app for it, since I haven't bothered to look into it.

Just my off the cuff experiences with both items.

Edit: GoodReader is excellent for lightly illustrated PDFs. It chokes on the Pathfinder Core PDF a bit, but is pretty quick and easy. And the 16GB iPad should have enough storage for all your PDFs. I've barely used a tenth of the space on my 32GB version.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

So, I'm in the market for a hand-held something-or-other to bridge the gap between my Mac desktop computer and my iPod; principally, I'm looking for something to carry a couple dozen book-length pdf files. Option 1: an iPad. Option 2: a PC netbook.

The netbooks cost around 300 - 370 dollars. It comes with a keyboard, Acrobat Reader, Word Excel, PowerPoint; and can play Flash.

Sell me on why I should pay an extra 300 dollars for an iPad.

How soon are you planning on making the purchase?

The virtues of the iPad have been mentioned by others - it's light, it's always-on and it's got a terrific user experience. I'm strongly considering getting one in the future, but will be waiting to see (a) what the next model looks like and (b) what the non-Apple tablets that are sure to come out will be like.

The iPad is a different type of device. It's hard to compare it to a netbook - that's almost like comparing a laptop to a desktop or a smartphone. Each device has a different range of optimal functions and which one is best is largely a function of what you want to do. The same goes for the iPad - from my experience, it's a better websurfing device, better document reading device, and (generally) better media consumption device than a desktop/laptop/netbook. However, I don't think it does the standard plain-vanilla computer stuff (word processing, spreadsheets, file management) better than those devices.

Edit: But, that said, I haven't done much word processing type stuff and Andrew has, so I would give his comments more weight on that matter.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:

The lack of Word would be a problem if I were doing a lot of typing on it. But I can't imagine anyone wanting to do more than jot down notes on the iPad. Works wonderfully for gaming session logs. If you regularly write reports on the go, a netbook would be better for you to my knowledge. Unless there is an app for it, since I haven't bothered to look into it.

Just my off the cuff experiences with both items.

Edit: GoodReader is excellent for lightly illustrated PDFs. It chokes on the Pathfinder Core PDF a bit, but is pretty quick and easy. And the 16GB iPad should have enough storage for all your PDFs. I've barely used a tenth of the space on my 32GB version.

Over the last three days I wrote a 36 page essay on technology and ethics in the military, with graphs, and photos, all on my iPad. The iWork apps auto convert MS Office files, even allowing for editing. When you need to email a doc, you can select to email it as iWork, MS Office, or a PDF. No complaints from my Windows-using peers yet.

Turning the iPad horizontally allows for the larger virtual keyboard, and makes typing posts like this one a dream. For longer use, like writing a ginormous essay, you definitely want a BT keyboard or the very-nifty iPad keyboard dock.

Don't be lulled by the fact that 16GB is definitely enough space for a little music, most apps you're likely to own, and lotsa-lotsa PDFs and documents--it is. But as soon as you get an iPad you'll see the awesomeness of watching a video. In the dark, in bed, with a nice set of headphones, movies and shows look phenomenal! That 64GB goes away pretty fast!

But be sure to pick up the iPad case. There are some spectacular cases available from other sellers, but Apple's case is perfect. Don't be fooled by reports that it's cheap--it's a neoprene case that adds virtually no bulk to the device, allows the iPad to tack itself (set it on your knee and it doesn't slide off), and it's awesome for watching TV in bed or typing on the horizontal.

My MacBook died last week (I slipped on the stairs and dropped it down two flights), and I'm waiting on a new one. The Army just packed-out my quarters, so the desktop has PCS'd. I still have a full week of school ahead of me, three long papers due, and I'm not the least bit worried that my new laptop won't arrive until the last day of class. The iPad has stepped up to the plate (so to speak).

Books: I've read seven novels so far, and I just restarted The Wheel of Time this morning. iPad is perfect for reading, and hours at a time even.

You should take a look a little further up this page. I wrote a quick post at the beginning of May that might help to convince you, as well. Other than that, take a trip to the Apple Store, or visit someone you know that has a device, and test it out for yourself.

I imagine cost might be the deal breaker, but hopefully it's not Flash. If it is, Hulu has promised an HTML5 version of the site for announcement at the WWDC in June. OS4 is coming out in June, as well, and September will see the iPad model of OS4--which allows for true multitasking, among other must-haves.


Andrew Turner wrote:
Chris Mortika wrote:

So, I'm in the market for a hand-held something-or-other to bridge the gap between my Mac desktop computer and my iPod; principally, I'm looking for something to carry a couple dozen book-length pdf files. Option 1: an iPad. Option 2: a PC netbook.

The netbooks cost around 300 - 370 dollars. It comes with a keyboard, Acrobat Reader, Word Excel, PowerPoint; and can play Flash.

Sell me on why I should pay an extra 300 dollars for an iPad.

We should wait for Disenchanter to log in and tell you why you shouldn't buy one. It'll save time when I refute his points...

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Why Andrew, are you bitter?

Or was that a poor attempt at being humorous?

Anyway, to answer Chris Mortika's question: The only advantage, mechanically, the iPad has over netbooks is weight and battery life. Everything else it may have (such as "always on") is subjective to your personal opinions.

With the Asus EEEPC line of netbooks, battery life is a wash. (Check out the 1001P-M17 for example.)

The weight... Is moderately subjective as well. There have been a few people claiming the iPad should be lighter - as in the weight isn't low enough for a device that is trying to fill the role of the iPad. So, the weight of the iPad might not make a difference... But it is measurably lower.

Beyond that, it revolves around what you want to do with the device. There is very little that an iPad can do, that a netbook can't. And that will usually revolve around user interface, and what is available in the apps store. User interface can be mitigated if you want to spend more money over the initial netbook purchase for an additional monitor. But for that, you will give up even more weight and the inconvenience of an additional device.
I can't comment on the apps, as I have never tried any of them. But I would like to think the the first "app store" (open source software) will have enough available to fill any of the gaps.

The netbook brings with it a greater level of customization, and scalability for limited future proofing. Expandable RAM, and hard drive, for starters. Choice of OSs, from what ever source you prefer. The option of even running a Live CD to try other OSs (even if your netbook doesn't have an optical drive onboard, you do have USB ports to connect to). And, unless the netbooks vary greatly from the notebooks, the ability to change your wi-fi card when WiGIG becomes available.

Despite Andrew Turner's comment above, I will never tell anyone why the shouldn't buy an iPad. My only thing is to make sure consumers are fully informed to make their own decisions, and not blindly follow the "false prophet" Steve Jobs.

If the iPad works great for you, enjoy! With my blessing even. But do not try to convince anyone within earshot of me that the iPad is the one and only way of the future when it is seriously lacking in several design areas.

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I was only joking, Disenchanter. And you're absolutely right, iPad isn't the only or the best way to go. I was hoping you'd weigh in because you always have alternatives the average Apple user doesn't even know about.

When it comes to Jobs, it's hard not to be affected by the RDF. That's why I always read the event transcripts at cnet before watching a keynote.

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I wish I had an iPad for my DMing. I'm not a fan of using my friends netbook. The keyboard is tiny, the screen is microscopic, the operating system is sluggish. If there's one thing I've learned to love about Apple products it's that they are almost always smooth and responsive.

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Neh. Always on isn't anymore subjective than saying there is a difference between texting and email on a mobile device. I'm at a loss to explain why those two are different given that the main function is the same, but anyone who texts regularly can tell you it is a different communication format from emailing.

Similarly, though a cadillac and a sports car will both get you from point A to point B, the subjective experience of the journey is important to a great number of people. Not that one is better over the other, but to discount the subjective experience of using the product is to miss most of the point.

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Sebastian wrote:


...Similarly, though a cadillac and a sports car will both get you from point A to point B, the subjective experience of the journey is important to a great number of people. Not that one is better over the other, but to discount the subjective experience of using the product is to miss most of the point.

Wow. That's awesome.


Scipion del Ferro wrote:
I wish I had an iPad for my DMing. I'm not a fan of using my friends netbook. The keyboard is tiny, the screen is microscopic, the operating system is sluggish. If there's one thing I've learned to love about Apple products it's that they are almost always smooth and responsive.

Do you have an idea of what your friends netbook is? If it wasn't released in the last two years or so, it really isn't a fair direct comparison to the iPad.

The new N450 Atom processors are a tremendous improvement. Even "netbook OSs" crush my poor 1.3GHz single core notebook. I think it is Centrino, so that really doesn't come as any surprise. But, if I want to dive into different Linux distributions, I can make my notebook really snappy and responsive.

As for the subjective part being important - that ends up being irrelevant. It doesn't matter how important it is to anyone, since it is subjective no one person can really explain it to those who don't share the same opinions.

I know several people that would sell any sports car given to them, just to buy a Cadillac. And yet there are others that would rather get caught dead, naked, with jumper cables attached to their testicles, and several toys shoved in various holes, than ever be rumored to have driven a Cadillac.

So, no matter how important it is, it can't really be discussed fairly - except in passing.

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Some $300 piece off of woot. I really couldn't say. Within the last year though. I've seen a handful of others and just kinda equally lackluster.


Oh. I didn't think it could be a recent netbook release, since over 95% of the netbooks for sale through Newegg have a screen (and therefor keyboard as well) that is larger than the iPad.

As for the OS, I can only guess as to the problem. Windows 7 Beta ran quite well on my aforementioned 1.3GHz notebook. The very same one that bogs down under Netbook OSs.

But... If you want to put netbooks in perspective, check out the world's smallest computer. That should make even your friends' netbook seem well sized.

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Disenchanter wrote:


As for the subjective part being important - that ends up being irrelevant. It doesn't matter how important it is to anyone, since it is subjective no one person can really explain it to those who don't share the same opinions.

If you say so.

Disenchanter wrote:


I know several people that would sell any sports car given to them, just to buy a Cadillac. And yet there are others that would rather get caught dead, naked, with jumper cables attached to their testicles, and several toys shoved in various holes, than ever be rumored to have driven a Cadillac.

Yeah...I'm going to have to take your word on that one too...


Sebastian wrote:
Disenchanter wrote:


I know several people that would sell any sports car given to them, just to buy a Cadillac. And yet there are others that would rather get caught dead, naked, with jumper cables attached to their testicles, and several toys shoved in various holes, than ever be rumored to have driven a Cadillac.
Yeah...I'm going to have to take your word on that one too...

That would be the smart choice.

However, if you do not wish to be smart, you can look for yourself. And if you look hard enough, you might just find the post I paraphrased for my descriptive.


Andrew Turner wrote:
But be sure to pick up the iPad case. There are some spectacular cases available from other sellers, but Apple's case is perfect. Don't be fooled by reports that it's cheap--it's a neoprene case that adds virtually no bulk to the device, allows the iPad to tack itself (set it on your knee and it doesn't slide off), and it's awesome for watching TV in bed or typing on the horizontal.

I was pretty sceptical when I first read this comment. Since then, my Apple case arrived (for some reason the iPad shipped on time but the case was delayed) and I was pleasantly surprised. There really was little description of it in the Apple store, and from the pictures I thought it was going to be of nylon, maybe one side firm backing, and screen safe material inside. I only got it because I wanted something that I new would fit until other companies had a chance to develop a really good case.

You're absolutely right. All neoprene and beautifully done. It feels much better than I expected, and works well for angled typing while lying down on the floor in kids room trying to get then to fall asleep :)

Now I think it looks so good, I'm not sure if I want to leave it in the Apple case all the time or apply invisibleShield and only put it in the case when carrying around outside my home.

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Daeglin wrote:
... I'm not sure if I want to leave it in the Apple case all the time or apply invisibleShield and only put it in the case when carrying around outside my home.

Is the Invisible Shield a Speck-type case? If it's an adhesive film, I don't personally believe it'll add that much more protection to your device versus the difficulty of applying it. I don't have any film on mine and it gets carried around everywhere. The aluminum backing isn't going to scratch, and unless you're taking powertools to it, the glass is pretty safe.

In the house, if mine is docked, of course the case is removed. Otherwise, I leave it in the case because it's just so easy to carry it; holding it one handed, tucking it under my arm while I stir the potatoes, setting it on the counter with no worry it'll take a glider off the edge.

Also, the case cleans up pretty good (damn those potatoes).


Andrew Turner wrote:

Is the Invisible Shield a Speck-type case? If it's an adhesive film, I don't personally believe it'll add that much more protection to your device versus the difficulty of applying it. I don't have any film on mine and it gets carried around everywhere. The aluminum backing isn't going to scratch, and unless you're taking powertools to it, the glass is pretty safe.

In the house, if mine is docked, of course the case is removed. Otherwise, I leave it in the case because it's just so easy to carry it; holding it one handed, tucking it under my arm while I stir the potatoes, setting it on the counter with no worry it'll take a glider off the edge.

Also, the case cleans up pretty good (damn those potatoes).

Its an adhesive film, apparently originally developed to coat helicopter blades. The usual mix of good and bad comments online. A few of my friends have used it on their iPhones in lieu of any other case, and it resolves that "slippery" feeling that a bare phone usually has in my hands. I do find the iPad slippery as well and if I use it without a case, I'd like a little extra tackiness. Might impair the ability to slide it in and out of the Apple case easily. Anyway, minor issue.

I'm not usually an early adopter, and I seldom believe the hype surrounding a product release, but the last few things I've gotten from Apple have in each case exceeded my expectations. So far, the iPad also. I suspect that when their second generation comes out, I'll upgrade to wifi-3G: there's no shortage of those in my family who will want my current wifi iPad.

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Andrew Turner wrote:

...Hulu has promised an HTML5 version of the site for announcement at the WWDC...

Looks like NBC has decided to stick with Flash, so no move to HTML 5 for hulu.com

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So, I decided last night, after days of comparison shopping, to go with an iPad. I walked into Best Buy today ... and they're sold out. Possibly for a month or more.

This is my chagrinned expression.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

So, I decided last night, after days of comparison shopping, to go with an iPad. I walked into Best Buy today ... and they're sold out. Possibly for a month or more.

This is my chagrinned expression.

Just order direct from the Apple Store online. You get exactly what you want, free shipping, and relatively fast. Not to mention, they have discounted storefronts for government, education, etc., possibly making it cheaper than a retail store.

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Done. 32 GB. 3G. It should arrive in 7-10 business days. (If it doesn't get to me by PaizoCon, I'll be ticked.)

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It's only after you purchase something from Apple that they'll give you an estimate of when it's due to be delivered. In this case, it will arrive June 21st. So I won't have it for PaizoCon. [Insert hearty swear word here.]

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Chris Mortika wrote:
It's only after you purchase something from Apple that they'll give you an estimate of when it's due to be delivered. In this case, it will arrive June 21st. So I won't have it for PaizoCon. [Insert hearty swear word here.]

Except for programmed releases, anything I've ever ordered from Apple arrives well ahead of schedule. Even the fedex delivery date will be plus a few days, IME. I received a Speck shell yesterday that Apple told me might arrive by the 14th.

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Which iPas Sleeve Case would you guys suggest I get?

I have been looking at the

Apple iPad Case

or

Incase Convertible Book Jacket for iPad

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Dragnmoon wrote:

Which iPas Sleeve Case would you guys suggest I get?

I have been looking at the

Apple iPad Case

or

Incase Convertible Book Jacket for iPad

I think the Incase sleeve adds a lot of bulk to the device, but definitely adds more protection than the Apple sleeve. The Incase sleeve is more professional-looking, but the Apple sleeve is less 'visible.'

I know, not much help at all.


Dragnmoon wrote:

Which iPas Sleeve Case would you guys suggest I get?

I have been looking at the

Apple iPad Case

or

Incase Convertible Book Jacket for iPad

I think of the Apple case as an attractive dust jacket. Looks really sharp, accentuates the form of the iPad but not much in way of protection. The Incase does look beefier, and the leather-look might be more in keeping with presenting a business appearance. I note its $20 more though.

Something I like about the Apple case is that some bag manufacturers are designing their products according to the iPad-in-the-case specs, like this one.

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What ya guys think about AT&T getting rid of the unlimited plan and only offering a 250 mb and 2 gig plan? I am not happy about it, I have only had the iPad for a few days and already used almost 3 gb of data on the 3G network, that would kill me! That said I currently don't have Internet in my house and the iPad is my only Internet so I have used it a lot more then I normally would. since I already have the unlimited will it stay unlimited when I renew month to month?


Dragnmoon wrote:
...since I already have the unlimited will it stay unlimited when I renew month to month?

It is supposed to, but only AT&T knows for sure. You could opt out if you chose to, but once you do you can never get back in.


Dragnmoon wrote:
What ya guys think about AT&T getting rid of the unlimited plan and only offering a 250 mb and 2 gig plan?

Not being an American my opinion wrt AT&T is largely moot, but FWIW, I think it's incredibly bad form. Jobs advertised the unlimited data plan at the iPad event as a big deal. This was a major selling point. Problem is, AT&T probably realised their network can't keep up with technology (yet again) so they are trying to put a limit on it by imposing a financial restriction.

Greg

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GregH wrote:

... Jobs advertised the unlimited data plan at the iPad event as a big deal. This was a major selling point...

Greg

If you go back and listen to the Keynote or read the transcript, they talked-up the 250 MB deal, and essentially said "there's also an unlimited deal." Several times in the Keynote he says the 250MB plan should be enough for almost anybody.

For me, I used 45MB last month (so around $.33 per MB), and I'm pretty sure I can account for most of that via two demos I gave streaming Lost from ABC.com. So, I kind of wish there were an even cheaper plan.


Andrew Turner wrote:
If you go back and listen to the Keynote or read the transcript, they talked-up the 250 MB deal, and essentially said "there's also an unlimited deal." Several times in the Keynote he says the 250MB plan should be enough for almost anybody.

OK, that's fair. I never actually watched/listened to the keynote. Only read the transcripts. It must have made a bigger impression on me than was actually intended.

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Dragnmoon wrote:
What ya guys think about AT&T getting rid of the unlimited plan and only offering a 250 mb and 2 gig plan?

Ugh ... welcome to Canada - we've had these package restrictions through Bell and Telus, et al for almost forever. There's a few plans out there that some were lucky enough to get grandfathered into (Rogers may still offer one?), but for the most part, data packages limited to a certain bandwidth level is pretty much the norm.

I've been using my iPhone persistently and average about 310MB a month over 3G, but having said that, I also take advantage of the wi-fi as it's available.

FWIW I think having only 2 data plans is a bummer. A 250MB, 500MB, 1GB and a 2GB would make more sense to me.


iPad users: how many of you have been caught touching the screen of your laptop? Don't lie!


An article about the pain of file transfers on the iPad.

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Disenchanter, the author of that article seems confused with what the iPad is. He's trying to use the application / file hierarchy of a notebook computer, like his Mac Air, and he's frustrated by how poorly the iPad handles the same tasks. Is he also frustrated that his Wii doesn't make it easy to choose fonts on a document he wants to print?

The articles from the Register to which you're linking are amusing and cranky.


Chris Mortika wrote:

Disenchanter, the author of that article seems confused with what the iPad is. He's trying to use the application / file hierarchy of a notebook computer, like his Mac Air, and he's frustrated by how poorly the iPad handles the same tasks. Is he also frustrated that his Wii doesn't make it easy to choose fonts on a document he wants to print?

The articles from the Register to which you're linking are amusing and cranky.

Are you saying that the iPad is not a media consumption device that has great untapped potential as a production device?

If the iPad isn't that, then you are right the author is confused about what the iPad is, and wasted a lot of effort explaining that in the article.

As for them being cranky, I don't think any of the articles have had the same author twice. Now maybe The Register requires crankiness to be hired, or maybe these articles represent a segment of the tech populous that normally doesn't get a voice.

In the end, it doesn't matter. I present the articles, and I trust the reader to be capable enough to make their own opinions on the veracity of the information.

And hey, I would post links to articles that are more favorable to the iPad, but either they don't appear in my usual reading sphere, or others have already posted them.

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Disenchanter wrote:

In the end, it doesn't matter. I present the articles, and I trust the reader to be capable enough to make their own opinions on the veracity of the information.

And hey, I would post links to articles that are more favorable to the iPad, but either they don't appear in my usual reading sphere, or others have already posted them.

Fair enough.

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