The "gish" name must go


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How many gish
Could a giant fish
SQUISH
If a giant fish
Could SQUISH
*********** Gish?

Shadow Lodge

I call Gish character's "Spellblades".


houstonderek wrote:

My current DM seems to think my one Crown Royal bag of dice is overkill. I wish he saw my dice collection from before I went to prison...

...

You kill a man?

Liberty's Edge

meatrace wrote:
houstonderek wrote:

My current DM seems to think my one Crown Royal bag of dice is overkill. I wish he saw my dice collection from before I went to prison...

...

You kill a man?

For mis-using the word 'Gish' ...


Does everyone forget what Gish really means?

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:h9fixqu5ldje


Personally I think the new class should be called Mr. Fancypants.


Every non game meaning of gish...is not good


Hey now, I like the Smashing Pumpkins and as it happens that album was recorded in my home town of Madison, Wisconsin.


Mairkurion {tm} wrote:

How many gish

Could a giant fish
SQUISH
If a giant fish
Could SQUISH
*********** Gish?

*SQUISH!*


Sebastian wrote:

If this committee has the power to remove words from the english language, I would propose that we set our sights higher. "Impactful" has long been a scourge upon the language, and should be purged!

Also, if there's some sort of button we can push to ban these words, I'd like everyone to know that I'm available to guard said button and prevent other, less honorable posters from deleting words willy-nilly from the English language...

You have an Impactful argument there, Sebastian. Unfortunatly, I have a feeling that we are immune to such an Impactful statement.


meatrace wrote:
Hey now, I like the Smashing Pumpkins and as it happens that album was recorded in my home town of Madison, Wisconsin.

Look up the common uses of "gish" your never look at it the same again

Liberty's Edge

meatrace wrote:
houstonderek wrote:

My current DM seems to think my one Crown Royal bag of dice is overkill. I wish he saw my dice collection from before I went to prison...

...

You kill a man?

Just to watch him die.

Silver Crusade

seekerofshadowlight wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Hey now, I like the Smashing Pumpkins and as it happens that album was recorded in my home town of Madison, Wisconsin.
Look up the common uses of "g%#~" your never look at it the same again

Agreed. I wish I could unread that Urban Dictionary entry.

Liberty's Edge

So, why isn't "zerth" popular? No githzerai love? It even sounds less squishy and goofy as g$%# (sort of).


Who cares. So some people don't like the slang that other gamers use. I don't use gish and think it sounds stupid and wouldn't use it for any character I create, but the folks who try to stop this trend sound even more ridiculous for getting upset that other folks are using a term that they don't like. Let them use it!

Spellthane sounds like something forced from a bad fantasy novel, btw, ugh- much worse, at least gish came about organically. Spellthane is like in Mean Girls when the one character goes "That's so 'fetch'" trying to make "fetch" a new cool word, forcibly, and it's not happening, that's what I hear when someone writes "Spellthane".

And now, I'm just as bad because I posted on this forum... hehe... off to work!

Liberty's Edge

Robert Carter 58 wrote:

Who cares. So some people don't like the slang that other gamers use. I don't use gish and think it sounds stupid and wouldn't use it for any character I create, but you guys sound even more ridiculous for getting upset that other folks are using a term that you don't like. Let them use it!

Spellthane sounds like something forced from a bad fantasy novel, btw, ugh- mush worse, at least gish came about organically. Spellthane is like in Mean Girls when the one character goes "That's so 'fetch'" trying to make "fetch" a new cool word, forcibly, and it's not happening, that's what I hear when someone writes "Spellthane".

And now, I'm just as bad because I posted on this forum... hehe... off to work!

Nah, gish was just forced from a bad fantasy naming of a specific species' caste of warrior mage.

See, and the thing is, the first person to use "gish" meaning anything but a fourth level multi-class githyanki fighter magic user was doing EXACTLY what you ascribe to the dude trying to make "fetch" cool.

;)

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houstonderek wrote:
So, why isn't "zerth" popular? No githzerai love? It even sounds less squishy and goofy as g$%# (sort of).

Because psionic monk isn't as popular an archetype (or even properly an archetype, really), you can totally do that with psywarrior so nobody needed a term other than psywarrior, and it conflicted with the proper name of a PrC in Complete Psionic (not that Complete Psionic is anyone's favorite book).

Liberty's Edge

Um, zerths are fighter magic users, not psionic monks.

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houstonderek wrote:
Um, zerths are fighter magic users, not psionic monks.

Mmkay. Then the answer is more likely because few seem to know what a zerth is, whereas githyanki were on peoples' minds because there was a big githyanki "event" in Dragon and Dungeon at the time that the term was coined to refer to multiclass builds on the WOTC CO board.


Gish Fish wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:

How many gish

Could a giant fish
SQUISH
If a giant fish
Could SQUISH
*********** Gish?
*SQUISH!*

Also, go ahead and squish people who say we look stupid.


Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Gish Fish wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:

How many gish

Could a giant fish
SQUISH
If a giant fish
Could SQUISH
*********** Gish?
*SQUISH!*
Also, go ahead and squish people who say we look stupid.

Excellent!

SQUISH, SQUISH, SQUISHIDY, SQUISH!

Your wish is the command of the gish fish and his squish wrath.


Celestial Healer wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Hey now, I like the Smashing Pumpkins and as it happens that album was recorded in my home town of Madison, Wisconsin.
Look up the common uses of "g%#~" your never look at it the same again
Agreed. I wish I could unread that Urban Dictionary entry.

Yeah just think of the confusion it causes non-gamers overhearing it. Also some of my players are new and do not know the history of the word in game but know of it's common uses...they got confused fast looking online


Gish Fish wrote:
Fishy stuff

Clearly, the 2nd best new alias of the week: Have a silver medal.


Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Gish Fish wrote:
Fishy stuff
Clearly, the 2nd best new alias of the week: Have a silver medal.

I demand a recount ya smelly head of cabbage. Jus' you wait til the mister gets home he'll set ya straight. Nobody ever giving me the respect I deserve.


Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Gish Fish wrote:
Fishy stuff
Clearly, the 2nd best new alias of the week: Have a silver medal.

<Scrambles on stage, pushing Gish Wife out of his way in a torrent of unrestrained excitement>

<Looks proudly at his medal>

<In his best Sally Fields voice>

I can't deny the fact that you like me! You like me!

<Wipes a single tear from a bulbous eye>


Heathansson wrote:
I like "abracastabya"

Can't . . .

Can't breathe!

*sound of intense laughter*


seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Hey now, I like the Smashing Pumpkins and as it happens that album was recorded in my home town of Madison, Wisconsin.
Look up the common uses of "g%#~" your never look at it the same again
Agreed. I wish I could unread that Urban Dictionary entry.
Yeah just think of the confusion it causes non-gamers overhearing it. Also some of my players are new and do not know the history of the word in game but know of it's common uses...they got confused fast looking online

There's a point to anything in the Urban Dictionary? That site made my head hurt.

The Exchange

GISH!!!!!!

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If a fighter-mage uses her sword to cut you, and blood pours out of the wound, can we say that the gish's gash gushes? Gosh!


hogarth wrote:
I vote for F/M-U.

+1


If you want to mindbend people into using a different word you're gonna need something punchier and more concise than "gish."

On a related note, I get annoyed by terms that have "blade" or "sword" in them. What if my F/M-U wants to be a "mage-mattock?"


Robert Carter 58 wrote:
Spellthane sounds like something forced from a bad fantasy novel, btw, ugh- much worse, at least gish came about organically. Spellthane is like in Mean Girls when the one character goes "That's so 'fetch'" trying to make "fetch" a new cool word, forcibly, and it's not happening, that's what I hear when someone writes "Spellthane".

Stop trying to make spellthane happen! It's not going to happen!


Brian E. Harris wrote:
Robert Carter 58 wrote:
Spellthane sounds like something forced from a bad fantasy novel, btw, ugh- much worse, at least gish came about organically. Spellthane is like in Mean Girls when the one character goes "That's so 'fetch'" trying to make "fetch" a new cool word, forcibly, and it's not happening, that's what I hear when someone writes "Spellthane".
Stop trying to make spellthane happen! It's not going to happen!

Heh. Mean Girls. I love it.

As a side note, I just opened a random pack of the new D&D miniatures and found a "Githyanki Gish". It looks like the term is pretty official, at least over at WotC.


Dork Lord wrote:
As a side note, I just opened a random pack of the new D&D miniatures and found a "Githyanki Gish". It looks like the term is pretty official, at least over at WotC.

What do you mean? Gish have always been Githyanki (read: Gish are only Githyanki).

This is a case of WotC properly using the term.


Ahhh... I thought WotC had taken the internet term and applied it to a mini. That would have been amusing. I didn't know it existed in any official capacity.

So folks are upset that people are bastardizing the official term to mean any "best of both worlds" magic user/warrior class?


Dork Lord wrote:
So folks are upset that people are bastardizing the official term to mean any "best of both worlds" magic user/warrior class?

Pretty much. Players have been using the term as such for years, but there's a school of thought that's along the lines of "NO!! A Gish is ONLY a Githyanki that does that~!!!!"


Yes the name is old school, it was a cast of Githyanki . A type of fighter/mage

The name does not mean fighter/mage, although if you use it your dead at level 16...she will find you

Arcane warrior is a better name, gish is not, it sounds like fish and sounds like your forcing a name to mean something else like if I used "cocktail" to mean monk, does not mean it is a monk, but if I get alot of folks using the term "cocktail" for monks. It makes it no less silly even if it becomes a common slang for it


We used to call such a character a Blade Singer.

I'd love to see a Blade Singer class for Pathfinder, even if it's homebrewed.


ah blade singer, I would use a bard with a reworked spell list really, prob the closest we have to capturing the feel of it

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[offkey]A gish is a gish really despite the wish to name him something else.[/offkey]


Dork Lord wrote:

We used to call such a character a Blade Singer.

I'd love to see a Blade Singer class for Pathfinder, even if it's homebrewed.

Pop on over to the conversions forum, folks there would probably rise to the challenge. :)


kahoolin wrote:
On a related note, I get annoyed by terms that have "blade" or "sword" in them.

In the waning days of 3.5 splatbooks, I lobbied unsuccessfully to issue a moratorium on the words "blade" and "war" from all class and prestige class names. I was tired of mageblades and bladesingers and runeblades and duskblades duking it out with warforged warmages and warchanters and warshapers and warpriests, with those pesky warblades playing both sides.


+1 for Gish to be referred to only in it's proper context.

Githyanki or bust.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
kahoolin wrote:
On a related note, I get annoyed by terms that have "blade" or "sword" in them.
In the waning days of 3.5 splatbooks, I lobbied unsuccessfully to issue a moratorium on the words "blade" and "war" from all class and prestige class names. I was tired of mageblades and bladesingers and runeblades and duskblades duking it out with warforged warmages and warchanters and warshapers and warpriests, with those pesky warblades playing both sides.

I agree with this, save the bladesinger, which as far as I know was first. But when it became trendy to add blade and war to everything it got a bit much

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
kahoolin wrote:
On a related note, I get annoyed by terms that have "blade" or "sword" in them.
In the waning days of 3.5 splatbooks, I lobbied unsuccessfully to issue a moratorium on the words "blade" and "war" from all class and prestige class names. I was tired of mageblades and bladesingers and runeblades and duskblades duking it out with warforged warmages and warchanters and warshapers and warpriests, with those pesky warblades playing both sides.

Here Here... the war and Blade class names have run their course but good.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
kahoolin wrote:
On a related note, I get annoyed by terms that have "blade" or "sword" in them.
In the waning days of 3.5 splatbooks, I lobbied unsuccessfully to issue a moratorium on the words "blade" and "war" from all class and prestige class names. I was tired of mageblades and bladesingers and runeblades and duskblades duking it out with warforged warmages and warchanters and warshapers and warpriests, with those pesky warblades playing both sides.

You forgot warbarian.


Crimson Jester wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
kahoolin wrote:
On a related note, I get annoyed by terms that have "blade" or "sword" in them.
In the waning days of 3.5 splatbooks, I lobbied unsuccessfully to issue a moratorium on the words "blade" and "war" from all class and prestige class names. I was tired of mageblades and bladesingers and runeblades and duskblades duking it out with warforged warmages and warchanters and warshapers and warpriests, with those pesky warblades playing both sides.
Here Here... the war and Blade class names have run their course but good.

The compound adjective-noun and noun-noun names ran their course LONG ago...

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The warbarian's darkleaf armor (built from the leaves of the Shadowfell gravetrees) is supergreat, negating extradamage from bigswords and awesomespells.


seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Yes the name is old school, it was a cast of Githyanki . A type of fighter/mage

Which was never really addressed/given any meaningful attention until a few years ago...

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Arcane warrior is a better name

Not really. A wizard is an arcane warrior. A sorcerer is an arcane warrior. Anyone who uses arcane magic and fights is an arcane warrior.

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...sounds like your forcing a name to mean something else...

It makes it no less silly even if it becomes a common slang for it

Good thing THAT has NEVER happened in the history of language.


Word.

:P

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