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So we know what they are making for the next many months ahead, But what else would you like to see from Paizo that they realistically could produce?
I have 2 things I would love from them..
A Boxed Adventure set. I loved the Boxed adventures of old, Everything you need in one box. Maybe a few Battle maps, an long adventure for multiple levels and supporting material.
Pathfinder RPG Starter Set. Would love a Starter set for thier RPG, something I could use to introduce the game at a lower price and teach people the basics of the game.
What else would us fans like to see?
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I'd also really enjoy a boxed Galorian campaign setting set, too. :D
*is a huge fan of boxed sets*
I was thinking that, but with the Hard cover Campaign setting book and gazetteer. what else could they add to a boxed set?
Another thing I would love to see is a Multi part huge map of Galorian like we used to see in the Dragon days when they would release a part of the map 1 after the other with the release of that months mag.
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I was thinking that, but with the Hard cover Campaign setting book and gazetteer. what else could they add to a boxed set?
That was something I'd hit upon too, I dunno what else they could really add. Maybe just some 'fun' stuff? Maybe a module or two that really show off the setting and a few of the Pathfinder Companion books?
Get a nice 'jumping off' point for folks that are new to the setting and don't know exactly what to buy to get a solid experience.
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On the subject of boxed adventures, I will tell you this: most of the boxed adventures that you are so fondly thinking of from the old days at TSR lost money for the company and thus aren't viable business models. I too loved opening the box and checking out all the cool do-dads. Matter of fact, I own every one of those boxed sets. But the cost to print things like that is high and, off the top of my head, I think a boxed adventure like that would have to cost near $50 to $60 to make sense. And in this economy, I don't know how many people would buy something like that.
That said, we will keep searching for ways to do something like this affordably. Because it would be da bomb!
-Lisa
Would love a Starter set for thier RPG, something I could use to introduce the game at a lower price and teach people the basics of the game.
I've been thinking about that idea quite a bit lately. I think a "Pathfinder Lite" wouldn't be that hard to pull off.
-Start by limiting level advancement to 5th and drop multi-classing.
-Cut back on the number of playable races (dwarf, elf, halfing, human).
-Cut back on the number of playable clases (cleric, fighter, rogue, wizard).
-Use a modified version prestige classes to give players the chance to sample the more complex stuff (e.g. make ranger a PrC of fighter, necromancer specialist a PrC of wizard). By modified version of PrC I'm essentially saying you put in a rule like; "Once you hit 3rd and have two levels left you can either finish out your career as your starting class or try a prestige class. Here are some examples..."
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On the subject of boxed adventures, I will tell you this: most of the boxed adventures that you are so fondly thinking of from the old days at TSR lost money for the company and thus aren't viable business models. I too loved opening the box and checking out all the cool do-dads. Matter of fact, I own every one of those boxed sets. But the cost to print things like that is high and, off the top of my head, I think a boxed adventure like that would have to cost near $50 to $60 to make sense. And in this economy, I don't know how many people would buy something like that.
That said, we will keep searching for ways to do something like this affordably. Because it would be da bomb!
-Lisa
I think your Core audience would still buy it at that price, but the larger audience may balk at it.
What makes it cost that much? the Box itself or the contents in the box?
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One other thing...
Erratas.. I am still upset with Paizo leaving it up to the fans for the Erratas... I am pissed that I have to dig through Forum posts to find the mistakes and errors.
Are the errors really so heinous that they prevent you from being able to understand and use the books?
Posting errata for every product we do would be nice, I agree, but until we finally get our footing back on solid ground with the PFPRG done (that includes the Bestiary), we won't have time to do much about official errata posts. And we'll be even more likely to do so if folks cool their jets, practice some patience, and try not to get all nasty about it.
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I think your Core audience would still buy it at that price, but the larger audience may balk at it.
What makes it cost that much? the Box itself or the contents in the box?
It's a mix of things, really; the cost of the box, the cost of all the books inside, the cost of the additional goods, the cost of assembling the box and its contents, the cost of shipping such bulky items, etc. There's also the fact that they're awkward to shelve with other RPG books in bookstores. They're cool, I agree, but they're also not very practical. Boxed board games are able to pull off this thing because, for the most part, they've got a MUCH bigger industry and market and business; they can save money by printing HUGE print runs, and that's not something that most RPGs have the luxury of.
Pathfinder RPG Starter Set. Would love a Starter set for thier RPG, something I could use to introduce the game at a lower price and teach people the basics of the game.
This will happen within six months. Lisa and Erik will see to that.
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On the subject of boxed adventures, I will tell you this: most of the boxed adventures that you are so fondly thinking of from the old days at TSR lost money for the company and thus aren't viable business models. I too loved opening the box and checking out all the cool do-dads. Matter of fact, I own every one of those boxed sets. But the cost to print things like that is high and, off the top of my head, I think a boxed adventure like that would have to cost near $50 to $60 to make sense. And in this economy, I don't know how many people would buy something like that.
I was wondering what ever happened to all the boxed-sets. It's a shame that producing them is so expensive. Still, I can understand you guys' stance in this case; loosing money is never a good thing.
That said, we will keep searching for ways to do something like this affordably. Because it would be da bomb!
-Lisa
Awesome! :D
I would love to see a map set of close ups of various regions like we have for Varisia done at poster size. I love the detail maps and seeing the more intricate area maps are great campaign inspiration. I realize that the cartography cost money, but I think many of the loyal fans (this number has to growing) would find this to be, as Lisa said, “da bomb”. I have to imagine others have suggested this.
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One other thing...
Erratas.. I am still upset with Paizo leaving it up to the fans for the Erratas... I am pissed that I have to dig through Forum posts to find the mistakes and errors.
Are the errors really so heinous that they prevent you from being able to understand and use the books?
Posting errata for every product we do would be nice, I agree, but until we finally get our footing back on solid ground with the PFPRG done (that includes the Bestiary), we won't have time to do much about official errata posts. And we'll be even more likely to do so if folks cool their jets, practice some patience, and try not to get all nasty about it.
Sorry if you thought I was being nasty about it, I thought I was using calm terms, and accurate on how I felt on it. This has not stopped me from buying your products, it is just a pet peeve of mine. Though I can't point to every error there have been some and not being in your place I can't see what is making it that it would take that much time to post an errata of your products. But maybe you are right. *shrugs*. But it is still something I would like to see, so I mentioned it, like I have a few times in the past since you first started Pathfinder almost 2 years ago. I think it is a deserved criticism but only small compared to the great products you produce.
I would like to see:
1. Flip-mats that correspond to big "setpiece" fights in adventure paths. If chosen carefully, you could tie the flipmat into the AP without decreasing the utility of the flip-mat to those not using the AP. Plus it throws a bone to the people (like me) who would like to see some of the AP maps produced at table scale. Seems like an all-around win.
2. A Varisia guidebook. I know a lot of Varisia material is already out there in the first few APs, but I'd like to see it updated, re-organized, and collected under a single cover. I'd buy.
3. Map tiles printed on thicker cardstock, with an eye toward maximizing possible permutations and combinations. Die-cut (ala WotC tiles) if possible, but I realize economies of scale (or lack thereof) might make that impossible.
Does anyone know how the Dawn of the First Age boxed set did for Exalted and White Wolf? I think it was priced at 60 dollars and to my knowledge it was sold out for a while. Midnight had a nice boxed set that sold for fifty that I own. The boxed set for the dungeon crawl classics series DCC 35 sells for astronomical prices on ebay. I dunno if goodman made money on it but they certainly sold out of it. I think it was priced around 55 or 60 dollars.
There is a demand there for high priced boxed sets. At sixty bucks a boxed set, I would buy one no problem. I miss fold out maps. I refuse to cut them out of or remove them from the books I own....seperate fold out maps.... Remember the old trail maps? Aaahh...
Another thing I would love to see is a Multi part huge map of Galorian like we used to see in the Dragon days when they would release a part of the map 1 after the other with the release of that months mag.
Yes, please. Especially given some of the issues with the Campaign Setting map.
Pathfinder Lite for beginners (which James explained in detail his thoughts on it during a Pathfinder chat), must cost less than $20.
A high level story arc not even an adventure path but maybe three modules that play off each other like the Kobold series but starting at like 16th or 17th level
One word EPIC. Give me just one epic adventure even a module not even a adventure path just a module PLEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSSSEEE.
I too would like to see more high-level content in the form of adventures and a epic level handbook. Specifically in the 15 to 25 level range.
My Pathfinder wishlist also includes;
1) A Pathfinder treatment of Oriental Adventures would be awesome.
2) An adventure path that is one complete dungeon representing an iconinc dungeon in the feel of Greyhawk Ruins or Undermountain.
Book of Fey!
I believe that was one of the most called for books on the wizards forums. ^^
1. Flip-mats that correspond to big "setpiece" fights in adventure paths. If chosen carefully, you could tie the flipmat into the AP without decreasing the utility of the flip-mat to those not using the AP. Plus it throws a bone to the people (like me) who would like to see some of the AP maps produced at table scale. Seems like an all-around win.
They've started doing this recently. And this is a good thing. When I heard the Darklands map would be of use in Second Darkness, I ordered it right away. When I read in Jackal's Price that one encounter could be done on the Desert map, I ordered it right away. When I read that the Dragon's Lair map can be used in Blood of Dragonscar, I ordered it right away. I'll get Flip-mat Dungeon just because it's the Crypt of the Everflame. And just because I THINK it may be of use in Sixfold Trial I picked up the Theater flip-mat.
Keep making flip-mats that are used in your adventures, and I'll keep buying them!
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I would like to see:
1. Flip-mats that correspond to big "setpiece" fights in adventure paths. If chosen carefully, you could tie the flipmat into the AP without decreasing the utility of the flip-mat to those not using the AP. Plus it throws a bone to the people (like me) who would like to see some of the AP maps produced at table scale. Seems like an all-around win.
This.
I've bought flip-mat forest and map pack Inns. Guess why?
I'll jump on the maps bandwagon. I am also one of those types that do not like to remove their original map from the accompanying book. It would be nice to purchase 'replacements' or 'copies' of those at a decent price so you can protect your original copy (instead of having to buy the whole book all over again).
If there's one thing I do miss from the 3.5 days at WotC, it's those online monthly articles about character build options, alternative ways to use feats and spells, or even some new crunch and fluff. The Wayfinder PDF was a positive thing and an interesting read; some would also say that other websites such as KQ does this already, but sometimes it is nice to get the information from the core source itself as it would give the content more validity. Sure, I could do a search through the messageboards, but sometimes you'd like to access something outside of there that's easily indexable.
I'm probably just experiencing a Dragon Magazine jones and would just like to see a mini online version. Depending on what articles that are forthcoming, you could always solicit other parties to pay for some online banner advertising placements within those articles for products that Paizo sells themselves or on behalf of third party authors.
A tidy profit.
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It's a mix of things, really; the cost of the box, the cost of all the books inside, the cost of the additional goods, the cost of assembling the box and its contents, the cost of shipping such bulky items, etc. There's also the fact that they're awkward to shelve with other RPG books in bookstores. They're cool, I agree, but they're also not very practical. Boxed board games are able to pull off this thing because, for the most part, they've got a MUCH bigger industry and market and business; they can save money by printing HUGE print runs, and that's not something that most RPGs have the luxury of.I think your Core audience would still buy it at that price, but the larger audience may balk at it.
What makes it cost that much? the Box itself or the contents in the box?
I think James, Vic and Lisa should forfeit their salaries for 7 years to help subsidize the cost of the boxed sets. Anyone else agree? I'd include Cosmo but he only makes $1.99 a month.
I'd love to see an Adv Players Book.... New Core CLasses, Balanced Archetypal Prestige Classes, New Spells, Feats, Gear, and Epic Rules
A Gamemaster Book, with Charts for EVERYTHING...like the old DMG from 1st ed.... Terrain, Weather, Diseases, Poisons, NPCs, New Magic Items, Random Encounter Charts, Hirelings, Strategies(for noobs), Good Travel Rules, rules for designing Balanced Custom Classes and PrC's
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I'd love to see Paizo put together something, maybe a yearly offering, for shorter adventures.
Possibly a collection of sidetreks. Something to approximate what Dungeon used to provide.
I'd also like to see Paizo put out Slumbering Tsar, and Nick Logue/Brendan Victorson's "The Lightning Curse" - the sequel to Dungeon's excellent "Obsidian Eye" adventure. The closing of the paper mags killed its release, and I would love to see what happens to Harbinger, Mio the Scorpion, and Anak. (With Wotc IP filed off of course.)
I think James, Vic and Lisa should forfeit their salaries for 7 years to help subsidize the cost of the boxed sets. Anyone else agree? I'd include Cosmo but he only makes $1.99 a month.
1. Absolutely;
2. Cosmo got a raise? (just kidding man; we love you).
And just because I THINK it may be of use in Sixfold Trial I picked up the Theater flip-mat.That was a good thought, because the theater flip-mat is indeed used in Sixfold Trial.
Boo-Yah!
A tidy profit.
Absolutely! :D
I'd like to see more Pathfinder Chronicles miniatures...
I'd love to see an Adv Players Book.... New Core CLasses, Balanced Archetypal Prestige Classes, New Spells, Feats, Gear, and Epic Rules
Mostly this, but Golarion specific. Also, Psionics.
I too loved opening the box and checking out all the cool do-dads. Matter of fact, I own every one of those boxed sets.
That said, we will keep searching for ways to do something like this affordably. Because it would be da bomb!
-Lisa
Even if it can't be the box sets of old, maybe a bundled option? Something easily assembled on the backside, easily packaged together. Then occasionally sold at a small discount. Something with a little flavor of every line tossed that makes into one combo meal not-a-boxed-set boxed set.
For example: A module, a companion that relates to maybe the area, faction or most encountered creatures in it, possibly a flip-map/map pack and maybe a pack or so of Gamemastery items cards.
It's just a little taste of a little bit of everything wrapped together by the experts to make sure the flavors work well together. Something like what happened in an old fashioned box set.
A little bit of 'ooh' and 'aah' all in 1 shot.
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How about some books with short side quests? I know there are some adventure side treks in the AP's but a book that contained about 20 or so short side (1-3 page) adventures would be great.
Hard covers about the other continents. Anything that digs really deep into the customs/politics of the lands/cultures and religions.
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I think James, Vic and Lisa should forfeit their salaries for 7 years....They get salaries? Thought they lived off the six-figure profit ;-)
I'm certainly not part of any six-figure profits. At least, not yet. (runs off to check bank account, cries, goes to Safeway to buy more ramen for dinner)
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How about some books with short side quests? I know there are some adventure side treks in the AP's but a book that contained about 20 or so short side (1-3 page) adventures would be great.
Hard covers about the other continents. Anything that digs really deep into the customs/politics of the lands/cultures and religions.
My experience working on Dungeon (with its side treks) and Pathfinder (with its set pieces) is that writers hate hate HATE writing short adventures, and that they invariably take more work than it's almost worth to trim back down to "short" status. I'm pretty fed up with the idea of short adventures as a result—anything shorter than a 32 page module at this point is probably not something Paizo's going to be tackling anytime soon as a result.
A healthy profit. Epic rules. More settings. The rest of Golarion. Forgotten Realms Redux, with Ed and Jeff Grubb running the show. Repainted plastic minis. More battlemaps.
A healthy profit.
AMEN!!! Lets keep Paizo up and running and the people over there happy!
online articles such as:
Rules of the game - where explinations of PRPG rules are explained (although hopefully many explinations wont be needed)
Class acts article much liek what was in Dragons of the past.
Campaign Workbook articles designed with the PFRPG in mind.
I'd even settle for a part of the web site indexing the on-line content they've already provided (so that I don't have to go crawling through months of blog posts by hand or relying on the somewhat shaky "Search" function).
They could also put a FAQ in there. That would be awesome ("When is the Rise of the Runelords hardcover collection coming out?").