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Tribute to Devil in the White City by Eric Larson?


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Another alternative to raising an entirely new settlement, would have the PCs (leading the ubiquitous, world weary, band of refugees to safety) discovering an ancient fallen city where darkness has taken root. The city would need to be pacified district by district. Buildings and services restored.

Depending on what wards of the city are in the PCs area of control, different benefits are granted to the new population. Do we retake the Temple district or is it finally time to do something about the chanting and glowing lights emanating from the sewers?

Slumbering evils accidentally disturbed. Outside powers angered over the territorial encroachment. The descendants of the city's prior population returning to claim what was theirs. Lost treasures gained...


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Katina Davis wrote:

Hello BSSB,

Thanks for letting us know! I'm sorry to hear that the cover was misprinted; this is something we should be able to set up a replacement for. If you wouldn't mind sending pictures to customer.service@paizo.com, we can take a look at them and keep tabs on it to make sure that it is not an ongoing issue.

Otherwise, you should be all set! Please don't hesitate to ask if there are any further questions or concerns that you may have in the meantime, and I'll be more than happy to help.

Thanks!
Katina

Email has been sent.

Thanks.


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Order 3980219

I recently received this order. My copy of Pathfinder Adventure Path #107: Scourge of the Godclaw (Hell's Vengeance 5 of 6) contains a misprint. The text that should be printed on the spine is skewed toward the back cover. The volume number is not readable and a portion of the front cover overlaps onto the spine.

Can I get another copy of this volume? If so, I am in no hurry and it can be included with my next subscription order.

If you need pictures I am happy to send them.

Thanks.


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Please cancel all of my subscriptions.

Thank you.


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Haladir wrote:


In Pennsylvania, you can find houses that are 150+ years old, with cut stone foundations and a packed earth floor. I would not store books in such an environment. Especially if your house is near water or there's a high water table.

My in-laws house in PA was built in the 1800s and has a dirt floor basement that was the inspiration for eight horror movies and is so insidious that my wife denies that the soil is soaked in the fear of previous inhabitants.

Apparently, only I can sense it.

I am looking at a house with a partially finished basement that if we do move, I will have it finished.

I just am worried about the amount of protection that finishing gives. it seems that a good dehumidifier is the way to go.


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Fake Healer wrote:


On a side note, welcome to 5 months of the year being too cold, a summer with more humidity than Florida and about 3 months of nice weather in the spring and fall....you are crazy for moving from Florida to PA.
I moved last Christmas from Delaware to Florida(Celebration) and I am loving it...I finally actually get to use a pool consistently and can be outside most of the year.

Oh no. You are afflicted with Florida heat stroke and are on the 4th stage of malaria induced delusion.

I moved here from New York when i was 13 and I miss cold crisp air, the feeling that my limbs are not made of Yankee Candle's new Italian American Salted Wax, and the blinding sun.

I know some love Florida but after twenty four years of heat, heat, humidity, and love bugs, I almost miss Japanese Beetles.

Right now we are looking at Northern PA which I am hoping is not as humid as the Atlantic Coast. I grew up on Staten Island and my childhood home was built without a basement for probably the reasons you describe. My childhood memories are a little vague but I remember my father complaining about the ground floor of the house which was unfinished, flooding due to some mystical device called a sump pump. From my limited knowledge of sump pumps you have to curse twice before naming it and then punch the wall once for good luck when you're done.


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I've lived in Florida for most of my life. I have a very large book collection. Five bookcases and two closets packed with TSR's back catalog hog two rooms of my very climate controlled and dehumidified home. Dry and 77 degrees is the norm.

My wife and I are toying with moving north. Midwest or Pennsylvania.

If I finish a basement and build a library, am I inviting a host of mildew and water damage?

I've never lived in a home with a basement, so I don't know the difficulties associated with storing books in that environment.

I'll preface this with the statement that I am crazy about books and condition. Crazy.

Do any of you store your books in the basement? How has that affected them over the years? Do the books now smell like your grandmother?

Any recommendations?


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Have you looked at Traveller : Dynasty by Mongoose? I don't own a copy myself but I think it was geared toward supporting a colonize and govern themed sci-fi game.


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Looks great and happy I'm in on the kickstarter


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Lucio wrote:

(which as an aside is supiciously similar to the Pinnacle Savage Worlds setting Evernight), feels like a step too far.

Just an FYI ---- according to The Making of Savage Worlds pdf on PEG's website, Evernight was inspired by a series of TSR adventures featuring Illithids.

Which is just to say, Iron Gods is not a step too far. It is a very familiar step that is a traditional part of the game.


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Can you please remove Legend of the Five Rings RPG: Imperial Histories 2 from my order?

Thank you and sorry for the trouble.


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So I got carried away and managed to order Beyond the Black Gate twice, here and on a previous order. Can DCC 72 be deleted from my side cart?

Thanks.

260616 Oct 3, 2012

Dragon Age RPG: Set 2 (moved to sidecart)
Awaiting monthly shipment $0.00
Dungeon Crawl Classics #72: Beyond the Black Gate (DCC) Print Edition (moved to sidecart) Awaiting monthly shipment
Dungeon Crawl Classics #73: Emirikol Was Framed! (DCC) Print Edition (moved to sidecart) Awaiting monthly shipment


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Martyrs' March


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yarvin wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:


My LGS in NYC has a crap load of them on the shelf here. They were putting them out today when I stopped in to see if they new Pathfinder stuff was out and to take a look at Dungeon Command.

Ah. Then I am being punished yet again for living out in the middle of nowhere. Story of my childhood as a gamer.

Thanks for the info.

The monster manual is on the front page of Noble Knight Games' website


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Out of curiosity.... I live in Florida as well and with the exception of some books that were in a walk in closet adjoined to a bathroom, I've never had any problems.

What temperature do you keep your a/c at?


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Does anyone have any idea how many preorders were taken? I'm just curious as to how much money is involved.


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LazarX wrote:


1. It's against her interest to do so. For Iomedae to promote her causes she needs to promote herself, her NAME, as well. Giving spells to some whack job who insists on promoting a diety that's not her does not serve her purpose.

2. The player's concept is not "interesting" and it's certainly not "unique". It's a gimmick, plain and simple. He wants a setting rules exception because apparantly he can't feel "special" without one.

1.) Use some imagination! What if the cleric is being tapped in some other capacity to fulfill Iomedae's goals indirectly? There are any number of plots I could develop which has the unwitting cleric of Aroden advancing Iomedae's agendas. The cleric is called to unearth an abandoned temple to Aroden one that conceals a relic of importance to Iomedae...so on and so forth.

She has thousands of followers promoting her name what if this follower could accomplish something different?

2.) It could be very interesting. If the character is a country bumpkin who knows nothing of Aroden's demise but discovered his faith through reading older tomes and then is confronted with adventuring and the realization that his precious god is dead, think of all the plot devices associated with those reflections. This can make some great moral fodder and move to the questioning of the origination of his power. Is Aroden dead or are they mistaken? Who is providing the clerical magic? Why?

This is a whole campaign drafted up in minutes....

I would enjoy exploring these nuances as a GM for this player


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seekerofshadowlight wrote:

Yep but again he could not be a cleric. That is the issue, you must have a god, and no god is gonna invest power in you, while you are thinking that a dead god is doing so.

Gods do not invest folks with power who are not devoted to them.

Also side note, he may have cast those spells but he never had clerics :) He could however have been a cleric

I'm gonna convince you yet!

Calistra, goddess of trickery playing the ultimate prank.


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seekerofshadowlight wrote:

Yes, they are sure. Every single god told their clerics "Aroden is dead".You have a massive unending storm still going since the day he died, you had storms roll over the whole of the world. His clerics lost all power, they could not hear him, they lost all spells and could gain them no more. The world knows he is dead.

You simply can not be a cleric of aroden, some people still believe he is coming back, but those are not clerics. Some used to be clerics, but no longer.

and last time I check Jesus never granted spells :)

Here is my scenario if I was trying to justify the character's background. He grew up on a destitute farm barely clinging to some sandy soil in any number of countries. Then a charlatan masquerading as a priest of Aroden arrives in the village proclaiming Aroden's soon to be triumphant return. He performs some cantrips, reads some scripture, and petitions the townsfolk for offerings promising that Aroden will look after the town in the forth coming days. The crops grow taller that year. The harvest was bountiful. The farmers believe Aroden's cleric was the difference. My character, directly impacted by the bounty, offers to become the local representative of Aroden and organizes offerings and services.

The world at large may know of Aroden's demise and the effects but there are rural corners of the world that may not be so educated.

And there are people who believe Jesus grants cure light wounds.... and dispel magic and a host of other spells....


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LazarX wrote:
Aroden has been dead for centuries now. That anyone would still be worshipping him is bending the plausibility envelope to a severe degree.

History is alive with people worshipping dead gods. Ancestor worship is still practiced. What if the character believed Aroden died to save humanity and still exists in some capacity, trapped and in need of followers.

What if his family line passed down relics of the faith from generation to generation preaching Aroden's triumphant return?

Because we as readers all know that Aroden is dead, as in permanently dead, that doesn't mean the people of Golarion are so terribly sure.

Jesus died two thousand years ago. Ask his followers about plausibility.


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Gruuuu wrote:

I work in a retail business. I used to be in a customer facing position. I accepted the fact that I would occasionally get a customer who was irrational, antagonistic, deceitful, disrespectful, ignorant, and/or just an a@%$@%+. Some people are jerks, and don't worry, you'll have to deal with them eventually.

Ha! You're a better person than I. I too work in retail (managed an auto repair shop for the last eleven years) and I have no patience left. Years of abuse and trying to exceed expectations have left me shell shocked and ready to crack the "customer is always right" axiom with my hammer of jaded angst.

I tend toward squelching erratic customers wherever I encounter them as some form of occupational therapy.


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Gruuuu wrote:


Threads like these should be worth their... threadcount? in gold to Paizo.

Ultimately, I agree with you. Where I get frustrated is the tone that some people take when making their points. There is way too much antagonism and entitlement. Not just on this thread but on many others. And yea I get the irony.... I'm being antagonist in my response as well. I was never the better man with the turned cheek and all!

A company needs to know where it is erring, but I think there is a respectful way to express concerns. I dunno if it is gamers in general or a simple function of the Internet that many people are so inflammatory. I think this dilutes the position of the person raising the concern.

Plus, sometimes I really wonder if the Paizo staff members would find their time better served if they didn't have to react to random messageboard brush fires. Might give more time for that much vaunted editing.


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This thread has taught me that it is ridiculously easy to be an armchair game designer and publisher.

You know what I think the Internet needs? More unfounded opinions.


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Shadowborn wrote:

First I've heard of it. That website is...well, very pretty. I have to say that if the books are crammed with as much color art as they say and it's all the quality of the stuff on their site then, wow. How much do the rulebooks run?

Well for 73 bucks apparently I bought a core rulebook and the setting book. Worst case scenario, the art is fantastic and the maps were some of the best I've seen. It looks like it will be exciting to flip through at least.

From what little I gleaned through Google it is a Colombian company and they've been trying to release this game since 2008.

I don't ever go to Gencon, but it looks like they had a booth there at least one of those years.


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I was checking out at FRP games and suddenly this shiny game flashed into the new releases and began hypnotizing me. Then I noticed the stocking levels were plummeting from "Very Good" to "Low Stock" so I hurriedly ordered it on a whim. Anyone know anything about this game?

Eoris Essence.


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Bluenose wrote:


I'm not sure I agree that that's the logic. I think that the idea is that publishing a lot of material that most of your customers aren't interested in is a bad idea.

And that is where my gripe is! I'm a person on the Internet, so naturally I feel my way is best. At one point and time I believe people enjoyed fluff as part of their game world and were very interested in purchasing fluff centric products.

Yes, TSR went under, but they sold a bundle of boxed sets chronicling a score of vibrant, well developed settings. The reason given for their failure was that they fragmented their customer base. Ravenloft people bought Ravenloft and so on and so forth. But each of these settings had die hard fans that consumed all of the fluff available for their respective worlds.

Now the logic is customers aren't interested in fluff.

Why did this change? I have to believe that at one time customers were interested in fluff. In theory Forgotten Realms died under the weight of its fluff. People still wax reverently over Greyhawk and Dark Sun.
Why is fluff no longer viable?

I feel people switched to this rules! rules! mentality and in the process the game lost something.


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Bluenose wrote:

Frankly this seems odd, if you can only think of three campaign worlds getting regular support. There's far more than that.

I honestly can only think of a few. Golarion is the most developed followed by Hellfrost (even this is slim), L5R, and you're right Runequest and Glorantha have some support. I do have Runequest Empires but I wasn't that impressed with it.

What other big expansive campaign worlds are there?

Warhammer fantasy has switched to more of a player option/rules production line.

I think the 40k FFG lines are doing an admirable job.

I know the current logic is that if you produce multiple campaign worlds your company will collapse due to a fragmented customer base but sometimes I get the feeling that someone posted that TSR argument and everyone just kept reposting it blindly.

Yea, TSR went bankrupt but they had a long long run.

WEG had some great campaign worlds....Torg and tons of development for Star Wars.

What are the big campaign worlds receiving regular print support in your eyes?


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I agree wholeheartedly. I like to read rpg books as much as or sometimes even more than I enjoy playing. Slogging through rules and character options bores me to no end. The current line is that setting fluff is not in demand and buyers want to consume rules.

If you think about it with the exception of perhaps Legend of the 5 Rings and Golarion there is a notable lack of campaign worlds that are supported with more than two or three supplements.

Hellfrost from Savage Worlds has some meat.

I'm saddened by the move to rules! rules! rules! at least character upgrades and feats. The rules I want to see..... kingdom building....resource management.... are not in demand as of yet. I see evidence that is starting to change thankfully.


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bugleyman wrote:
Fnipernackle wrote:
dont like it, dont buy it.

*sigh*

For the umpteenth time, that doesn't solve the problem. Those who have thought it through -- whatever their ultimate preference -- understand that. As for the rest of you, well...I've got better things to do. :)

Can you elaborate on this?

I get the feeling that most people on these boards play with a gaggle of antagonistic strangers who demand every ornate, obscure option.

If you're playing with a group of people you know why doesn't it work to say... "Hey we are only using book x and y for this campaign." That seems sensible.

If you feel the game is saturated.... which I certainly understand, I for one don't like to slug through rules.... why does Paizo's production schedule affect you negatively?

Is it that you feel their resources can be better used elsewhere?

Or is it that your players or the people you game with insist on incorporating every option?

If it is the later doesn't that by default establish that there is an audience who wants these books and isn't it Paizo's best interest to pursue that market?


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Evil Lincoln wrote:


Hence, my question: If you don't want more mega-crunch books, what do you want instead?

Detailed resource management rules.... a system for diplomacy, guild management, merchant princes, mercenary companies, base building, colonies.

I would love to see a product like the old X-Com computer game where your purchased buildings and upgrades for a base and then built a layout using tiles.

Something along the Immortals box set. Becoming a demigod and advancing your faith with different styles of adventures.

Creating pocket dimensions.

Stronghold building.

Detailed siege, naval, and air warfare.


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Check out a 2nd edition product called Axe of the Dwarvish Lords


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Sinvel Menter wrote:

The thing that sucks is that the product is ready except for layout. Why can't the people who have paid for this at least get a word doc with the adventure and JPGs of the art and maps? That would take less than an hour to send out.

If the issue revolves around a lack of cash to fund the final printing and shipping of the books it would require the admission that the preorder funds were misappropriated.

That is a tough admission.

Again this is purely conjecture, but it seems the only logical theory at this point. Lack of capital again neatly explains the sluggish refund status as well.

I think the vast majority of us would prefer to hear such an admission

I think some of us would choose to help fund the final release of the project in exchange for some sort of patronage trinket.

Or at least kick the pdf out there and see if I would generate enough funds to finance the printing of the books.


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My worry is this.....

He took that money as preorders a couple years ago now.
That money has in theory been sitting in a holding account.

Life gets in the way. What if those funds were plundered because they were needed to pay down an unrelated bill or for an emergency?

The money to actually print and finalize the book may no longer be sitting in the preorder account. Without further sales increasing cash flows, and refunds actually decreasing cash on hand, there exists a very strong possibility that the money needed to print the books is no longer lingering in some holding account.

That would explain why the refunds are coming so slowly. He can only refund money if preorder money is still on hand or he has excess cash coming in from somewhere else.

Think of the costs associated with releasing the book. Print costs....shipping costs...

My self resistraint is marginal. If I had a slew of fresh cash sitting in an account, I could rationalize siphoning off a little here and there to patch holes in my life.

It could happen easily.

I am an accounting major. The little side blurbs in the text book are rife with stories that have fanned my paranoia.

My apologies in advance.


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Marc Radle wrote:

I thought I recalled a wereshark in D&D at one point. Am I nuts???

Night Howlers, I believe, was the supplement that included weresharks.


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Hello

Yesterday, I received order 1561144 and the box was mangled. All of the books packed toward the top of the box experienced varying degrees of damage.

I can live with most of the corner dings and bent edges but the back half of the Planet Stories Novel is twisted beyond repair and Dungeon issues 120, 121, 126, and 127 are torn and battered as well. Can I send back these items and get replacements?

Thank you.

Jeff


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Was it that offensive? Who knows what ideas the cloaked Writer X churned out? He was proud of his work. He felt it was originial and thought provoking. He felt that because the ideas were original and different they would be discarded in favor of more cookie cutter material.

Yes, someone should angle their writing for their audience, but at some point there needs to be paradigm shifts and new ideas. Sure proven ideas sell and harvesting a sure crop of sales is wonderful, but someone has to take a risk.

There could easily be past experiences that have jaded him some. He only asked that his full copy be read before a decision rendered.

His comments were not directly voiced to his customers and were perhaps influenced by the early hours. I've heard much worse uttered in an rpg store. I manage a business and I like 99 percent of my customers but behind closed doors I've leveled some tirade laced judgments. We have moments.

Selling what you write is important. But you can't tell me that is the only concern. God, I hope not. We'd all be writing jingles for big advertising if that was the case. Risks often fail. New ideas come crashing down, but sometimes they break through and that is where the genius lies. Writer X's end product could have been a lump of coal. I have no idea. But sometimes you have to worry about if the product is good, the idea intriguing, and let the sales come later.


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Reworded this entire thread should simply read....

Posters: The sacred prostitute thing just doesn't offend most of us. We're sorry you feel that way Man in Black. I guess we all have varying levels of tastes and ideas of what should be included in game.

Man in Black: Yeah, I find it slightly offensive. It's kinda funny how somethings bother people and don't bother others. I thought others would be more turned off by it. I guess I just won't include it in my game.

Posters: Cool man. Enjoy. Here are some scissors so you can cut the offending page out of the book.


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Packing Peanut Local Union 712 objects to this whole thread.


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If you could please delete 1x Greyhawk Poster Map: Upper Left Quadrant from my sidecart....

I went ahead and added the package four map deal into my cart.


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I've summed this up in another post....

If you think about it they are making a boxed set. Soon We'll have the new revised campaign setting hard cover. At the same time a map folio will be released detailing the lands within the setting book. In addition a player's primer is on the schedule. These three books grouped together fill the contents of a box set. The page count is higher. The maps are bigger but the classic formula of GM's book, players book, and maps is all there.


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Am I the only one here who really wants to see a white guy playing Shaft?

Shut your mouth....please.


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Jeff Cope wrote:

Resurrecting an old thread to see if there's been anymore discussion about prints based on Planet Stories covers.

I think it's a fabulous idea!

Just a suggestion.... I have bought posters from This Place.

They have some great pulp and old sci fi covers from back in the day. The printing quality ain't top notch but they look pretty good framed.


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Draconic Mage wrote:

I heard that one at work:

Co-worker 1: "They're just trying to think outside the box."
Co-worker 2: "Yeah, but their box is reality!"

yeah I got a dirty look for something like that last week.

Manager : You need to think outside the box
Me: Isn't thinking outside the box, an inside the box idea?

I personally hate.....

False mission statements

Offices smeared with inspirational posters boiling with employees that suck the life out of every molecule of hope and well being

Terms such as TNTF = which in the tire business means.... Too New To Fire. Unfortunately the buffer only lasts a couple weeks before you are SOL.

We've got to focus!

Get back to the basics!

Mandatory conference calls for salaried managers that run a half hour after the shift ends where the district manager screeches about employees reading a magazine on the clock, labeling them as time thieving miscreants.

we're rolling out this pay plan to be more competitive......

oh and how can I forget my company's unofficial motto.... It is what it is ------ which basically means, I am too stupid to understand the underlying causes of the problem, nor do I want to direct my energy at solving the problem. Stop bothering me or I will fire you and replace you with another employee like a dimwit hammering a square block into a round hole at an IQ test.


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How can we forget........
......
.......
.........
Baltimora!

Tarzan Boy!


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Swordsmasher wrote:
What is a gish?

A gish is a concept that sucks the life out of a forum and spurs its community into a senseless frenzy of wordy carnage. Armed with a barrage of terms only employed to levy arguments on the internet such as vitriolic, obstructionist, false argument, and strawman, posters will wage a war of uselessness. The gish is a subtle Typhoid Mary of dissension.

Used as a verb...

I gished up that forum so bad the argument spilled into every crevice of the message board.


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Pay some poor mercenary mooks to poison the wells.

Produce paper work revealing the benefactors desire to slaughter the nomads.

The party arrives in time to save the nomads from the posioned wells.

The party executes the mercenary mooks responsible.

The party then uses spells to kick up wind storms on the horizons. Stories are spread that an army is approaching through the haze of sand to finish off the nomads.

Then the party explains some kind of death star weakness in the benefactors fortress of strength.

The party gathers the nomad warriors by their side to lead a strike against the benefactor's weakness.

The women and children are sent to a safehouse oasis which is a death trap.

The party leads the nomads to an ambush and finishes them.


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Urizen wrote:
Anyone want to take a stab at the LGS male customer stereotypes?

fat guy with a beard

skinny guy with a pony tail

edit: and then me.... medium build with shaven head


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James Jacobs wrote:

would folks like to see us do more art contests like this? Let us know in the comments to this post!

Who doesn't love contests. Now unfortunately for me I can't draw and I ain't much of a writer. How bout a contest that appeals to my unique skill sets?

An autographed book rewarded to the contestant able to remove and replace the alternator on a Paizo staffer's car in the fastest time frame.

Then I could win something!


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MerrikCale wrote:
I suppose they wont destroy this setting

In theory the setting has already been destroyed. Worst case scenario WOTC transforms the world into a garden of lush, vibrant vegetation populated by vegan Halfling pacifists and benevolent tyrant kings overseeing flourishing fledgling democratic city states. Points of Light in this case refers to the poetic lightning bugs drifting along the gentle wind currents caressing the edges of the Sea of Fertile Top Soil.

Beware the slogan.....We went ahead and terraformed the whole setting from orbit.

Beware.

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