How come I didn't get a snarky response, but Scott did?
Jealousy aside, today is the last day of my vacation. A return to work should fill up my time enough that I don't fall to the compulsion to post in threads like these.
Perhaps asking people questions comes off differently than accusing them of something? But if you want abuse, well...let's see...I'm sure I can come up with something. Your mamma? Nah, I'm not in the mood. Enjoy the twilight hours of your vacation.
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...and assuming you own a cat, well you guessed it, your cat also sucks.
As this comment wasn't directed at me, I was going to let it pass without saying anything. But, as my cat is the Ur-Cat, she insists that I tell you that, you, in fact, suck (and she wanted me to add "and suck hard"), for saying any feline sucks.
;)
Oh, and play nice guys. The "mine is bigger than yours" is so passe...
:)
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...and assuming you own a cat, well you guessed it, your cat also sucks.As this comment wasn't directed at me, I was going to let it pass without saying anything. But, as my cat is the Ur-Cat, she insists that I tell you that, you, in fact, suck (and she wanted me to add "and suck hard"), for saying any feline sucks.
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Oh, and play nice guys. The "mine is bigger than yours" is so passe...
:)
Ok I got a new one.
"People who own and like cats are better people than those who own and like dogs".
Discuss.
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...and assuming you own a cat, well you guessed it, your cat also sucks.As this comment wasn't directed at me, I was going to let it pass without saying anything. But, as my cat is the Ur-Cat, she insists that I tell you that, you, in fact, suck (and she wanted me to add "and suck hard"), for saying any feline sucks.
;)
Oh, and play nice guys. The "mine is bigger than yours" is so passe...
:)
Ok I got a new one.
"People who own and like cats are better people than those who own and like dogs".
Discuss.
Well, obviously. Dog owners eat babies and piss on old ladies. I thought this was common knowledge...
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Well, obviously. Dog owners eat babies and piss on old ladies. I thought this was common knowledge...
That is so strange, my cat told me exactly the same thing. This must be some sort of genetic "cat memory" shared by all felines. And as cats don't lie, well except for when they think they can gain some sort of benefit from lying, it must be true.
Interesting,
S.
PS: For those feeling left out because you don't have a cat or dog, either (a) go get one, or (b) cat = Pathfinder RPG & dog = 4e.
PS: For those feeling left out because you don't have a cat or dog, either (a) go get one, or (b) cat = Pathfinder RPG & dog = 4e.
What if you successfuly create a genetic crossbreeed that bridges the gap between canines and felines?
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Well, obviously. Dog owners eat babies and piss on old ladies. I thought this was common knowledge...
That is so strange, my cat told me exactly the same thing. This must be some sort of genetic "cat memory" shared by all felines. And as cats don't lie, well accept for when they think they can gain some sort of benefit from lying, it must be true.
Interesting,
S.PS: For those feeling left out because you don't have a cat or dog, either (a) go get one, or (b) cat = Pathfinder RPG & dog = 4e.
I've got both! (huh, that applies for both the literal and metaphorical cases)
4e keeps pooping and peeing on the floor, though. Um, I mean the dog. :)
Enjoy the twilight hours of your vacation.You do mean the last hours of the vacation or are you implying ghettowedge is reading Twilight? And you said you weren't in the mood to insult people. You tease.
S.
It was more insidious than that. I was actually signaling my vampire allies to descend on GW's house, feed on him, destroy all his 4e stuff, and take all remaining game stuff I could use. This nice guy stuff is just a facade. Super-sneaky evil, that's me. Thus I was advising GW to enjoy the "twilight" of his vacation, ie, the end of his life. Now you satisfied?
Moorluck, we need to talk rabbits some time. I've wondered about what kind of pet they would make. A famous poet kept them...I think it was Cowper. My fickle cat abandoned me.
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It was more insidious than that. I was actually signaling my vampire allies to descend on GW's house, feed on him, destroy all his 4e stuff, and take all remaining game stuff I could use. This nice guy stuff is just a facade. Super-sneaky evil, that's me. Thus I was advising GW to enjoy the "twilight" of his vacation, ie, the end of his life. Now you satisfied?Enjoy the twilight hours of your vacation.You do mean the last hours of the vacation or are you implying ghettowedge is reading Twilight? And you said you weren't in the mood to insult people. You tease.
S.
Wouldn't it be more evil to have your vampires "goth" him up and force him to play WoD? :)
(And really, I'm just making fun of the misperception of WoD players. Really.)
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Moorluck, we need to talk rabbits some time. I've wondered about what kind of pet they would make. A famous poet kept them...I think it was Cowper. My fickle cat abandoned me.
IMO they are better than dogs or cats, they are easy to house break, don't bark, tend to be friendly and when they do have an accident it's an easy clean. Mine does just fine free roaming the house or when he goes out on his leash. Did I mention they don't bark? 'Cause that's my favorite part. Finder Wyvernfur is pretty good with the kids to.
IMO they are better than dogs or cats, they are easy to house break, don't bark, tend to be friendly and when they do have an accident it's an easy clean. Mine does just fine free roaming the house or when he goes out on his leash. Did I mention they don't bark? 'Cause that's my favorite part. Finder Wyvernfur is pretty good with the kids to.
Cool. How do you housebreak a rabbit?
It was more insidious than that. I was actually signaling my vampire allies to descend on GW's house, feed on him, destroy all his 4e stuff, and take all remaining game stuff I could use. This nice guy stuff is just a facade. Super-sneaky evil, that's me. Thus I was advising GW to enjoy the "twilight" of his vacation, ie, the end of his life. Now you satisfied?Enjoy the twilight hours of your vacation.You do mean the last hours of the vacation or are you implying ghettowedge is reading Twilight? And you said you weren't in the mood to insult people. You tease.
S.
Wouldn't it be more evil to have your vampires "goth" him up and force him to play WoD? :)
(And really, I'm just making fun of the misperception of WoD players. Really.)
I think they just do that sort of thing on their own. My orders only have to do with inflammatory and self-acquisitory acts upon their gaming materials.,
Unfortunately rabbits tend to nibble.
Ooo...that would not be good.
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It was more insidious than that. I was actually signaling my vampire allies to descend on GW's house, feed on him, destroy all his 4e stuff, and take all remaining game stuff I could use. This nice guy stuff is just a facade. Super-sneaky evil, that's me. Thus I was advising GW to enjoy the "twilight" of his vacation, ie, the end of his life. Now you satisfied?
Not saying I knew it, but I knew it.
It is an exception based system so it is not coherent throughout (ie monsters operate differently from pc's and even monsters of the same type can have a power with the same name but have vastly different affects Cyclops evil eye being an example).
Isn't that actually more in spirit with pre-3ed versions?
It is an exception based system so it is not coherent throughout (ie monsters operate differently from pc's and even monsters of the same type can have a power with the same name but have vastly different affects Cyclops evil eye being an example).Isn't that actually more in spirit with pre-3ed versions?
That sure does sound like 1st/2nd Edition D&D to me? :)
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Moorluck, we need to talk rabbits some time. I've wondered about what kind of pet they would make. A famous poet kept them...I think it was Cowper. My fickle cat abandoned me.IMO they are better than dogs or cats, they are easy to house break, don't bark, tend to be friendly and when they do have an accident it's an easy clean. Mine does just fine free roaming the house or when he goes out on his leash. Did I mention they don't bark? 'Cause that's my favorite part. Finder Wyvernfur is pretty good with the kids to.
And when they don't listen to you, they make good stews :)
{ducks}
In some ways these sorts of discussions often depress me as they tend to polarise people around the issues that divide them. To be fair, there are a lot of open minded people on these forums and the discussions are often polite and civil and there are posters who often give me new insights or understanding on the issues under discussion even if I don't necessarily agree with their POV. I just hope that this thread stays on the thought provoking side of things.
With reference to the OT, I read Peterson's comments being more about the inability to get retailers & distributors interested in 3PPs for 4E. He apportioned some blame for this at WotC's door due the fact that the GSL wasn't ready in time for 3PPs to be ready for the 4E launch, but he didn't seem to be commenting on the restrictiveness or otherwise of the current GSL (I can't recall if he said anything about earlier versions of the GSL). I think his comments have merit, but they do leave me wondering how much of this retailer and distributor reluctance is also due to the realities of the current economic downturn.
Having read several posts by Paizo staff members which refer to the realities of the publishing trade they have to deal with when getting their products into print, I have no doubt that it is a difficult industry to make a profit from in the best of times. I'm not saying WotC is without blame for the current lack of 3P support for 4E, but I don't think that retailer & distributor reluctance towards 3PPs is exclusively due to WotC tardiness in releasing a workable GSL.
I'm not saying that the move away from the OGL model to a more restrictive GSL for 4E was a good one for WotC to make but without knowing the business (or other) reasons behind it I'm not in a position to make any judgements about why they made this decision. I do think that WotC has made a number of what I would call bad decisions recently, but I have to assume that they have been made for some reason other than to upset portions of the D&D fanbase. Unfortunately it's often not apparent what those reasons are, or worse, the stated reasons don't seem to adequately explain the whole story.
I've previously stated that WotC could learn a lot about communicating with its customers from our hosts here at Paizo. I don't think it's solely due to Paizo being a smaller, more responsive and (IMO) customer focused company, but larger companies often seem to have difficulties in this area. If the WotC game designers & editorial staff were frequent posters on their own boards and were communicating openly and honestly about the reasons behind their decisions, then I'm sure that the community would have a lot more respect (or at least tolerance) for the company. WotC may also need to improve it's communication with other players in the industry (particularly third party publishers) but that's not something I have direct knowledge of.
Personally, I'm glad that Paizo seems to be making the most of the opportunities available to it. I wish them every luck with the PFRPG even though I'm not likely to play it anytime soon (unless my 3.5 DM decides to switch) and I constantly look forward to their APs and Chronicles/Companion products even if they take a little time to get to this part of the world...
I'm about to leave for work, and I wish the vamps had come. I think they might have went to my old address.
With reference to the OT, I read Peterson's comments being more about the inability to get retailers & distributors interested in 3PPs for 4E. He apportioned some blame for this at WotC's door due the fact that the GSL wasn't ready in time for 3PPs to be ready for the 4E launch, but he didn't seem to be commenting on the restrictiveness or otherwise of the current GSL (I can't recall if he said anything about earlier versions of the GSL). I think his comments have merit, but they do leave me wondering how much of this retailer and distributor reluctance is also due to the realities of the current economic downturn.
This is very likely. Your further comment that the RPG "industry" is a pretty marginal business also seems very likely. With the current market conditions I doubt that many distributers (or retailers) have a lot of cash to risk on something relatively unknown.
I've previously stated that WotC could learn a lot about communicating with its customers from our hosts here at Paizo. I don't think it's solely due to Paizo being a smaller, more responsive and (IMO) customer focused company, but larger companies often seem to have difficulties in this area. If the WotC game designers & editorial staff were frequent posters on their own boards and were communicating openly and honestly about the reasons behind their decisions, then I'm sure that the community would have a lot more respect (or at least tolerance) for the company. WotC may also need to improve it's communication with other players in the industry (particularly third party publishers) but that's not something I have direct knowledge of.
Remember, that Paizo has the advantage of owning itself. This does make it more able to be responsive, then would the limb of a large corporation.
My fickle cat abandoned me.
Mairkurion, you're a good man, but I'm afraid I have to tell you that, if your cat left you, then perhaps you don't possess the required levels of coolness for a cat to stay.
(either that, or it was a male cat and you got him while he was still young, thus his instinct to find his own territory kicked in while under your care so he left. Try a female cat)
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If the WotC game designers & editorial staff were frequent posters on their own boards and were communicating openly and honestly about the reasons behind their decisions, then I'm sure that the community would have a lot more respect (or at least tolerance) for the company.
Agreed. It sure seems like wizards live up to their name by living in tall 'ivory towers.' There was a time when anything negative said about 4e was prohibited from their boards - I don't know if that's still true. But the issues run much deeper than any product changes - its the shift toward a strategy that doesn't seem to have the best interests of the community in mind. And, completely aside, I do not subscribe to the idea that d&d is on a 4-year cycle where the same books are re-imagined time and time again. This has struck me as a model designed to bring new designers in as Freshman, soak-up their ideas, get materials out the door, and fire them over the Thanksgiving holiday. Apparently seasonal firings of good designers are also a trend there. What an oppressive environment - no wonder the staff seems to be more focused on marketing team initiatives than the interests or heart of the community...
My rabbit says that both dogs and cats suck, but it may just be the booze talking.
Who said rabbit stew? Ah'm HunGRAH!
My rabbit says that both dogs and cats suck, but it may just be the booze talking.Who said rabbit stew? Ah'm HunGRAH!
I don't know. A stew made by a rabbit would tend to be vegitarian if not vegan. :)
I read the statement by Clark that initiated this thread and two things jumped out at me.
1) Clark suggested that the time span between when 4e was released and 3PPs for it were were released, reduced the desire for distributors and sellers to purchase 3PP stuff. Assuming that is true, with respect to PFRPG, has Paizo been giving out the core rules to 3P so that there is not the same span of time between the release of the core rules and 3PP?
2) Clark says that 3e with its OGL was "a revival of all that was great from the early years of the game". Yet, wasn't the early years of the game a setting where TSR went after anyone that tried to infringe on their intellectual property? That is hardly the flavor of the OGL in 3e. I wonder if in this case Clark is using rose-tinted glasses to peer into the past. From least restrict to most restrictive it has been, 3.xe, 4e, pre-3e. Even the worst version of the GSL was better than what was out there before 3e for 3P.
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1) Clark suggested that the time span between when 4e was released and 3PPs for it were were released, reduced the desire for distributors and sellers to purchase 3PP stuff. Assuming that is true, with respect to PFRPG, has Paizo been giving out the core rules to 3P so that there is not the same span of time between the release of the core rules and 3PP?
Yes. We have been sending out preview copies of the core rules for many weeks now. There should be a number of 3PP's having products ready for the release of the game in August.
-Lisa
Yes. We have been sending out preview copies of the core rules for many weeks now. There should be a number of 3PP's having products ready for the release of the game in August.
-Lisa
Good to know.
My fickle cat abandoned me.Mairkurion, you're a good man, but I'm afraid I have to tell you that, if your cat left you, then perhaps you don't possess the required levels of coolness for a cat to stay.
(either that, or it was a male cat and you got him while he was still young, thus his instinct to find his own territory kicked in while under your care so he left. Try a female cat)
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Ghettowedge, sorry about the vampires. They're not as reliable as everyone thinks.
Miphon, welcome! Thing is, as a consumer, I judge a company as a consumer. To take a flippant example, Solyent Green might be a great business plan, but as a consumer, I'm having troubles with it on multiple examples. ;)
1) Clark suggested that the time span between when 4e was released and 3PPs for it were were released, reduced the desire for distributors and sellers to purchase 3PP stuff. Assuming that is true, with respect to PFRPG, has Paizo been giving out the core rules to 3P so that there is not the same span of time between the release of the core rules and 3PP?Yes. We have been sending out preview copies of the core rules for many weeks now. There should be a number of 3PP's having products ready for the release of the game in August.
-Lisa
Edit: I'm disappointed that the GSL hijinks may not only have cost both the 3.x and 4.x a stream of Necromancer print material, it also may mean the ToH: Pathfinder is stuck as PDF :-(
I really would like to hear something regarding this. I certainly HOPE not.
I can't put my finger on the reason, but I find that I don't have anywhere near the appetite for 3pp's for 4e as I did for 3e.
Apparently, neither do retailers and/or distributors, which is what Clark's post is really about. Necromancer Games is not doing print products because Clark can't find enough locations willing to carry them. Goodman Games seems to be doing fine in that area, but Goodman himself said that's likely because he goes out of his way to foster a healthy relationship with retailers.
Clark's post, for those who haven't read it, has very little, if anything, to do with the GSL.
I can't put my finger on the reason, but I find that I don't have anywhere near the appetite for 3pp's for 4e as I did for 3e.Apparently, neither do retailers and/or distributors, which is what Clark's post is really about. Necromancer Games is not doing print products because Clark can't find enough locations willing to carry them. Goodman Games seems to be doing fine in that area, but Goodman himself said that's likely because he goes out of his way to foster a healthy relationship with retailers.
Clark's post, for those who haven't read it, has very little, if anything, to do with the GSL.
I reread Clarks post after reading yours because I too thought it was about the GSL.
The problem (or one of them anyway) as I understand it is that distribution channels and shelf space previously allocated to 3pp 3e products were assigned to other products when 4e launched and there were no 3pp to put next to them. The reason for that of course was the lack of a decent GSL.
Right now, I don't know if the GSL is acceptable to other publishers. Even if it is, I don't know if retailers are willing to free up shelf space for new 3pp products.
I can't put my finger on the reason, but I find that I don't have anywhere near the appetite for 3pp's for 4e as I did for 3e.Apparently, neither do retailers and/or distributors, which is what Clark's post is really about. Necromancer Games is not doing print products because Clark can't find enough locations willing to carry them. Goodman Games seems to be doing fine in that area, but Goodman himself said that's likely because he goes out of his way to foster a healthy relationship with retailers.
Clark's post, for those who haven't read it, has very little, if anything, to do with the GSL.
I reread Clarks post after reading yours because I too thought it was about the GSL.
The problem (or one of them anyway) as I understand it is that distribution channels and shelf space previously allocated to 3pp 3e products were assigned to other products when 4e launched and there were no 3pp to put next to them. The reason for that of course was the lack of a decent GSL.
Right now, I don't know if the GSL is acceptable to other publishers. Even if it is, I don't know if retailers are willing to free up shelf space for new 3pp products.
Seems like Goodman made a pretty good decision, getting in on the ground floor. Now they have their area marked out while other 3pp are struggling to find space.
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Stuff.
If you got the name Miphon where I think you did, I assume you're well aware of this?
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Stuff.If you got the name Miphon where I think you did, I assume you're well aware of this?
Finally!
But no Neversh on the cover...
Mona - any chance of Planet Stories doing another anthology, but this time of old hard-to-find stories? I just read Merritt's Woman of the Woods, which I had never heard of, by finding it in an old anthology, The Dark Imagination, and wondered just how many gems are out there that I'd likely never find.
If you got the name Miphon where I think you did, I assume you're well aware of this?
Yep, you've correctly worked out where I got the name from. :D
I'm happy that you're going to be able to get Hugh Cook's work into print again as it remains one of my favourite fantasy series even after all this time (and The Walrus and the Warwolf is definitely one of the best in the series).
The fact that the author was living in NZ when he wrote the series has absolutely nothing to do with why I like it. Not even a little bit... :P
Correction: The anthology is entitled Dark Imaginings.
Fair enough. A fairly appropriate mockup, given the ship... but I'd like to see some pirates or some Swarms featured myself (the copy I have has a Neversh flying above the Warwolf).That's a mock-up cover, I'm afraid. We haven't ordered the real cover yet.
I loved the Chronicles of an Age of Darkness. Sadly I didn't get all the way through them. Glambrax the Dwarf and Alkor Alish (Not sure of the spelling any more I read them about 15 years ago)were some of my favourite characters. It was a seriously twisted serries of books but in a good way.
We tried to base a OD&D campaign around it...
Now this is a golden example of responsiveness:
1) Clark suggested that the time span between when 4e was released and 3PPs for it were were released, reduced the desire for distributors and sellers to purchase 3PP stuff. Assuming that is true, with respect to PFRPG, has Paizo been giving out the core rules to 3P so that there is not the same span of time between the release of the core rules and 3PP?
And then this:
Yes. We have been sending out preview copies of the core rules for many weeks now. There should be a number of 3PP's having products ready for the release of the game in August.
-Lisa
Time between initial post and response: 1 hour, 6 minutes.
This is how a company builds customer loyalty, instead of just customer preference from a good product.
Good point, Dragonchess Player. Just one instance of what Paizo does everyday to inspire (fanatical) loyalty.
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I have friends who love it, because it plays more like a high-speed video game than does 3.5. Of course, they still play fast and...
If 4E plays like a high-speed video game, I'd hate to see what a slow speed video game plays like. This is not necessarily an attack on 4e but a personal observation. For example, I know of a Living Forgotten Realms session played this weekend that took from 1PM on Saturday to 4:30 AM on Sunday to complete, primarily due to the horrifically long combats. It was twice as long as the usual LFR modules, but this is still utterly ridiculous. From my own personal experience and that of others, this is typical of 4E. Wasn't one of the chief goals of 4E to speed up gameplay? Then when they discovered that that wasn't the case, they backpedaled and said "But the rounds are faster." which still isn't exactly true all of the time. When the rounds do go faster than 3.5, you still have about 2-3 times more rounds than in 3.5, so I don't see a real improvement.