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I didn't want to threadjack the GM's Reward discussion, so:
I'm curious, how many scenarios has everyone actually eaten? Is there anyone posting here who has had to eat every scenario? If so, when will you ever get to play if no one in your group ever shoulders the GM's mantle?
My local group has 15 Player/GMs who each agree to eat one scenario for the group, thus easing the overall responsibility. In order to get things rolling and prep in time for conventions I have eaten three scenarios. That's not really so bad, so I'm not going to throw a fit if I don't get full gold, XP, PA & access each time I make the sacrifice.
How many have you guys eaten and how far up-to-date are you with the release schedule?
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I didn't want to threadjack the GM's Reward discussion, so:
I'm curious, how many scenarios has everyone actually eaten? Is there anyone posting here who has had to eat every scenario? If so, when will you ever get to play if no one in your group ever shoulders the GM's mantle?
My local group has 15 Player/GMs who each agree to eat one scenario for the group, thus easing the overall responsibility. In order to get things rolling and prep in time for conventions I have eaten three scenarios. That's not really so bad, so I'm not going to throw a fit if I don't get full gold, XP, PA & access each time I make the sacrifice.
How many have you guys eaten and how far up-to-date are you with the release schedule?
My home group have played all the scenarios up to #14, Many Fortunes of GrandMaster Torch. So far I've played 5 scenarios and I've eaten 8 scenarios. (Between home games and conventions I think I've run 15 Pathfinder Society games) With PaizoCon UK I'll be eating 5 more scenarios.
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I've run 25 sessions, including the following scenarios:
#1 Silent Tide
#2 The Hydra's Fang Incident
#3 Murder on the Silken Caravan
#4 The Frozen Fingers of Midnight
#5 Mists of Mwangi
#6 Black Waters
#7 Among the Living
#8 Slave Pits of Absalom
#9 Eye of the Crocodile King
#10 Blood at Dralkard Manor
#13 The Prince of Augustana
#15 The Asmodeus Mirage
#17 Perils of the Pirate Pact
So far, I've eaten 13 scenarios.
I've played #11 The Third Riddle and #12 Stay of Execution.
Using Josh's proposed GM rewards, I would have a 5th level character ready to play now; or 6th level, counting the two sceanrios I've already played.
I've also read a couple of other scenarios in preparation to run them.
I've eaten four scenarios. #4 #8 #14 and #18.
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I've eaten #1, #7, #9, #16 and #19, played 14 out of the twenty and DM'd a total of 19 game sessions.
Having eaten those five puts me at 5xp or almost 2 levels less than the most active players in our group. In about a dozen scenarios more the level gap will most likely be enough that I won't be able to attend the same games as the guys who play every scenario that comes out.
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They were all really tasty too!I have eaten every single scenario that is currently out.Would seem I have some catching up to do! :-)
Did you burn the PDFs to a CD or print them all out before eating them? Eating a CD would probably be much more efficient, but I think paper might be slightly easier on the digestive tract. That'd be a LOOOOOT of paper, though.
Hello to all of you "eaters" :)
As one would expect, by now a lot of mods have been DMed and played. Yet, I see very few comments being posted under the PFS scenarios "Product Reviews" or "Product Discussion" threads. I believe it would be of great help to both Josh and the authors to know what you liked and didn't like about the various mods. The more feedback, the better. Seeing how constructive feedback seems to helps the PF APs, I'm sure good stuff could come out it in PFS too...
I've been doing my 'reviews' under GM discussion. I suppose I could go through them and rewrite them for non-spoilery goodness.
What I'm saying is just: making yourself heard is always good... For me GM Discussion threads are good too. Just that, some of these threads have less posts than this one, which might suggest that not everyone's posting there. Maybe players get shy to thread the holy grounds of DMs :)
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I have eaten 7 scenarios (see below) and played none. I will hopefully get to play some at PaizoCon UK.
PFS#01 Silent Tide (run twice, once at IndieCon & once for my D&D Meetup group)
PFS#02 The Hydra's Fang Incident (run once for my D&D Meetup group)
PFS#03 Murder on the Silk Caravan (bought in order to run with my D&D Meetup group)
PFS#04 The Frozen Fingers of Midnight (bought in order to run with my D&D Meetup group)
PFS#08 Slave Pits of Absalom (run once at Conception 2009)
PFS#09 Eye of the Crocodile King (run once at Conception 2009)
PFS#11 The Third Riddle (run once at Conception 2009)
Can someone define "eaten" for me? Sorry, I need to get up on the lingo I guess, but I am hoping to bring Pathfinder orgainzed play to our meetups once the book is out and am just getting started with this.
If you run a scenario for your group and you have not yet played in that scenario, then you are unable to ever have a character play in that scenario. Therefore, you "ate it."
Really? Wow. Thanks for the information. Suddenly I feel a lot less enthused to run these adventures. I'll look for someone to run them so I can be a player instead.
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Really? Wow. Thanks for the information. Suddenly I feel a lot less enthused to run these adventures. I'll look for someone to run them so I can be a player instead.
No no, run some scenarios and dub others as your subordinates so you may rotate the master's duty allowing everyone to taste of the crook and flail. Evangelize my weary zealot! I bid thee shepherd for Pathfinder, beget acolytes to flourish into the role champions of gospel, lest we bearers of the sacred flame be run out by vagabond merchants claiming arcane might from the Pacific.
Oh, and by EoD Saturday I'll have eaten 1-19.
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I've eaten four, "Murder on the Silken Caravan", "Blood at Dralkard Manor", "Stay of Execution" and "Perils of the Pirate Pact".
Since I've now got two dead PCs, one of them with most of the published scenarios under his belt and his body unrecoverable, I'll probably be eating a lot more in the near future, since I have no business playing them with a 2nd-level character.
I've eaten four, "Murder on the Silken Caravan", "Blood at Dralkard Manor", "Stay of Execution" and "Perils of the Pirate Pact".
Since I've now got two dead PCs, one of them with most of the published scenarios under his belt and his body unrecoverable, I'll probably be eating a lot more in the near future, since I have no business playing them with a 2nd-level character.
I guess I don't see any incentive to run games. I pay (or the FLGS pays)$4 for the module, I read it (time), I study it (time), I learn it to the point that can be smoothly run (time), run it (time)... never get to play it (no fun).
Is there a point to why someone who has run the adventure can't play in it?
Sorry, didn't mean to derail this conversation. I have "eaten" zero, played two, and probably will never "eat" a module. Perhaps I should find another thread with these concerns, I can't have been the only one to ask this and feel this way.
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I guess I don't see any incentive to run games. I pay (or the FLGS pays)$4 for the module, I read it (time), I study it (time), I learn it to the point that can be smoothly run (time), run it (time)... never get to play it (no fun).
Am I correct in assuming you consider GM:ing a tedious, time-consuming chore? You must be doing something wrong.
I guess I don't see any incentive to run games. I pay (or the FLGS pays)$4 for the module, I read it (time), I study it (time), I learn it to the point that can be smoothly run (time), run it (time)... never get to play it (no fun).Am I correct in assuming you consider GM:ing a tedious, time-consuming chore? You must be doing something wrong.
No, I rather enjoy DMing, I do it most of the time, hence my concern. If I can't play in mods I have DMed... I'll rarely get to play at all. *That* would not be very fun.
Edit: And my question was why even bother with the rule at all, not if I enjoyed DMing or not.
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I guess I don't see any incentive to run games. I pay (or the FLGS pays)$4 for the module, I read it (time), I study it (time), I learn it to the point that can be smoothly run (time), run it (time)... never get to play it (no fun).Am I correct in assuming you consider GM:ing a tedious, time-consuming chore? You must be doing something wrong.No, I rather enjoy DMing, I do it most of the time, hence my concern. If I can't play in mods I have DMed... I'll rarely get to play at all. *That* would not be very fun.
Edit: And my question was why even bother with the rule at all, not if I enjoyed DMing or not.
Perhaps you can use it as incentive for your other group members to take up the mantle of DM from time to time. As in, "I ate the last two scenarios, and now would like to play one. Its your turn to eat one." If everyone takes turns, everyone has fun and stays on a fairly even level.
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There's the third alternative, of course: purchase, prepare and present scenarios which you've already played through. You get the thrill of playing, and then the fun of DMing. There's no rewards for that currently -- and according to Josh's proposed awards scheme, there would be drastically reduced rewards for that next year, relative to voluntarily "eating" scenarios-- but you get to see your friends' PCs advance in power, or die terrifying deaths, and that's always nice.
Perhaps you can use it as incentive for your other group members to take up the mantle of DM from time to time. As in, "I ate the last two scenarios, and now would like to play one. Its your turn to eat one." If everyone takes turns, everyone has fun and stays on a fairly even level.I guess I don't see any incentive to run games. I pay (or the FLGS pays)$4 for the module, I read it (time), I study it (time), I learn it to the point that can be smoothly run (time), run it (time)... never get to play it (no fun).Am I correct in assuming you consider GM:ing a tedious, time-consuming chore? You must be doing something wrong.No, I rather enjoy DMing, I do it most of the time, hence my concern. If I can't play in mods I have DMed... I'll rarely get to play at all. *That* would not be very fun.
Edit: And my question was why even bother with the rule at all, not if I enjoyed DMing or not.
Incentive? That's not incentive to get people to run games, it's a guilt trip. "Look guys, I ran two scenarios so unless someone else steps up I am going to get tired of it and stop running them."
I can honestly say that if GMs have to eat modules, it's going to be a tough sell to the regular DMs at my meetups. That's not to say that new GMs won't show up and want to run PFS at the meetup, but the existing population probably won't bite. This is my concern with the current setup.
I'd love to see pathfinder succeed at our meetups. I'll wait to see what turns up.
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I don't see it as a guilt trip, I see it as reality. Someone has to run. If you don't like running, then get someone else to do it. I personally like to run games for my friends and provide them with an enjoyable experience. I guess the incentive for me is to have a good time and hang out with my friends.
But playing in a game that you have already read, already run, and know everything that is going to happen before it happens? I find that pointless. That's like going out into the woods to kill pigs until you reach 50th level. Really, what's the point?
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If everyone sits on their hands and waits for someone else to GM first, there'll be no games played .. ever! Put it like this to your players, and then all take your fair turn GMing and playing games.
Personally, I really enjoy GMing. Sure, it requires a lot more preparation than being a player, but the enjoyment makes it worthwhile.
Players enjoy playing D&D for it's entertainment value. Well, once I started GMing Pathfinder Society sessions for my players and at local conventions, I realised that the entertainment flows both ways. I provide the stage, and the players step and and entertain me for four hours! Despite how many times I've read the script, the players inevitably surprise me with their own unpredictable performances.
This is why I GM. I can run the same scenario for four different groups, and never see it played the same way twice. It never gets boring.
Could I have played the scenarios before GMing them? Sure, but I've met some great guys from Melbourne, Geelong, Sydney and New Zealand who each took the experience away and are now running these scenarios for their friends.
Remember, Pathfinder Society is still in it's first year, word is still getting around. The Pathfinder RPG core rulebook releases this August, and that should attract more players to the game.
Spread the love, build the Pathfinder community - as more GMs introduce the Society to their friends, the player-base will grow, eventually others will step up to GM scenarios for you.
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I've only burned two mods, though more are in the future for me. Our group has three DMs who are more willing to burn mods (myself, my brother, and one other), though some of the others will if necessary (my only restriction is that I will not burn Qadira based adventures).
For me, I DM because one, in my group, I was the person who was pushing really hard for everyone to start playing Pathfinder in general, Pathfinder Society specifically. I felt that since I was the one trying to get it started, I might as well take the hit and burn mods so that everyone can get into it. The second reason is that I feel like I am, honestly, not a very good DM; by running scenarios with my friends, I feel like I'm getting better at things such as improvising and preparing.
I really would like to see some DM rewards, but even if there aren't any, I still wouldn't mind burning adventures. I'm probably in the minority in that, though.
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I've only burned two mods, though more are in the future for me. Our group has three DMs who are more willing to burn mods (myself, my brother, and one other), though some of the others will if necessary (my only restriction is that I will not burn Qadira based adventures).
For me, I DM because one, in my group, I was the person who was pushing really hard for everyone to start playing Pathfinder in general, Pathfinder Society specifically. I felt that since I was the one trying to get it started, I might as well take the hit and burn mods so that everyone can get into it. The second reason is that I feel like I am, honestly, not a very good DM; by running scenarios with my friends, I feel like I'm getting better at things such as improvising and preparing.
I really would like to see some DM rewards, but even if there aren't any, I still wouldn't mind burning adventures. I'm probably in the minority in that, though.
Sect,
Thank you for your comments. I wish that more players would be willing to take the hit for the benefit of others like you do. GMing a table of your friends is the best way to get your feet wet and work the rough edges off your GM skills. It also makes you a better player, too.
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I've only burned two mods, though more are in the future for me. Our group has three DMs who are more willing to burn mods (myself, my brother, and one other), though some of the others will if necessary (my only restriction is that I will not burn Qadira based adventures).
This is a good method for sharing GMing. It reminds me of how many groups (including my own) have players with their favoured settings. I'm the Pathfinder GM, Fox runs his Lost Arcanis campaign, Nic runs his 4E game, etc. That way, we all get to play a few different campaigns, GMs get to show off their favoured setting, but don't burn out, because they get a chance to play too. Sharing the GMing duties within Pathfinder Society based on likely factions is a cool idea.
For me, I DM because one, in my group, I was the person who was pushing really hard for everyone to start playing Pathfinder in general, Pathfinder Society specifically. I felt that since I was the one trying to get it started, I might as well take the hit and burn mods so that everyone can get into it.
I had to hard sell the Runelords Adventure Path when it was first released, because back then, not much setting info was available, and my players were already playing other campaigns. But once they started, they were hooked!
The second reason is that I feel like I am, honestly, not a very good DM; by running scenarios with my friends, I feel like I'm getting better at things such as improvising and preparing.
Initially, I felt a bit daunted by the idea of GMing for conventions, but I was so convinced that Paizo were on a winner by continuing 3.5 with Pathfinder that I wanted to support the effort in any way possible. The retirement of Living Greyhawk, and changes within Living Arcanis, seemed the perfect opportunity to establish a new Pathfinder campaign in the local con scene. So I playtested the scenarios with my home group first, and found GMing at conventions wasn't much different. If you're prepared, you'll do fine.
I wish that more players would be willing to take the hit for the benefit of others like you do. GMing a table of your friends is the best way to get your feet wet and work the rough edges off your GM skills. It also makes you a better player, too.
I have to agree with Doug Doug. As a player, I tend to play my favourite races/classes over and over, so I realised I had large gaps in my rules knowledge, strategies etc. GMing scenarios really helps to bring various rules and situations to your attention that you might otherwise avoid or let other characters deal with the detail. This broadened awareness really helps when you come around to creating/playing your next character.
I really would like to see some DM rewards, but even if there aren't any, I still wouldn't mind burning adventures. I'm probably in the minority in that, though.
You might be in the minority, but you're in good company! ;-)
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I didn't want to threadjack the GM's Reward discussion, so:
I'm curious, how many scenarios has everyone actually eaten? Is there anyone posting here who has had to eat every scenario? If so, when will you ever get to play if no one in your group ever shoulders the GM's mantle?
My local group has 15 Player/GMs who each agree to eat one scenario for the group, thus easing the overall responsibility. In order to get things rolling and prep in time for conventions I have eaten three scenarios. That's not really so bad, so I'm not going to throw a fit if I don't get full gold, XP, PA & access each time I make the sacrifice.
How many have you guys eaten and how far up-to-date are you with the release schedule?
In Michigan Doug Doug is the Man Man. Thanks for the hard work and doing way more than you should.
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In Michigan Doug Doug is the Man Man. Thanks for the hard work and doing way more than you should.
Indeed, it seems that's the case. I thought I'd GMed a fair number of sessions, but then I saw how many Doug Doug had reported in the Query: How are the Factions working out?thread - Impressive!