Greater Weapon Finesse?


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Greater Weapon Finesse
Choose one type of weapon for which you have already selected the Weapon Focus feat. You may now use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls for that type of weapon. If you carry a shield, its armor check penalty applies to your attack rolls.

Prerequisites
Proficiency with selected weapon, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus with selected weapon, fighter level 6th

Special
You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of weapon.

A fighter may select Greater Weapon Finesse as one of his fighter bonus feats.


Berselius wrote:

Greater Weapon Finesse

Choose one type of weapon for which you have already selected the Weapon Focus feat. You may now use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls for that type of weapon. If you carry a shield, its armor check penalty applies to your attack rolls.

Prerequisites
Proficiency with selected weapon, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus with selected weapon, fighter level 6th

Special
You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of weapon.

A fighter may select Greater Weapon Finesse as one of his fighter bonus feats.

Whats the point of posting this random feat?

I dont get what it is suppose to do.


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Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

Whats the point of posting this random feat?

I dont get what it is suppose to do.

I think it lets you use weapon finesse with ANY weapon you have Weapon Focus with - instead of just weapons that call out they can be finessed.

Dark Archive

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I've seen an Epic feat ("Epic Weapon Finesse" - IIRC it's in Ascension: Immmortals' Handbook from Mongoose) that lets you use your Dex mod for damage with one melee weapon. Pre-reqs Weapon Finesse and Weapon Focus. Greater Weapon Finesse seems to be a decent one for higher level Dex-based fighters.


Sorry Hexen. Was tired and didn't think to post an explination. I hope I posted this idea in the right forum. This is the Playtest Pathfinder board as far as I'm assuming and I assume that ideas for Pathfinder (such as new ideas for feats [such as the feat above]) would be acceptable. My apologies if this is in the wrong spot.

On a related note, does anyone else think this is a good idea? This way a player with a Dex score that's higher than his or hers Str score can use his longsword, spear, etc etc much more effectively. Does this feat need improvement? Please, share ideas. ^+^


OK I get it now. Seems too expensive for too little. I would remove the fighter level requirement as there are plenty of other classes that would love this feat, such as the Swashbuckler. Personally, even the weapon finesse is too much for this feat. Sense it is such a horrificly specific feat, a base attack bonus of +3 and weapon focus in the feat should be all that is needed.

Liberty's Edge

actually i let in my tables those who have Weapon Finess to use with dex any weapon they HAVE the proficiency... if he is a swashbuckler and is quick using the rapier its quite logical that he would be good using also the dagger

already dextrous fighters and characters need "agile maneuvers", "weapon finesse" and "Defensve maneuvers" to have a chance in a world of strenght combatants without considering the myriad other feats to make weapons a bit more useful against high level monsters :S

usually taking dextrous characters is sub-optimal because while they can not be hurt often they don't make alot of damage either... so Itryto level the camp a bit...


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I'd be more interested in something like:

Finesse Cut
Prereq: Weapon finesse, BAB +4(-ish)
Benefit: With a light weapon, rapier, whip, or spiked chain made for a creature of your size category, you may use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on damage rolls. If you carry a shield, its armor check penalty applies to your damage rolls.
Special: A fighter may select Finesse Cut as one of his fighter bonus feats.

Edit: a bit on rationale
I'm not seeing too many of my finesse-weapon players wanting to swap in a heavier weapon for their lighter ones. But I am seeing them falling behind in damage done.
If 4e did anything right, I think it was allowing non-Strength stats to add to damage rolls, including using Dex for ranged attacks.


Well said Bill Dunn. I was just thinking of posting something along the lines of what you wrote.

Finesse characters can usually keep up on attack rolls, but since the weapons that are used with Weapon Finesse have such small damage dice to begin with (1d4, 1d6, etc), letting such a character get a little more mileage out of their dexterity score. Damage scores VERY quickly drop into dismal levels compared to Strength based warriors at mid levels.

Not every Finesse warrior is going to take the Duelist PrC to compensate for this lack. Right now, I think most such characters almost have to take that PrC just to stay competitive.

Just my 2cp.


And re: Appropriateness,
NO, this sub-forum is for playtest reports(!), i.e. feedback from actual games you are running w/ the Beta rules.

This suggestion would belong in the Feats (& Skills) sub-forum.
It should be moved there by the BBS moderator....

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